[PCGH.de] Fallout 4 Benchmark

[ZGR]

I find the graphics to appear far too 'clean' and vibrant in many areas. Kinda reminiscent of the Star Wars prequels appearing too clean and fake.

My i5 has 1 core being hammered at 100% at times on Ultra. I wonder if having a larger L3 cache would help. I'm surprised I need more single threaded performance on a game that is not an RTS.

The R9 290 is running the game quite well. I do notice dips in the upper 40's at times on ultra. I have not tinkered with settings other than noticing FXAA looks like poop compared to the superior TAA. I wonder if my gpu is putting additional driver overhead on my CPU compared to say a GTX 970. I wonder if an equivelent nvidia card would partially alleviate the CPU bottleneck.

edit: lowered god rays to low and shadow distance to medium. Fixed fps drops and lowered cpu usage!

 

[4K_shmoorK]

edit: lowered god rays to low and shadow distance to medium. Fixed fps drops and lowered cpu usage!

Godrays are a sham. Absolutely murdered performance in Far Cry 4, same here.

GameWorks really needs to die or clean up its act.

Are there any benchmarks out there that compare AMD vs Nvidia performance with HBAO+? That is the only Nvidia specific setting I really enjoy, looks great in every title I've tried it with.

 

[Face2Face]

I'm eagerly awaiting some type of High res texture pack from the modding community or Bethesda themselves... Textures in this game are decent on some things but really bad on others. Regardless, I'm still enjoying the game.

This looks good:

Then you see this:

 

[Headfoot]

First hour into the game the graphics are unimpressive, bland, even annoying. I thought this is not conducive to exploring an open world game and can see how it can leave a bad first impression. This possibly impacting many of the user reviews on metacritic. But another 2 or 3 hours into it I felt almost in a different game. Quite like the look of it after the initial stages. Wasteland very nicely done and the graphics imo complement it quite well. Still a few weak points here and there, ie, dead enemies look like comic book sketches after stripped from their gear, not really graphics related, just shoddy work from Bethesda in fleshing out shapes and details. Overall love the game so far. Anyone with opinions on it based on screenshots can be very misled.. my 2c.

agreed. They obviously increased object density as you start getting into the cities. The world feels a lot more believable than FO3 because there is more stuff and less blank empty space in the cities. It's not going to win best graphics of 2015 awards or anything, but its substantially better than everything else they've released. The lighting alone is a huge step up from previous games. The engine is threaded beyond 2 threads. Asset quality is better but im not super worried because in a few months we'll have static mesh upgrade mods, texture upgrade mods, face mods, etc. The stuff you can't change nearly as easily is the lighting model and other super low level stuff. And no mod can make the game more threaded than it comes as.

All I really wanted was better threading and lighting and I got it. So I'm happy. The rest will fill in with mods just like it did with Skyrim

 

[Erenhardt]

Red Team members (Like you) should try and play the game instead of making baseless claims

Also you should use your Red Team influence to get your favourite company to work on their drivers.

:thumbsdown:

One doesn't need to play the game to see if graphics are up to standards.
I will try it this weekend but they will not get the full price out of me, I may brag it not a sale if the gameplay catches me. But from what I've heard, not a penny for them is the most possible outcome.

As to second part of you flame bait: Why make a code and then, supplement a driver that executes its own optimized shader path. In the end, supplied in game library is mostly replaced with optimized driver path and unused.

 

[tential]

Sure is funny how crazy people are going over performance. While performance is something highly important, what about the gameplay? If the game is quite good, performance issues are forgivable to a point, though I do hate Gameworks.

It's a video card forum. If you want to talk about the game itself head over to the fallout 4 discussion in the pc gaming section.

I think people in this thread are confusing graphics and video card related discussion with game play this is not the game play thread.

 

[Final8ty]

It's a video card forum. If you want to talk about the game itself head over to the fallout 4 discussion in the pc gaming section.

I think people in this thread are confusing graphics and video card related discussion with game play this is not the game play thread.

+1

 

[tential]

I'm eagerly awaiting some type of High res texture pack from the modding community or Bethesda themselves... Textures in this game are decent on some things but really bad on others. Regardless, I'm still enjoying the game.

This looks good:

Then you see this:

This explains my feels completely when looking at the game (which again why should people be forced to buy a game to chime in on graphics...)
There are parts that look good and parts that look meh.
I will not pay for a half finished game. I'll wait for the texture pack and other stuff before paying.

 

[tential]

Godrays are a sham. Absolutely murdered performance in Far Cry 4, same here.

GameWorks really needs to die or clean up its act.

Are there any benchmarks out there that compare AMD vs Nvidia performance with HBAO+? That is the only Nvidia specific setting I really enjoy, looks great in every title I've tried it with.

Gameworks has way too much support among nvidia core consumers to go away.
It's rarely well implemented from a technical standpoint I'm tired of the nvidia/amd back and forth which has led to a regression in graphics improvement.

Make the whole practice illegal, nvidia will find another way to make money, but this just ruins it for all gamers, nvidia and amd.
Sadly, most consumers treat this like football and are just happy their team wins rather than look at the big picture.

 

[DooKey]

Gameworks has way too much support among nvidia core consumers to go away.
It's rarely well implemented from a technical standpoint I'm tired of the nvidia/amd back and forth which has led to a regression in graphics improvement.

Make the whole practice illegal, nvidia will find another way to make money, but this just ruins it for all gamers, nvidia and amd.
Sadly, most consumers treat this like football and are just happy their team wins rather than look at the big picture.

Graphics improvement is a fail because of the weak consoles for the most part.

As for gameworks I disagree because they can be turned off.

 

[Zanovar]

Gameworks has way too much support among nvidia core consumers to go away.
It's rarely well implemented from a technical standpoint I'm tired of the nvidia/amd back and forth which has led to a regression in graphics improvement.

Make the whole practice illegal, nvidia will find another way to make money, but this just ruins it for all gamers, nvidia and amd.
Sadly, most consumers treat this like football and are just happy their team wins rather than look at the big picture.

Haha.stop being bloody rational.

 

[5150Joker]

Red Team members (Like you) should try and play the game instead of making baseless claims

Also you should use your Red Team influence to get your favourite company to work on their drivers.

AMD sent this update to Brent over at Hard|OCP regarding Fallout 4 drivers:

Also, some AMD driver news, I was able to ask AMD today about upcoming optimizations for Fallout 4, there will be a driver update coming with Fallout 4 optimizations, I can't say what driver it will be, that is under NDA.

If it's NDA, it might be their Crimson drivers, who knows. If I was PR at AMD I'd make sure everyone knew the release date of these drivers so it wouldn't impact sales. But I guess they'd rather waste their PR dollars on Red Team shills who are busy slinging mud at the game and NVIDIA across various forums and boards on the internet.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Gameworks has way too much support among nvidia core consumers to go away.
It's rarely well implemented from a technical standpoint I'm tired of the nvidia/amd back and forth which has led to a regression in graphics improvement.

Make the whole practice illegal, nvidia will find another way to make money, but this just ruins it for all gamers, nvidia and amd.
Sadly, most consumers treat this like football and are just happy their team wins rather than look at the big picture.

Well, I have an AMD card, and I dont feel the game is "ruined" for me in any way. Same with Witcher 3. I have only a HD7770, so I turn down the settings and play the game with the gameworks features off. No big deal.

I dont like gameworks, but honestly the constant hysterial over-reaction about it that somehow manages to be brought into almost every thread is getting very, very tiring. And having the government intervene in game design and telling us what can be put in a game seems like a lot worse solution than gameworks.

 

[iiiankiii]

Lets stop talking about gameplay. I think there's another forum for that. We should focus on the graphics and implementation (or lack thereof).

I'm not really a Fallout fan but figured I'll try it because of the hype. Right away, Fallout 4 is ugly. It's one of the most ugly AAA games that is meant for "next-gen". I can't believe how ugly it is. It lags. The texture looks like garbage. GameWorks helps it lag more. The physics suck. The animation suck. From a technical standpoint, Fallout 4 should be renamed to Failout. The game is really that bad. It's so bad that I'm beginning to believe that it's intentional.

 

[tential]

Well, I have an AMD card, and I dont feel the game is "ruined" for me in any way. Same with Witcher 3. I have only a HD7770, so I turn down the settings and play the game with the gameworks features off. No big deal.

I dont like gameworks, but honestly the constant hysterial over-reaction about it that somehow manages to be brought into almost every thread is getting very, very tiring. And having the government intervene in game design and telling us what can be put in a game seems like a lot worse solution than gameworks.

Well, this is another part of the problem with this discussion.
I never said the game is ruined for you in the post I quoted.
To explain more thororoughly, this GameWorks vs AMD Titles just makes it so we as gamers have to worry about which features are for which vendor title.

This isn't government telling you what you can and can't put into game design, please don't go overboard. This is preventing Video Card Companies from turning game design into a way to make the GPU industry more profitable for them.

If you enjoy the world where it's all dependent on which title gets access with which GPU vendor that's great!

I prefer the world where people just make games.... and GPU vendors just make GPUs.

No one is debating whether you can turn down settings to run a game..... as you stated you have only an HD7770. I have no idea as to the power of such a GPU, it's not even on my radar, but that's not my point. The point is, PC gaming is slowly and VERY slowly turning into a 2 console race, which is stupid. It should be PC gamers worrying about games. A LOT of PC gaming enthusiasts identify by GPU vendor... that's insane.... we need to end this team green/team red, and get games about GAMES and not about GPU vendors.

 

[5150Joker]

Well, this is another part of the problem with this discussion.
I never said the game is ruined for you in the post I quoted.
To explain more thororoughly, this GameWorks vs AMD Titles just makes it so we as gamers have to worry about which features are for which vendor title.

This isn't government telling you what you can and can't put into game design, please don't go overboard. This is preventing Video Card Companies from turning game design into a way to make the GPU industry more profitable for them.

If you enjoy the world where it's all dependent on which title gets access with which GPU vendor that's great!

I prefer the world where people just make games.... and GPU vendors just make GPUs.

No one is debating whether you can turn down settings to run a game..... as you stated you have only an HD7770. I have no idea as to the power of such a GPU, it's not even on my radar, but that's not my point. The point is, PC gaming is slowly and VERY slowly turning into a 2 console race, which is stupid. It should be PC gamers worrying about games. A LOT of PC gaming enthusiasts identify by GPU vendor... that's insane.... we need to end this team green/team red, and get games about GAMES and not about GPU vendors.

Your rant is based on false assumptions that GameWorks is meant to stifle AMD when in fact it just adds additional effects for NVIDIA customers to take advantage of and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't care if AMD had their own GW program but they don't because they can't. AMD lacks resources and has little market share left so now they've resorted to mud slinging and posting b.s. on forums about GW--it's a sign of desperation. AMD should instead focus its resources on better driver development and developer outreach, it would work out much better for them.

Considering that the market is 80%+ NVIDIA, I don't see any fragmentation issues here, the vast majority are getting what they want, that's why you see support for GW and other proprietary programs from NVIDIA owners and an increasing amount of developers, because retention is high with NVIDIA customers. This isn't really a two way race and hasn't been for a long time, the PC discrete market is NVIDIAs.

 

[littleg]

Your rant is based on false assumptions that GameWorks is meant to stifle AMD when in fact it just adds additional effects for NVIDIA customers to take advantage of

Stop it man, you're killing me

 

[tential]

"AMD" now they've resorted to mud slinging and posting b.s. on forums about GW--it's a sign of desperation. AMD should instead focus its resources on better driver development and developer outreach, it would work out much better for them.

Please, if you don't have a quote for AMD paying shills and Mudslinging on forums, then stop talking about it.
I'll give you a chance to substantiate this claim then I'll just add you to my ignore list since I don't like it when people start these Nvidia vs AMD bait fights.

Your rant is based on false assumptions that GameWorks is meant to stifle AMD

No, it's not.

I wouldn't care if AMD had their own GW program

I would care... that's what my whole post was about. Games shouldn't be AMD vs Nvidia. They should be games. Period. If you prefer Games being about AMD and Nvidia, that's fine, that's your preference. I prefer games to be devs making games. And GPU vendors to be making the best GPUs.

 

[5150Joker]

Please, if you don't have a quote for AMD paying shills and Mudslinging on forums, then stop talking about it.
I'll give you a chance to substantiate this claim then I'll just add you to my ignore list since I don't like it when people start these Nvidia vs AMD bait fights.

No, it's not.

I would care... that's what my whole post was about. Games shouldn't be AMD vs Nvidia. They should be games. Period. If you prefer Games being about AMD and Nvidia, that's fine, that's your preference. I prefer games to be devs making games. And GPU vendors to be making the best GPUs.

Scroll up to see the proof but I can't say specifically since call outs are against AT rules. And while you may want some utopia where AMD/NV are 50/50 and games are developed for the PC in a generic fashion, that reality doesn't exist. Besides, like I said, with the market so largely in favor of NVIDIA, what you want is already there since GW caters to 8/10 PC gamers.

 

[ocre]

If you really want to know how I am running the game and aren't just trying to pry, I'm using DSR@1440p on my 60Hz TV. Singleplayer RPGs do not see any benefit from 144Hz and no need for more than 60 FPS. I get that the game has issues over 60 FPS too, no need to remind.

Please don't try to invoke a response. If you want the discussion to take a negative turn, best take it elsewhere.

The first time i had the terminal stuck bug, i tabbed out to google. My solution was adding fallout4.exe to rivatuner and set the frame cap to 88fps (just randomly picked that). I have had no other issues.

SO, i dont think the limit is 60fps. My son runs in windowed mode without rivatuner. My desktop is 100hz (custom).
He doesnt seem to have issues either.

I do know all kinds of weird stuff starts happening at high frame rates though. I didnt change the ini or do anything fancy and it runs fine at 88fps cap. I havent had any weird issues.

As far as microsutter, I havent noticed any thing like that. Its really smooth. Its kind of strange to read some of this stuff cause i feel the game really runs well. Frame rates and smoothness are fine.
Other than the one glitch at the terminal, its ran well. No crashes!!
It is far from terrible. Actually, i have been playing it a lot. Its been pleasant

 

[Red Hawk]

Your rant is based on false assumptions that GameWorks is meant to stifle AMD when in fact it just adds additional effects for NVIDIA customers to take advantage of and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't care if AMD had their own GW program but they don't because they can't. AMD lacks resources and has little market share left so now they've resorted to mud slinging and posting b.s. on forums about GW--it's a sign of desperation. AMD should instead focus its resources on better driver development and developer outreach, it would work out much better for them.

Considering that the market is 80%+ NVIDIA, I don't see any fragmentation issues here, the vast majority are getting what they want, that's why you see support for GW and other proprietary programs from NVIDIA owners and an increasing amount of developers, because retention is high with NVIDIA customers. This isn't really a two way race and hasn't been for a long time, the PC discrete market is NVIDIAs.

So what's your point, the AMD user base is small, therefore you have no problem with developers doing things that ultimately screw over those users? You're a wonderful human being...

 

[sontin]

So now its the fault of the developer that people buying AMD hardware which have a huge architecture flaw with geometry processing?

Its your decision to go with AMD. That doesnt mean that developers have to ignore open standards like DX11 and Tessellation to realise their vision of visual effects.

 

[5150Joker]

So what's your point, the AMD user base is small, therefore you have no problem with developers doing things that ultimately screw over those users? You're a wonderful human being...

God Rays in FO4 doesn't "screw over" anyone. Read the Hard|OCP review, it impacts NV and AMD GPUs nearly equally. However, there are times that GW as a whole may work better on NV GPUs and there is nothing wrong with that as NVIDIA has expended the resources and man power to work with developers to incorporate it. His argument tried to make it sound as if it splits the market in a detrimental fashion when it doesn't nor is it intended to. Ultimately the fault is AMD's for having weak tessellation, poor DX 11 drivers, poor leadership, declining market share and no vision. If the 2/10 guys want it all, they can ditch their AMD products and go NVIDIA like the rest of us and enjoy their hardware or stop whining and direct their complaints to AMD for being an impotent competitor.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

But I guess they'd rather waste their PR dollars on Red Team shills who are busy slinging mud at the game and NVIDIA across various forums and boards on the internet.

So anyone that criticizes the game here is part of the Red Team? Way to make assumptions.

 

[5150Joker]

So anyone that criticizes the game here is part of the Red Team? Way to make assumptions.

Did I say anyone? I said specifically that there are AMD shills that have done it. Then there's a good chunk of AMD customers that have bought the b.s. those shills have fed them. Don't like God Rays? Set it to low and problem solved. I know I know, that would be too easy. I'd go into more detail but this forum isn't conducive to those kinds of discussions as the moderators here are extremely picky about that sorta thing so I'll stop here.