"PC's are always better"

Cellulose

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Unlike many of the responses there he 'at least' said it was in his opinion and not necessarily fact.
 

Schadenfroh

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That depends on the gamer.

The reasons I prefer PC over console:
  • Keyboard / Mouse
  • Games of my taste are exclusive to the PC (story driven western RPGs like Baldurs Gate 2, PlaneScape: Torment in addition to FPS/RPG hybrids like Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines and more modern RPGs like NWN2). This is the most important, IMO.
  • Far more playermade mods for PC games than consoles
  • Prices of PC games drop quicker than console equivalents

Note that I could go on about the other uses for a PC, but that does not directly relate to gaming. I have a PS3 as well, but I mainly use it as a HTPC.
 

KeithTalent

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Schad makes some good points. I think there is a place for consoles, but that place is not in my house.

KT
 

Zenoth

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I agree as long as it concerns my own needs.

Consoles are good for gaming of course, but it's a very limited gaming, and good especially for, but not exclusively, a younger audience. When I was 12 years-old or so, if you told me anything about a "PC" all I could think about was the monitor itself, and a orange & black screen with lots of text on it, it was far from being at the center of my interests for games, and back then it was extremely expensive. At that age, before that, and a little after too, Consoles were best suited for gaming.

But then as I grown older I started to hear about the Internet, and then to see it, and then to experience it, and then to wish I had it. Inevitably I had to get a PC for Internet, and then later on get a "good" PC for gaming, which is exactly where I started to realize the potential behind PC gaming, and how restricted Console games were.

As a matter of fact, the last Consoles generation (XBOX, GameCube, PS2) started to imitate PC gaming by giving extra content from a broadband connection, similar to patches, or new maps, new weapons, new this and that. If we go back in time with the SNES and Genesis it was a game released and that's it, no corrections were possible after its launch, so if there was obvious and game-play influencing bugs you were stuck with them for eternity. But with the last generation and of course even more so with the current generation Console gaming is doing almost exactly what PC gaming has done all those years, which is to increase a game's longevity by making patche(s) for it, which sometimes will also include new and official content from the vanilla state.

And perhaps the most important point of them all is modifications to games from the communities. That's something that so far has been almost exclusive, or in fact simply is still to day exclusive to PC gaming. Just name one game, like The Elder Scrolls series, or the Total War series, or the Half-Life series, and infinitively more. All of them eventually saw tons, and I do mean a heck load of mods for them, some of them being almost as good as, if not better than the official content (known as "Total Conversions", one example being Red Orchestra and Counter-Strike, perhaps the two most successful Total Conversions ever known, with the first's team who've managed to make their own company today known as Tripwire Interactive, thanks to a contest organized by the makers of Unreal Tournament). That's something that has never happened on the Consoles, at least not to the same extent and level, and I do sincerely hope that it will never happen on the Consoles because already Consoles have "stolen" Internet and Patches, all we PC gamers still have to cherish are our mods.

That's for gaming alone, and let's not even start with the Mouse/Keyboard combo battle against the Console Controllers. Even SEGA themselves made a Keyboard and Mouse for their Dreamcast back in 1999/2000, because they knew it was the best thing for first-person-shooters and even real-time-strategy games to some extent, however the Dreamcast's case isn't a good example due to the very, very small library of such game genres. A few other Consoles saw a Keyboard/Mouse for them at some point. Again an example of PC gaming imitations, showing how the Consoles almost cry to become just that themselves, PC's.

I myself will always think that PC's are superior in every single ways including for gaming (but so much more). However, I would never buy a gaming-grade PC for my pre-pubescent son and/or daughter if I had one. For them I would definitely seek Nintendo products, for example a GameCube or a Wii, because I know that Nintendo is perhaps the only company that today still stands firm and hasn't forgotten about the children who definitely have no needs for the exaggerated violence given by other game makers. I would be more than proud to buy them a Mario game, or a Sonic game and a few others. But the point here is that Consoles are good, I believe, especially, but again not exclusively, for a young public. That, and also for some nice gaming fun along with the family (that's an extremely rare occasion, but it can yield some classic fun moments given the proper "family oriented game").
 

Xavier434

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Always is a strong word.

It's all about the games. Not the device that plays them. This is why games exclusive to one console/computer suck ass for the consumer.
 

imported_Imp

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Agree. The sohpistication (well at least until console-port craze came in) of stuff on PC is excellent.

However, there is a certain style that console games have that I like. Two different beasts. Too bad they don't know how the hell to keep the two from making babies...
 

Canai

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Always. If I want to play some shitty console game, I'll just use my 360 controller on my comp, with high def graphics and sound, and higher frame rates, more user created content, and lots of little tweaks I can do to the game to make it prettier or whatever.

Consoles are just a snapshot of where PC computing is at any given time. Remember how nVidia made the PS3 obsolete before it came out when they released their 8800 series last fall?

And the 360 IS a computer. It's even running (a version of) Windows.
 

Dethfrumbelo

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Always is a strong word.

It's all about the games. Not the device that plays them. This is why games exclusive to one console/computer suck ass for the consumer.

QFT. The Bioware/Microsoft exclusive deal pisses me off most of all.

 

Cellulose

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
I agree as long as it concerns my own needs.

Consoles are good for gaming of course, but it's a very limited gaming, and good especially for, but not exclusively, a younger audience. When I was 12 years-old or so, if you told me anything about a "PC" all I could think about was the monitor itself, and a orange & black screen with lots of text on it, it was far from being at the center of my interests for games, and back then it was extremely expensive. At that age, before that, and a little after too, Consoles were best suited for gaming.

But then as I grown older I started to hear about the Internet, and then to see it, and then to experience it, and then to wish I had it. Inevitably I had to get a PC for Internet, and then later on get a "good" PC for gaming, which is exactly where I started to realize the potential behind PC gaming, and how restricted Console games were.

As a matter of fact, the last Consoles generation (XBOX, GameCube, PS2) started to imitate PC gaming by giving extra content from a broadband connection, similar to patches, or new maps, new weapons, new this and that. If we go back in time with the SNES and Genesis it was a game released and that's it, no corrections were possible after its launch, so if there was obvious and game-play influencing bugs you were stuck with them for eternity. But with the last generation and of course even more so with the current generation Console gaming is doing almost exactly what PC gaming has done all those years, which is to increase a game's longevity by making patche(s) for it, which sometimes will also include new and official content from the vanilla state.

And perhaps the most important point of them all is modifications to games from the communities. That's something that so far has been almost exclusive, or in fact simply is still to day exclusive to PC gaming. Just name one game, like The Elder Scrolls series, or the Total War series, or the Half-Life series, and infinitively more. All of them eventually saw tons, and I do mean a heck load of mods for them, some of them being almost as good as, if not better than the official content (known as "Total Conversions", one example being Red Orchestra and Counter-Strike, perhaps the two most successful Total Conversions ever known, with the first's team who've managed to make their own company today known as Tripwire Interactive, thanks to a contest organized by the makers of Unreal Tournament). That's something that has never happened on the Consoles, at least not to the same extent and level, and I do sincerely hope that it will never happen on the Consoles because already Consoles have "stolen" Internet and Patches, all we PC gamers still have to cherish are our mods.

That's for gaming alone, and let's not even start with the Mouse/Keyboard combo battle against the Console Controllers. Even SEGA themselves made a Keyboard and Mouse for their Dreamcast back in 1999/2000, because they knew it was the best thing for first-person-shooters and even real-time-strategy games to some extent, however the Dreamcast's case isn't a good example due to the very, very small library of such game genres. A few other Consoles saw a Keyboard/Mouse for them at some point. Again an example of PC gaming imitations, showing how the Consoles almost cry to become just that themselves, PC's.

I myself will always think that PC's are superior in every single ways including for gaming (but so much more). However, I would never buy a gaming-grade PC for my pre-pubescent son and/or daughter if I had one. For them I would definitely seek Nintendo products, for example a GameCube or a Wii, because I know that Nintendo is perhaps the only company that today still stands firm and hasn't forgotten about the children who definitely have no needs for the exaggerated violence given by other game makers. I would be more than proud to buy them a Mario game, or a Sonic game and a few others. But the point here is that Consoles are good, I believe, especially, but again not exclusively, for a young public. That, and also for some nice gaming fun along with the family (that's an extremely rare occasion, but it can yield some classic fun moments given the proper "family oriented game").

http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php

Just some interest facts for those who care - a couple which disagree with what you say by the way (assuming you are applying these things to everyone and not just you of course - otherwise it probably means little to you )

edit: In other posts you definately show some hatred for console gaming

Originally posted by: Canai
Always. If I want to play some shitty console game, I'll just use my 360 controller on my comp, with high def graphics and sound, and higher frame rates, more user created content, and lots of little tweaks I can do to the game to make it prettier or whatever.

Consoles are just a snapshot of where PC computing is at any given time. Remember how nVidia made the PS3 obsolete before it came out when they released their 8800 series last fall?

And the 360 IS a computer. It's even running (a version of) Windows.

How many other forum members strongly believe this as well? Im just curious

 

TehMac

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PC's cater to a more intellectually driven crowd, the FPS games tend to be more sophisticated (easy example, Call of Duty first bloomed up on the PC, and then ported later to consoles) whether it be RPGs or RTS games. All consoles do really is appeal to 12 year olds and people who don't know anything about anything related to PCs. For all they know, magical leprechauns power their xbox360s. Consoles also help stagnate games, because apparently, all xbox 360 gamers care about is teh graffixx.
 

lxskllr

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Originally posted by: Knobjockey


Originally posted by: Canai
Always. If I want to play some shitty console game, I'll just use my 360 controller on my comp, with high def graphics and sound, and higher frame rates, more user created content, and lots of little tweaks I can do to the game to make it prettier or whatever.

Consoles are just a snapshot of where PC computing is at any given time. Remember how nVidia made the PS3 obsolete before it came out when they released their 8800 series last fall?

And the 360 IS a computer. It's even running (a version of) Windows.

How many other forum members strongly believe this as well? Im just curious

I agree with this to a point. The PS3 and Xbox360 are just pretend computers, that do ok for a dedicated purpose, but quickly fall behind. I think Nintendo got it right with the Wii. It's relatively cheap, and it's forte is games that are quick to learn, easy to play, and easy to put down after a short gaming session. That's what a console should be. It doesn't force people to be dedicated "gamers" to have some fun. Somebody (men and women) can come home from work, throw a game on the Wii, and have 15-30 minutes of fun, and not feel like they're getting nowhere because they haven't invested hours into gaming.

 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: Knobjockey

edit: In other posts you definately show some hatred for console gaming

Yes, well thanks for taking the time to make a research on my posts

I do believe that Console gaming is degrading PC gaming, due to developers of PC games (or perhaps not anymore) taking most of what makes a Console game what is it, such as simplified user interface, lack of in-game options to tweak graphics, controls (especially that one) sounds and other engine-related features. A PC game has no need to become "like a Console game", because at that rate there will be barely any visible differences between a PC game and a Console, both will eventually be the exact same in all respects, which is where it will be a sad day.

I believe that Console games should stay on Consoles and PC games on PC's.

The logic is clear and very simple to understand, at least from a gamer's point of view.

Of course when money comes into play it vanishes the logic away and the developer's interests are focused towards profit, making them look like mere amateurs, and not "PC gamers at heart" like they often pretend to be. Most if not all of them played Mario in their young ages, so they know exactly what NOT to do in a PC game, that's the worst part.
 

HamburgerBoy

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I was going to bring up platformers (specifically SNES-era ones) but then I remembered SNES9x. So yes, PCs are always better.
 

jonmcc33

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I loved my PSX that I had. Then of course I got my first gaming PC. I tried a Xbox out and was disappointed. I have no need for a console.
 

DangerAardvark

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Take the most complex console game you've ever played. For me, it's FF Tactics.
Take the longest console game you've ever played. For me it's probably a tie between FF6 and FF7.
Take the console game with the best story you've ever played. For me it's probably KOTOR. Hard to pick, since 99% of game stories are trash.

Baldur's Gate 2 is longer, more intricate and has a better story than all three.

I like consoles too, don't get me wrong. Some of my favorite games of all time are console games. But eventually you get tired of collecting glowing, red orbs.
 

JBT

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PC gaming rules. I loved all my console's as a child then I finally built my self a PC with a video card and never looked back. I have not been interested in Consoles until the Wii came out so my wife could play games with me. I still havn't gotten one yet though been busy with LOTR: O, Crysis and CoD4. Maybe next year!
 

Aikouka

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I like PCs for the simple fact that they're not aiming to be a closed-off system. I can do a lot more on my machine and we pay a price for that general use capability (OS overhead is higher on the PC than on consoles). I still own a 360 and a PS3 though... can't get some of the games anywhere else .
 

Fenixgoon

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most of the time, yes, because nothing beats mouse and keyboard.

but, racing and sports games are 100% better with a controller, no question about it. japanese style rpg's lend themselves to controllers, but KBM could also work i suppose.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
most of the time, yes, because nothing beats mouse and keyboard.

but, racing and sports games are 100% better with a controller, no question about it. japanese style rpg's lend themselves to controllers, but KBM could also work i suppose.

But one thing you can't ignore... I can go pop my 360 controller on my PC right now and play those same games. That's an advantage really... the control is so diverse, especially if they're a 360 controller since Microsoft's drivers work for them .
 
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