not really. the same chip that is more efficient stock will usually also be more efficient when overclocked. What amazes me is that someone that tries to defend a cpu that is *both* slower and less power efficient.
It confounds me how people can talk about power usage and then O/C their CPU/GPU.
Talk, talk, it's all talk.
The GTX 750 Ti is already the most efficient gaming-grade GPU available.
Only if you are talking about 10-20fps. I dont think that GTX-750Ti has the same efficiency at higher Image Quality and high fps count.
One man's efficiency is another man's non sufficient performance.
I would gladly have any AMD FX-83xx with R9 290 than any Intel CPU with GXT-750Ti.
not really. the same chip that is more efficient stock will usually also be more efficient when overclocked. What amazes me is that someone that tries to defend a cpu that is *both* slower and less power efficient.
Pair Intel with an Nvidia card and any AMD solution is left sitting in the parking lot with its hands in its pockets.
Only if you are talking about 10-20fps. I dont think that GTX-750Ti has the same efficiency at higher Image Quality and high fps count.
One man's efficiency is another man's non sufficient performance.
I would gladly have any AMD FX-83xx with R9 290 than any Intel CPU with GXT-750Ti.
Not always, especially with Mantle.
And Mantle is dead. Did you somehow miss the announcement?
1. As Phy said, there is no need to pair an AMD GPU with an AMD CPU.
2. After accounting for RAM differences, GTX 980 is almost as efficient as 750 Ti. But NV charges a HUGE price premium for that efficiency, way more than Intel charges, and unlike CPUs, GPU idle wattage differences are smaller so it would take far longer to recoup the premium via lower power bills. But I was not talking about GPUs, I was talking about CPUs.
3. Greek electric rates are around 20-21 cents/kWh and rising, which is nearly double the US average price:
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/10/31/greece-champion-of-electricity-hikes/
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/10/31/greece-champion-of-electricity-hikes/
Even a 10 watt difference at the wall, if left on all day, is worth about 5 cents in Greece. That's about $20 per year. That's with just a 10 watt difference. Computers are not always on, sure, but they aren't always idle, either, and when under load Intel CPUs are WAY more than 10 watts more efficient for equivalent gaming performance.
Since Intel CPUs don't cost THAT much more than AMD CPUs, it's possible to recoup the Intel price premium via lower power bills. In fact it might even be cheaper than AMD if your electricity price or usage rate are high enough.
But you already knew that. But you also sell AMD stuff and have a financial interest in talking up AMD and bashing Intel.
4. 750 Ti stock is already ~570 GTX performance. Overclocked it's nearly GTX 580. More than enough for older games, or newer ones not-maxed-out at 1080p.
Pretty much 99% of the time.
Edit:
Actually I'll say 99.999% of the time. What full AMD solution has greater efficiency than an Intel / Nvidia solution at a given performance point?
And Mantle is dead. Did you somehow miss the announcement?
Almost, AMD should have charged licensing fees, or found some other way to immediately monetize Mantle. As it stands they gave it away with the hope of it somehow selling more AMD hardware long term. Sketchy way to run a business.
AMD FX-8320E + R9 290 with a Mantle Title has higher perf/watt than Intel + Kepler at the same price for example.
Also, in order to have higher efficiency with the Intel + NVIDIA you also have to spend substantial more to arrive at the same performance in Mantle games.
Mantle 1.0 run its coarse, there are games using Mantle as we speak. Also DX-12 will make old CPUs perform way better the coming years. This must be a nightmare for Intel, no reason to upgrade your CPU for 5-6 years now. Even a Quad Core SandyBridge will be more than enough for DX-12 games.
You know, im observing the posts on different sites for quite long time now, and what i've seen is that the users (fan-boys-trolls) of Intel/nV always attacking the AMD users. Im happy with my RIG and its really fast for Games etc. And the Fan-trolls of Intel/nV always are the ELITE ;-) in their eyes, cuz they PAY $ more for their RIGs, min +100$ to lol +700$ for Intel CPU's and +200$ +1200$ for nV GPU's.Am I going to have to move this thread to the CPUs forum, or am I going to have to close it? Get back on topic.
-- stahlhart
AMD FX-8320E + R9 290 with a Mantle Title has higher perf/watt than Intel + Kepler at the same price for example.
You know, im observing the posts on different sites for quite long time now, and what i've seen is that the users (fan-boys-trolls) of Intel/nV always attacking the AMD users. Im happy with my RIG and its really fast for Games etc. And the Fan-trolls of Intel/nV always are the ELITE