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Headfoot

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Of course any data which show AMD in a bad light must be made up, right?

Actually this test shows data much more similar to pclab than game.gpu:

gamer's nexus cpu bench

Results notwithstanding, that guy doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about. He talks about how FO4 needed a different engine from older Bethesda games... except its pretty obvious they have a different engine.

Sure its the same base licensed tech but its very clearly upgraded and not the same engine. Graphics are miles better. (Go reinstall vanilla FO3 if you need convincing). 6 cores and hyperthreaded CPUs see significant scaling (in all CPU reviews ive seen so far), whereas Skyrim did not scale over 2 threads ever. It's not a rewrite, but its a huge upgrade over what they had even in Skyrim.

Also Gamer Nexus doesn't even test with Fiji chips. They just leave them out which leaves a pretty glaring hole in the reviews.
 

Face2Face

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Thus far my overclocked GTX 780 is doing alright @ 1440p. I haven't been to
Diamond city
yet, so that could all change?

I'm playing the game @ 1440p with TXAA and High presets, with Textures set to Ultra and God rays set to low. Everything else is maxed. I'm mostly around the 55-60 FPS mark, with some drops to mid 40's. My CPU hasn't been a bottleneck at all thus far.

Here's a video of the performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYRpOfZlG8&feature=youtu.be
 

Headfoot

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I found my CPU gets pegged once im in the city proper with all of its object density. 1080p Ultra w/ Godrays @ High on 2500k @ 4.5ghz w/ r9 290 @ 1100 core and I am CPU limited. I see my CPU peg to 99% and see some frame rate drops into the 40's from locked at 60 otherwise. GPU utilization will ocassionally spike to 100% for a moment, but I never see it peg at 100% for any long period of time. Mostly its floating between 40-80%.
 

tviceman

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Estimated 1.2 million PC copies sold thus far. Pretty damn great for PC considering it's a mutli-platform release. I'll get the GOTY edition when it's cheaper, has plenty of excellent mods, and several bug-fixing patches implemented.
 
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MBrown

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Thus far my overclocked GTX 780 is doing alright @ 1440p. I haven't been to
Diamond city
yet, so that could all change?

I'm playing the game @ 1440p with TXAA and High presets, with Textures set to Ultra and God rays set to low. Everything else is maxed. I'm mostly around the 55-60 FPS mark, with some drops to mid 40's. My CPU hasn't been a bottleneck at all thus far.

Here's a video of the performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYRpOfZlG8&feature=youtu.be

This is about what I was getting but it didn't feel smooth to me.
 

tential

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I think Creation engine still uses Havok for physics, not physx.

my 2c, I'm playing with 30-50 fps on an i7 920/hd 7850. 1080p, FXAA, high textures, low godrays, rest medium.

honestly, for a gameworks title, I expected faaaaaaaar worse, but it's very much playable.

Ya but it sucks that we now have to see which gpu vendor is behind which game.... But I mean if you're getting that performance on that rig then that's not bad at all for a launch gameworks title....
Of course any data which show AMD in a bad light must be made up, right?

Actually this test shows data much more similar to pclab than game.gpu:

gamer's nexus cpu bench
Or, can it just be that this game is a typical Bethesda game and that's why results are all over the place from everyone benching the game?

I'm not happy with the launch performance but as with a lot of games I don't want o draw my own personal opinion on the game for a couple of months. I know I'll revisit this game with patches/mods to make it look nice and I'll love it and completely forget about the performance at launch/bugs.
Games at launch are basically in open beta stage anyway.
 

therealnickdanger

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It sounds like there are some inefficiencies in how the game streams textures that are the primary cause of frame rate drops and stutters on PS4/XBone. Several comparisons using stock hard drives vs SSDs have all but eliminated most of the drops affecting the Xbone version, but there's still some work to be done.

It's possible (likely) that this also affects the PC version to some extent, albeit lesser. Most people only test load times of game levels when testing the impact of SSDs on gaming, but I've noticed a difference in minimum and average frame rates in some games by moving them between HDD and SSD. My primary disk is an SSD, but most of my Steam library is on a 2TB HDD.

But then, it's also an open-world game, which is by nature highly volatile when it comes to scene complexity. Even if you and I are had the same exact PC and were standing in the same spot, we could be getting entirely different frame rates based upon what direction we're looking - even by a couple degrees.
 

ShintaiDK

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I found my CPU gets pegged once im in the city proper with all of its object density. 1080p Ultra w/ Godrays @ High on 2500k @ 4.5ghz w/ r9 290 @ 1100 core and I am CPU limited. I see my CPU peg to 99% and see some frame rate drops into the 40's from locked at 60 otherwise. GPU utilization will ocassionally spike to 100% for a moment, but I never see it peg at 100% for any long period of time. Mostly its floating between 40-80%.

Time for Skylake?

1440p ultra here. And my CPU does work quite harder than the GPU as well. Good thing the TS15A can run it silent at max speed.

Everyone is playing FO4 on steam. Quite a winner for the game of the year.
 
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Zanovar

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Time for Skylake?

1440p ultra here. And my CPU does work quite harder than the GPU as well. Good thing the TS15A can run it silent at max speed.

Everyone is playing FO4 on steam. Quite a winner for the game of the year.

Bolloks game of the year has been and gone*winks*.
 

boozzer

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don't understand why few posters keep on bring up sales numbers. didn't skyrim sell almost 10 mil copies in it's lifetime? fo4 shouldn't be that much off.

that still doesn't excuse it's craptastic graphics and performance.
 

RussianSensation

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Quite a winner for the game of the year.

April 1st, 2016 is still months away. Games that took > 5 years to develop that cannot even get 10/10 in any one area (sound, graphics, physics, animations, story line, character development, stability, UI, controls, dialogue, RPG choices that matter, fetch/side-quests that are meaningful, etc.) should not really be a contender for GOTY imo.



4.8 / 10 average user reviews. I am not aware of any PC game which has gotten GOTY with scores this horrendous. This may be the most overhyped game of 2015 on AT forums but over at Russian forums and elsewhere, it's one of the biggest disappointments of 2015 given the hype.

Steam has over 125M members and the game sold just 1.2M providing just less than 1% market penetration. That means most PC gamers didn't find it worthwhile to buy this game day 1, are either pirating it or waiting for months/year(s) to get it when it's fixed and modded because the developer couldn't get the basics right.

Since Steam is a requirement for this title, that's a pretty epic flop for one of the most overhyped games that has legions of fans, much bigger fanbase than The Witcher series. Meanwhile, BO3 is already at nearly 9 million copies and $550M in revenue and the install-base of consoles is minuscule compared to >125M Steam gamers and ~330M core PC gamers worldwide.

Performance so atrocious that with graphics well below Crysis / Warhead levels, the game runs like a turd on a 290X/970 level of hardware, dropping well below 60 fps but it's impossible to explain how such poor performance is even remotely justifiable given the primitive graphics. And no, throwing NV-lighting model on a game that looks like a 2007-2008 title doesn't suddenly make it a 2015 game.

No worries then, Skylake and 980Ti to the rescue, only to be faced with Core i5 Skylake bottlenecking and 980Ti micro-stuttering (4:40-4:50). All of this would be forgiven if the game had the best graphics of 2015, and was rock solid with no bugs/glitches. And yet, it has a completely buggy texture cache system that ensures terrible performance on consoles that requires an HDD/SSD upgrade, despite graphics that are nowhere near what the best XB1/PS4 games have to offer.

The only way FO4 gets GOTY over Bloodborne, MGS V, GTA V (PC), TW3, SC2: Legacy of the Void, from anyone is if Bethesda bribes the publication. Let's not even discount some other sleepers like Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition, Pillars of Eternity, Ori and the Blind Forest.

GOTY isn't a game that you liked the most in 2015, but a game that accomplishes the most for its genre, stands out the most against all competition in that area in its genre and is the most well-rounded game from all areas overall -- it sets an example for future games for both its respective genre and otherwise. From that perspective, FO4 isn't even a contender for the top 3 of 2015.

don't understand why few posters keep on bring up sales numbers. didn't skyrim sell almost 10 mil copies in it's lifetime? fo4 shouldn't be that much off.

that still doesn't excuse it's craptastic graphics and performance.

Skyrim sold almost 23M copies to date. However, Fallout 3 was a 2008 game so Bethesda had 7 years to make FO4. Skyrim came out in 2011 or 4 years ago.

For a studio with that much $$$, what they released on the eve of 2016 is inexcusable. Of course if this had one of the most complex and emotionally involving stories with deep character development, then it would be more justifiable but it cannot achieve that either.



 
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jpiniero

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1.2M at launch would pretty much guarantee it'd be the best selling PC game this year by far. And yes there are going to be bugs and performance issues. It's Bethesda after all. But, hey Fallout.
 

SPBHM

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the game seems to be more stable, with less bugs than Fallout 3 and Skyrim at launch

I think visually it looks fine, a lot nicer colors and lighting compared to Fallout 3/NV, and the character animations are much better than all their other games

but, considering how successful the previous games were I would have expected a lot more investment in making a new/better engine.

I'm enjoying it, but I hope Witcher 3 beats it for all the GOTY stuff
 

Red Hawk

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Steam has over 125M members and the game sold just 1.2M providing just less than 1% market penetration. That means most PC gamers didn't find it worthwhile to buy this game day 1, are either pirating it or waiting for months/year(s) to get it when it's fixed and modded because the developer couldn't get the basics right.

Since Steam is a requirement for this title, that's a pretty epic flop for one of the most overhyped games that has legions of fans, much bigger fanbase than The Witcher series. Meanwhile, BO3 is already at nearly 9 million copies and $550M in revenue and the install-base of consoles is minuscule compared to >125M Steam gamers and ~330M core PC gamers worldwide.

1.2 million in sales on PC alone...is really nothing to sneeze at. And comparing FO4's PC sales to Black Ops 3's total sales across all platforms is seriously unfair. It's almost as if you're purposefully trying to spread misinformation because you don't like Fallout 4 for its technical shortcomings.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the market for "core games" on PC is actually bigger than the core game demographic on consoles. If you actually believe that, I have a chicken farm on Saturn I'd like to sell to you.

And I've long come to put no value in Metacritic user reviews. Users tend to massively overreact to perceived flaws, creating multiple dupe accounts just so they can "review bomb" a game with 0s and drag the score down. There's no sense of objectivity to user reviews, just petulance.
 

ocre

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1.2 million in sales on PC alone...is really nothing to sneeze at. And comparing FO4's PC sales to Black Ops 3's total sales across all platforms is seriously unfair. It's almost as if you're purposefully trying to spread misinformation because you don't like Fallout 4 for its technical shortcomings.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the market for "core games" on PC is actually bigger than the core game demographic on consoles. If you actually believe that, I have a chicken farm on Saturn I'd like to sell to you.

And I've long come to put no value in Metacritic user reviews. Users tend to massively overreact to perceived flaws, creating multiple dupe accounts just so they can "review bomb" a game with 0s and drag the score down. There's no sense of objectivity to user reviews, just petulance.
Might have something to do with nvidia God rays
 

kami

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I found my CPU gets pegged once im in the city proper with all of its object density. 1080p Ultra w/ Godrays @ High on 2500k @ 4.5ghz w/ r9 290 @ 1100 core and I am CPU limited. I see my CPU peg to 99% and see some frame rate drops into the 40's from locked at 60 otherwise. GPU utilization will ocassionally spike to 100% for a moment, but I never see it peg at 100% for any long period of time. Mostly its floating between 40-80%.

Try your god rays at low. No real perceptible difference but you get more frames.

My CPU never seems to go above 40% utilization or so... wonder if that's because the game only utilizes 4 threads? (your i5 vs. my i7). In some areas around Diamond City I can dip into the 40-50fps range (granted I have my ugrids set to 9 which halves my performance) and the neither CPU or GPU is close to maxed out.

This is an example of a scene that lowers my FPS: http://i.imgur.com/vi4hogq.jpg

BTW, make sure you give Dogmeat some accessories http://i.imgur.com/kfKaxau.jpg

Technical stuff aside, this game is a blast. I am about 16 hours in now (can't put it down) and have only run into one bug that made me have to reload (astonishing for Bethesda ). I've found so many interesting quests wandering around. And the gun gameplay is leaps and bounds above FO3. Especially a fan of the energy weapons. But good god we really need the texture and static mesh improvement mods for some of this stuff.
 

boozzer

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well, FO3 had sales in the 5 mil range. this should be about the same. I don't expect skyrim numbers though. I really didn't expect it to be 23m, I only remember reading gaming news about it sold over 10 mil copies.
 

IllogicalGlory

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Time for Skylake?

1440p ultra here. And my CPU does work quite harder than the GPU as well. Good thing the TS15A can run it silent at max speed.

Everyone is playing FO4 on steam. Quite a winner for the game of the year.
It's got a red user score on metacritic and "mostly positive" on Steam. That's not getting game of the year. Not when the Witcher 3 has an 8.9 and 94% on metacritic and steam respectively.
 
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5150Joker

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1.2 million in sales on PC alone...is really nothing to sneeze at. And comparing FO4's PC sales to Black Ops 3's total sales across all platforms is seriously unfair. It's almost as if you're purposefully trying to spread misinformation because you don't like Fallout 4 for its technical shortcomings.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking the market for "core games" on PC is actually bigger than the core game demographic on consoles. If you actually believe that, I have a chicken farm on Saturn I'd like to sell to you.

And I've long come to put no value in Metacritic user reviews. Users tend to massively overreact to perceived flaws, creating multiple dupe accounts just so they can "review bomb" a game with 0s and drag the score down. There's no sense of objectivity to user reviews, just petulance.

Just ignore him, he'll always down play any game he perceives as giving a disadvantage to AMD. 1.2 M copies active on the PC is phenomenal for the FIRST day, only someone with an agenda would claim otherwise.

Fallout 4 officially launched at midnight, but it's already breaking records. Hitting a peak of 390,000 players a little over an hour ago, it has officially bested Grand Theft Auto 5 as the record holder of most concurrent players on Steam, according to Steam Charts.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/10/9705788/fallout-4-steam-concurrent-users-record

"Steam may provide a boost to Fallout 4's sales that you wouldn't otherwise normally see this early in the console cycle," Bernbeck says. Indeed, the game is already breaking records on Steam, less than a day into being on sale. He also notes that strong mod support makes the PC an especially ideal platform for the game and may help pull in even more players.

http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/10/9673936/elder-scrolls-bigger-than-fallout-sales-data-report
 
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SimianR

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It seems like a fun game so far. The Graphics are a tad disappointing for a 2015 game. I was hoping for a bigger jump between Fallout3 / New Vegas and this. The use of a greater color palette is nice though. Overall, the game does seem a bit over hyped, but Fallout 3 and New Vegas were both great games so of course this was going to sell like hotcakes. Seems to be running fine on my R9 290 - just turned god rays to low.
 

spat55

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It'll be fine I'll just turn off the god rays and tessilation low along with AMD driver updates it'll be okay.
 

4K_shmoorK

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April 1st, 2016 is still months away. Games that took > 5 years to develop that cannot even get 10/10 in any one area (sound, graphics, physics, animations, story line, character development, stability, UI, controls, dialogue, RPG choices that matter, fetch/side-quests that are meaningful, etc.) should not really be a contender for GOTY imo.



4.8 / 10 average user reviews. I am not aware of any PC game which has gotten GOTY with scores this horrendous. This may be the most overhyped game of 2015 on AT forums but over at Russian forums and elsewhere, it's one of the biggest disappointments of 2015 given the hype.

Steam has over 125M members and the game sold just 1.2M providing just less than 1% market penetration. That means most PC gamers didn't find it worthwhile to buy this game day 1, are either pirating it or waiting for months/year(s) to get it when it's fixed and modded because the developer couldn't get the basics right.

Since Steam is a requirement for this title, that's a pretty epic flop for one of the most overhyped games that has legions of fans, much bigger fanbase than The Witcher series. Meanwhile, BO3 is already at nearly 9 million copies and $550M in revenue and the install-base of consoles is minuscule compared to >125M Steam gamers and ~330M core PC gamers worldwide.

Performance so atrocious that with graphics well below Crysis / Warhead levels, the game runs like a turd on a 290X/970 level of hardware, dropping well below 60 fps but it's impossible to explain how such poor performance is even remotely justifiable given the primitive graphics. And no, throwing NV-lighting model on a game that looks like a 2007-2008 title doesn't suddenly make it a 2015 game.

No worries then, Skylake and 980Ti to the rescue, only to be faced with Core i5 Skylake bottlenecking and 980Ti micro-stuttering (4:40-4:50). All of this would be forgiven if the game had the best graphics of 2015, and was rock solid with no bugs/glitches. And yet, it has a completely buggy texture cache system that ensures terrible performance on consoles that requires an HDD/SSD upgrade, despite graphics that are nowhere near what the best XB1/PS4 games have to offer.

The only way FO4 gets GOTY over Bloodborne, MGS V, GTA V (PC), TW3, SC2: Legacy of the Void, from anyone is if Bethesda bribes the publication. Let's not even discount some other sleepers like Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition, Pillars of Eternity, Ori and the Blind Forest.

GOTY isn't a game that you liked the most in 2015, but a game that accomplishes the most for its genre, stands out the most against all competition in that area in its genre and is the most well-rounded game from all areas overall -- it sets an example for future games for both its respective genre and otherwise. From that perspective, FO4 isn't even a contender for the top 3 of 2015.



Skyrim sold almost 23M copies to date. However, Fallout 3 was a 2008 game so Bethesda had 7 years to make FO4. Skyrim came out in 2011 or 4 years ago.

Sounds like you have not played the game and are basing your opinion on performance reviews.

The Witcher 3 is not the end all be all for modern western RPGs. The game was good, fallout is also good. Neither is fantastic, both definitely worth playing.

Metacritic is meaningless, you can't measure the merits of a title based on percentage points. It may not be your style of game but...

Poor optimization or performance != poor gameplay

Everyone I've talked to absolutely loves the game, including quite a few people on this forum
 
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