[PCPER] NVidia G-sync

[Despoiler]

Green reply in the comments as far as prices.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/ar...evolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming

Hi, ASUS has announced that a modded VG248QE sold by a retailer like Newegg or Amazon will have a MSRP of $399.

The VG248QE mod kit is currently estimated to cost $175, though we hope to get that down to $130.

 

[bystander36]

This is a very expensive high-end monitor, so I assume that only people with an expensive high end PC, with a killer CPU and the latest GTX's in SLI, will buy it. So whoever owns this monitor will most likely be able to maintain 144 fps in most of his games and will use the second option. So it really ends up not being that much different than a regular monitor?

Secondly, if whenever that fps threshold is crossed the GPU and monitor will suddenly switch roles as to who is synced with who, wouldn't that cause problems?

As Toyota mentioned, this is a sub $300 monitor. At least the one it is based off of, and they mentioned a kit the purchase for existing users. And also as mentioned, maintaining 144hz is very difficult if not impossible on many modern games.

Now as to the problems, there is already an existing form of v-sync which is very similar now. Adaptive v-sync. Adaptive v-sync keeps v-sync off when you are below your refresh rate, and turns it on when you maintain or beat your refresh rate. They'd just have to create a similar version for G-sync.

 

[sontin]

That's what they said. I'm still wondering what happens when you go above that maximum refresh rate.

You cant go above the maximum refresh rate. It's limited to maximum rate with G-Sync.

 

[toyota]

You cant go above the maximum refresh rate. It's limited to maximum rate with G-Sync.

yes a 60hz monitor is still 60hz max and so on

 

[Mastercommander]

Seems some people are content to ramble boringly about themselves, and I will too: the world is excited to know that I will never buy an IPS monitor

I'll take actual smoothness and actual image quality over perceived quality any day

 

[toyota]

Not for me. Its not susceptible to LOTS of people.

since you always claim you dont see tearing then please look at this video. if you cant see the horrible tearing going on then how can you even see the game? this is the type of tearing that can happen with flickering lights and explosions in games. and what you see in the video is EXACTLY what I saw on the screen. this is the kind of tearing that made me almost throw up in the first FEAR game in some spots with flickering lights and forced me to start using vsync.

and I took this video while using an 144hz ASUS just to also show that tearing can still happen with high refresh rate. in fact this kind of tearing looks almost just as bad as on a 60hz screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T6chyW2Vo

or just look here at the 10 minute mark and see tearing vs having the new g-sync on. if you cant see that tearing from just looking around then really you have some eyeball issues. lol

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/18/nvidia-g-sync/

 

[HurleyBird]

This is awesome. I hope it works on non-Nvidia GPUs as well.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

since you always claim you dont see tearing then please look at this video. if you cant see the horrible tearing going on then how can you even see the game? this is the type of tearing that can happen with flickering lights and explosions in games. and what you see in the video is EXACTLY what I saw on the screen. this is the kind of tearing that made me almost throw up in the first FEAR game in some spots with flickering lights and forced me to start using vsync.

and I took this video while using an 144hz ASUS just to also show that tearing can still happen with high refresh rate. in fact this kind of tearing looks almost just as bad as on a 60hz screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T6chyW2Vo

Lucid Virtu ftw.

 

[imaheadcase]

lol oh yes you are the guy that claims to get no tearing. it must be nice to blind to that.

Actually its the other way around. If you see it brain is not fixing it for you like it does most people. Its the same with AA, most people don't even care about it.

I don't see any difference in that video, it has NOTHING to do with eyes by the way, visual effects are brain related. If you did a test, on a non-tech site, based on 100+ people playing games majority would not notice. The reason 120+hz monitors are not flying off the shelf is this very reason. Every human sees slightly different, but every human brain fills in missing gaps because of this.

Because people are very susceptible to being tricked, its also just as easy to say "hey look at that it needs fixed" and people start thinking that it does..

 

[toyota]

Actually its the other way around. If you see it brain is not fixing it for you like it does most people. Its the same with AA, most people don't even care about it.

months ago you originally said you had no tearing. that's not true as you get the same tearing as anyone else. that's way different then saying it doesn't bother you.

also look at the videos I posted a couple posts up. there is something wrong if you dont see the tearing there.

 

[imaheadcase]

months ago you originally said you had no tearing. that's not true as you get the same tearing as anyone else. that's way different then saying it doesn't bother you.

also look at the videos I posted a couple posts up. there is something wrong if you dont see the tearing there.

Mmm no i don't get tearing. Since you obviously don't understand how the brain and eyes work i'm just going to leave it at that.

Fact is, majority of people won't get it when playing a game.

 

[toyota]

Mmm no i don't get tearing. Since you obviously don't understand how the brain and eyes work i'm just going to leave it at that.

Fact is, majority of people won't get it when playing a game.

lol you just have no idea how stupid it is to say that. what you are saying is about as stupid as saying you can stand naked in the rain and not get wet. get through your head that tearing is there with vsync off whether you notice or not. and something is wrong with your brain and eyes if you claim there is no tearing in those videos.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Everybody gets tearing. To claim one doesn't experience it is ludicrous. In some scenes it may be more pronounced than in others, but it is definitely and always there without vsync.

 

[toyota]

Everybody gets tearing. To claim one doesn't experience it is ludicrous. In some scenes it may be more pronounced than in others, but it is definitely and always there without vsync.

good thing his blind butt does not work for Nvidia. lol

 

[Jacky60]

This sounds very promising and I'll be in the market for a new monitor early new year as my new build seems forever on hold until the fog clears.
:thumbsup:. Seems Nvidia may get my GPU $ very soon...who'd have thunk it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by HurleyBird
This is awesome. I hope it works on non-Nvidia GPUs as well.

Somehow I don't think that's very likely lol.

 

[Jacky60]

^^

 

[imaheadcase]

lol you just have no idea how stupid it is to say that. what you are saying is about as stupid as saying you can stand naked in the rain and not get wet. get through your head that tearing is there with vsync off whether you notice or not. and something is wrong with your brain and eyes if you claim there is no tearing in those videos.

Yah its crazy that billions of people don't see things the same right. Its almost as if people are different in how they see things..
Get it through your head that people don't see tearing, at all.

 

[flopper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HurleyBird
This is awesome. I hope it works on non-Nvidia GPUs as well.

Somehow I don't think that's very likely lol.

Nvidia have the record to make it Nvidia no one elses.
its part of their asian culture.

 

[Jacky60]

My point is that if this was an ISO standard, it could be included in displays from the factory, and work with a GPU from any manufacturer that supported the data signal for the controller in the display.

AMD having a kit and nVidia having a kit means you need to have a display for that manufacturer. This is not good for consumers.

I agree although Nvidia wouldn't bother to develop such technology if AMD could use it. I share your frustration and want more standardisation and less fragmentation although I guess Nvidia and AMD would say g-sync and Mantle are 'features' of their products that allow consumers to differentiate between them.

 

[Erenhardt]

and I took this video while using an 144hz ASUS just to also show that tearing can still happen with high refresh rate. in fact this kind of tearing looks almost just as bad as on a 60hz screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3T6chyW2Vo

660ti... well I guess nvidia needs the new G-sync. You should have got the faster and cheaper card and wouldn't have a problem with image quality. But then your PC would loose "premium" grade.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this announcement. Just think of how many bottom of the barrel 768p TNs shipped for the past few years and they want the manufacturers to put in effort and money for NV? That must be some high dope NV is on.

If Mantle is going to fail, this would be even harder.

 

[RussianSensation]

Seems some people are content to ramble boringly about themselves, and I will too: the world is excited to know that I will never buy an IPS monitor

I'll take actual smoothness and actual image quality over perceived quality any day

What?

It's perfectly fine that someone prefers smoothness/higher FPS over IQ but TN's inferior viewing angles and inability to display accurate colours compared to an IPS panel are a fact.

or just look here at the 10 minute mark and see tearing vs having the new g-sync on. if you cant see that tearing from just looking around then really you have some eyeball issues. lol

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/18/nvidia-g-sync/

The G-sync definitely looks awesome. On the traditional monitor, the columns are tearing all over the place on the rotating gazebo.

 

[BrightCandle]

This doesn't have to be limited to TN, it should be a technique possible in all LCDs.

Nvidia as part of the panel after the announcement did say they would want it available to other companies. Simply put they are releasing like this to get things rolling. When/if its popular enough then we can see other companies using it, and that is Nvidia's ideal scenario.

I saw a new monitor released today (dell) and I thought "who is going to buy a legacy vsync monitor now". The world of TVs and monitors changed yesterday in a big way. By the time this is out I might be looking to get a 4k 144hz gsync monitor. Talk about a lot of upgrade at once!

 

[blackened23]

Mmm no i don't get tearing. Since you obviously don't understand how the brain and eyes work i'm just going to leave it at that.

Fact is, majority of people won't get it when playing a game.

Excuse me? Is this a joke? Everyone gets tearing. Unless your vision is off, i'd have to agree with others in this thread. When I turn vsync off tearing is immediately and completely obvious.

 

[Grooveriding]

There was mention that this will be in a 4K panel, obviously from Asus as they make them. I briefly owned the Asus 4K and it was beautiful, desktop usage was a little crazy as there is so much real estate in such a small form factor. Image was incredible though for games and 4K content etc. Of course considering the existing 4K monitor is $3500, the one with this will be more. The upgrade kit is supposed to cost $170 per nvidia, so my guess is monitor makers will put at least a $200 premium on monitors for the cost of installation.

Other than that I think we're hosed in terms of getting a 30" or 27" IPS screen @ 2560x1600 or 2560x1440 using Gsync. AFAIK none of those 4 manufacturers mentioned make such screens.

The good options for quality monitors are Dell, HP & NEC. I can't see any of them being willing to get on board with something like this unfortunately. So once again like 120hz it's going to be settle for a low quality monitor and poor IQ to get a decent motion feature unfortunately, unless you're planning to spend $3500+ for a 4K screen that you can't game on at decent settings with any video card setup available now or for at least another year to come.