[PCPER] NVidia G-sync

[Grooveriding]

I think the 650ti requirement or higher is bullcrap. If you haven't noticed, 650ti reference design and higher all have Display Port. Plain 650 reference doesn't. Fermi 5XX/4XX reference cards also don't have DP support.

I doubt it has anything to do with hardware on the video card beyond the card needing to have a display port. Then they've no doubt added vendor lock built into the hardware that is actually needed to run gsync in the monitor along with whatever is in their drivers to make it all work.

 

[wand3r3r]

It looks and sounds interesting. I would like to see it in person before buying to see if and how much of a difference it makes.

 

[toyota]

I think the 650ti requirement or higher is bullcrap. If you haven't noticed, 650ti reference design and higher all have Display Port. Plain 650 reference doesn't. Fermi 5XX/4XX reference cards also don't have DP support.

I doubt it has anything to do with hardware on the video card beyond the card needing to have a display port. Then they've no doubt added vendor lock built into the hardware that is actually needed to run gsync in the monitor along with whatever is in their drivers to make it all work.

who is going to fork out extra money for this on top of regular monitor to play games on a card lower than a gtx650 ti anyway? at 1080 anything slower is not really suitable now and games are only going to get more demanding.

here is a review of the plain gtx650 FROM OVER A YEAR AGO so again why would anyone fool with spending extra for this technogoly if that dont even have money for a gtx650 ti or better? http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/KFA2/GTX_650_EX_OC/32.html

"NVIDIA's new GTX 650 does not offer anywhere near the gaming potential that we've seen from the faster GK104 or GK106 based cards. It is clearly targeted at entry-level users who may or may not play games at all. In our testing, we see performance similar to the last generation GTX 550 Ti. Compared to AMD's HD 7750, the card is a bit faster, but ends up quite a bit behind the HD 7770. KFA² has overclocked their card out of the box, which gives it a 4% performance boost. Gaming performance is lacking in most titles for any serious gaming to take place, but less demanding games like StarCraft 2 or Diablo 3 will run fine on the GTX 650."

 

[Grooveriding]

I don't disagree that below the 650ti the cards are weak. I was just pointing out that it's likely on the video card end the only hardware that is needed is a Display Port connection. Meaning there is nothing actually on the PCB or within the GPU that is enabling this to work apart from the Display Port connection.

I think if they wanted it to, it could work on any video card that has Display Port.. nvidia, AMD or Intel.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

120/144 has nothing to do with it and thats probably why they demonstrated at 60 hz. it will just start out in the 144 hz ASUS because that is probably the type of screen most gamers are interested in.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming


Beginning later this year, NVIDIA G-SYNC will be available as monitor module you can install yourself, or buy pre-installed in one of the best monitors currently available. Next year, G-SYNC monitors will be available on the shelves of your favorite e-tailers and retailers, in a variety of screen sizes and resolutions, eventually scaling all the way up to 3840x2160 (“4K”).


EDIT: it would be great if BrightCandle or a mod could add that nvidia link since it explains a lot

Where did it say they only tested at 60hz? I missed that. Or was it just that their IQ settings kept fps below 60?

 

[bystander36]

I think the 650ti requirement or higher is bullcrap. If you haven't noticed, 650ti reference design and higher all have Display Port. Plain 650 reference doesn't. Fermi 5XX/4XX reference cards also don't have DP support.

I doubt it has anything to do with hardware on the video card beyond the card needing to have a display port. Then they've no doubt added vendor lock built into the hardware that is actually needed to run gsync in the monitor along with whatever is in their drivers to make it all work.

You could be right about the reasoning being the lack of a DP on those cards, but then it still requires a 650ti and up for that reason. So I don't know where the bullcrap is. This tech specifically says Kepler and above, so not supporting Fermi still falls in line with the DP requirement idea. Then again, it could be a CUDA support thing as well, but I don't see why that would matter.

I'm sure in a couple years, AMD will have a similar setup, or flat use the same one, probably having to pay some royalties.

 

[toyota]

Where did it say they only tested at 60hz? I missed that. Or was it just that their IQ settings kept fps below 60?

you can watch the demo video and they used 60hz max http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/18/nvidia-g-sync/

 

[bystander36]

you can watch the demo video and they used 60hz max http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/18/nvidia-g-sync/

If it hit exactly 60hz at times, and no higher, that would suggest it was tested on a 60hz display, but it still could have been a higher refresh rate with a max FPS of 60. It probably was 60hz, but we don't really know.

According to the quote mentioned about how much support they plan to add, it definitely doesn't sound like it will be limited to 120/144hz displays. I think it was just that specific model was easy to get this working retroactively. Perhaps it is related to tech put in place due to Lightboost, that makes those displays possible to fix with an add on kit.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Impressive for sure, how much will it cost me though? :\

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think they really need a couple of things to happen for this to actually take off.

1. 4K monitors to come down in price drastically.
2. Connection standards that support 120hz @ 4k through a single connection

I doubt many people who already have working monitors are going to dump their existing equipment for some 1080p TN turd just to get this. Once we can get a 27"-55" 4K 120hz 1ms GTG monitor with Gsync for $500-$1000 they will sell by the truckload.

Since I highly doubt that will happen for the next 5 years this may not be that big of a seller. It's unfortunate because I truly want one, but it needs to come to market in a size, res, and refresh rate that make it a worthwhile upgrade over a 1080p 120hz monitor I already have.

 

[Erenhardt]

you can watch the demo video and they used 60hz max http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/18/nvidia-g-sync/

Maybe a bit OT, but it reminded me of an ad for displays/TV when you see two side by side and compare to colors/refresh rate/resolution/etc. Or how better you colours could be if you buy a new TV/monitor. WTF? I'm seeing the bloddy thing on my display. which mean it is capable of the same thing the advertised product is doing. If your product is somehow better, I cant see that on my crappy display.

 

[BD2003]

Maybe a bit OT, but it reminded me of an ad for displays/TV when you see two side by side and compare to colors/refresh rate/resolution/etc. Or how better you colours could be if you buy a new TV/monitor. WTF? I'm seeing the bloddy thing on my display. which mean it is capable of the same thing the advertised product is doing. If your product is somehow better, I cant see that on my crappy display.

Yeah, it's pretty pointless to try and demonstrate the difference with in a 30fps streaming video. Maybe a super slo-mo video will get across some of it.

 

[toyota]

its not as good as being in person but the difference is clearly there.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It is pretty easy to see the jitter and tearing, not sure how anyone could miss the difference.

 

[gorcorps]

Seems like pretty solid tech, and it's a good idea. On the surface it seems like the tech really isn't dependent on having an Nvidia card, but it's their tech and they can do what they want with it. We'll have to see how it turns out.

 

[BrightCandle]

Guru3d is reporting that monitors with gsync will come up to 177hz and 4k and timeframe was Q1 2014 (they said 2013 in their article but pretty clear that is a typo).

I suspect it only works over display port, that is by and large the future of PC monitors anyway since it doesn't have the HDMI licencing costs and its presumably possible to do this extended vsync blank signal on that interface.

177hz 4k with gsync, if only I could get that in IPS with lightboost!

 

[exar333]

Guru3d is reporting that monitors with gsync will come up to 177hz and 4k and timeframe was Q1 2014 (they said 2013 in their article but pretty clear that is a typo).

I suspect it only works over display port, that is by and large the future of PC monitors anyway since it doesn't have the HDMI licencing costs and its presumably possible to do this extended vsync blank signal on that interface.

177hz 4k with gsync, if only I could get that in IPS with lightboost!

:awe:

Yeah, if you can get this with IPS, that would be EPIC!

 

[toyota]

Guru3d is reporting that monitors with gsync will come up to 177hz and 4k and timeframe was Q1 2014 (they said 2013 in their article but pretty clear that is a typo).

I suspect it only works over display port, that is by and large the future of PC monitors anyway since it doesn't have the HDMI licencing costs and its presumably possible to do this extended vsync blank signal on that interface.

177hz 4k with gsync, if only I could get that in IPS with lightboost!

and 177 hz is a typo too then.

and your nvidia link in the op is not working but mine still does so use this http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming

 

[Aikouka]

Impressive for sure, how much will it cost me though? :\

They said the official monitors would cost $399. My major complaint is those monitors are only 24". I use 27" monitors right now. There will be mod kits that cost around $150 (I think they actually said $175), but I believe there was a caveat that they're working to reduce that price.

In regard to different monitors, on the NVIDIA page for G-Sync, a NVIDIA representative was stating that he was going to talk to the engineering department about trying to see if mod kits for more monitors was possible. I would be interested in an upgrade kit for my ASUS VG278H for about $150.

 

[5150Joker]

I'll grab G-SYNC once they have a 27" IPS retrofitted with it at 120 hz. Being on a 10 bit IPS right now, I could never downgrade to TN again.

 

[toyota]

I'll grab G-SYNC once they have a 27" IPS retrofitted with it at 120 hz. Being on a 10 bit IPS right now, I could never downgrade to TN again.

um unless I am crazy your gpu can only output 8 bit anyway.

 

[blackened23]

um unless I am crazy your gpu can only output 8 bit anyway.

That's correct - Geforce/Radeon do not support 10 bit color except in D3D which is worthless because nothing uses 10 bit color in D3D. Adobe uses their own specific drivers for 10 bit per channel color which are only available with Quadro and Firepro, hence professional cards for professional monitors. That said, TN panels are 6 bit so the color gamut on IPS panels are still, better. That's aside from the numerous other advantages that IPS has over TN, excepting lightboost refresh rates which are TN exclusive. Lightboost still isn't good enough for me to go back to TN, I can't stand TN. Maybe G-sync can change that, I don't know. I certainly won't use any TN panel for real work or staring at the desktop, that's for DARN sure.

 

[bystander36]

They said the official monitors would cost $399. My major complaint is those monitors are only 24". I use 27" monitors right now. There will be mod kits that cost around $150 (I think they actually said $175), but I believe there was a caveat that they're working to reduce that price.

In regard to different monitors, on the NVIDIA page for G-Sync, a NVIDIA representative was stating that he was going to talk to the engineering department about trying to see if mod kits for more monitors was possible. I would be interested in an upgrade kit for my ASUS VG278H for about $150.

They claim to be putting them in a lot of different monitors by 2014, so I don't think 24" will be your only choice. It is just the first choice.

 

[toyota]

That's correct - Geforce/Radeon do not support 10 bit color except in D3D which is worthless because nothing uses 10 bit color in D3D. Adobe uses their own specific drivers for 10 bit per channel color which are only available with Quadro and Firepro, hence professional cards for professional monitors. That said, TN panels are 6 bit so the color gamut on IPS panels is still, better. That's aside from the numerous other advantages that IPS has over TN, excepting lightboost refresh rates which are TN exclusive.

yeah but he is emphasizing that his screen is 10 bit. plus he had to pay much more for that privilege as his screen goes for a whopping 1000 bucks for something he will never see.

 

[Keysplayr]

who is going to fork out extra money for this on top of regular monitor to play games on a card lower than a gtx650 ti anyway? at 1080 anything slower is not really suitable now and games are only going to get more demanding.

here is a review of the plain gtx650 FROM OVER A YEAR AGO so again why would anyone fool with spending extra for this technogoly if that dont even have money for a gtx650 ti or better? http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/KFA2/GTX_650_EX_OC/32.html

"NVIDIA's new GTX 650 does not offer anywhere near the gaming potential that we've seen from the faster GK104 or GK106 based cards. It is clearly targeted at entry-level users who may or may not play games at all. In our testing, we see performance similar to the last generation GTX 550 Ti. Compared to AMD's HD 7750, the card is a bit faster, but ends up quite a bit behind the HD 7770. KFA² has overclocked their card out of the box, which gives it a 4% performance boost. Gaming performance is lacking in most titles for any serious gaming to take place, but less demanding games like StarCraft 2 or Diablo 3 will run fine on the GTX 650."

Why are you hung up on the GTX 650? There are plenty of people who have faster GPUs than this, so it would be alright for them then?