ok i am stuck with the 810 motherboard and the intel 3d chip sucks getting 40 fps in quake 3 at the lowest setting its time for an upgrade. ok since i am stuck with pci i have 2 options the voodoo5 pci or the radeon le pci version (which was to come out thic month). i clearly understand that the voodoo 5 is better and faster but less support. but you can argue that the 3dfx drivers are better then the ati ones. also wondering how the radeon will perform in pci caz i know the radeon comes in mac's in pci how dose it perform. caz if it only like 10% slower then the ddr version thats not bad at all with tv out i would go for the radeon. finally the price here in toronto the voodoo5 is still selling for 299 adn the radeon pci will be selling for under 200 so thats 100 more reasons to go radeon. any ways just wondering what the guys with 810 motherboards can get for good 3d performance, btw i have a 800 intel processer...