Pear Harbor II

TechBoyJK

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527020,00.html

TOKYO ? North Korea may fire a long-range ballistic missile toward Hawaii in early July, a Japanese news report said Thursday, as Russia and China urged the regime to return to international disarmament talks on its rogue nuclear program.

The missile, believed to be a Taepodong-2 with a range of up to 4,000 miles, would be launched from North Korea's Dongchang-ni site on the northwestern coast, said the Yomiuri daily, Japan's top-selling newspaper. It cited an analysis by the Japanese Defense Ministry and intelligence gathered by U.S. reconnaissance satellites.

The missile launch could come between July 4 and 8, given the North's propensity to launch on U.S. holidays. July 8 is also the anniversary of former leader's Kim Il Sung's death.

As of late Wednesday night, however, there was no satellite imagery suggesting North Korea had yet stacked or staged a Taepodong-2 missile at either the Dongchang-ni site on its northwest coast or at its Musudan-ni facility on its northeast coast.

Trains are regularly running from North Korea's Tongnim missile factory to both the northwest and northeast launch pads, but there is speculation by South Korean officials that some may be empty and designed to confuse foreign intelligence agencies which the North knows are watching from the skies.

While the newspaper speculated the Taepodong-2 could fly over Japan and toward Hawaii, it said the missile would not be able to hit Hawaii's main islands, which are about 4,500 miles from the Korean peninsula.

A spokesman for the Japanese Defense Ministry declined to comment on the report. South Korea's Defense Ministry and the National Intelligence Service ? the country's main spy agency ? said they could not confirm it.

Tension on the divided Korean peninsula has spiked since the North conducted its second nuclear test on May 25 in defiance of repeated international warnings. The regime declared Saturday it would bolster its nuclear programs and threatened war in protest of U.N. sanctions taken for the nuclear test.

U.S. officials have said the North has been preparing to fire a long-range missile capable of striking the western U.S. In Washington on Tuesday, Gen. James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it would take at least three to five years for North Korea to pose a real threat to the U.S. west coast.

President Barack Obama and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak met in Washington on Tuesday for a landmark summit in which they agreed to build a regional and global "strategic alliance" to persuade North Korea to dismantle all its nuclear weapons. Obama declared North Korea a "grave threat" to the world and pledged that the new U.N. sanctions on the communist regime will be aggressively enforced.

In Seoul, Vice Unification Minister Hong Yang-ho told a forum Thursday that the North's moves to strengthen its nuclear programs is "a very dangerous thing that can fundamentally change" the regional security environment. He said the South Korean government is bracing for "all possible scenarios" regarding the nuclear standoff.

The independent International Crisis Group think tank, meanwhile, said the North's massive stockpile of chemical weapons is no less serious a threat to the region than its nuclear arsenal.

It said the North is believed to have between 2,500 and 5,000 tons of chemical weapons, including mustard gas, phosgene, blood agents and sarin. These weapons can be delivered with ballistic missiles and long-range artillery and are "sufficient to inflict massive civilian casualties on South Korea."

"If progress is made on rolling back Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions, there could be opportunities to construct a cooperative diplomatic solution for chemical weapons and the suspected biological weapons program," the think tank said in a report released Thursday.

It also called on the U.S. to engage the North in dialogue to defuse the nuclear crisis, saying "diplomacy is the least bad option." The think tank said Washington should be prepared to send a high-level special envoy to Pyongyang to resolve the tension.

In a rare move, leaders of Russia and China used their meetings in Moscow on Wednesday to pressure the North to return to the nuclear talks and expressed "serious concerns" about tension on the Korean peninsula.

The joint appeal appeared to be a signal that Moscow and Beijing are growing impatient with Pyongyang's stubbornness. Northeastern China and Russia's Far East both border North Korea, and Pyongyang's unpredictable actions have raised concern in both countries.

After meetings at the Kremlin, Chinese President Hu Jintao joined Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in urging a peaceful resolution of the Korean standoff and the "swiftest renewal" of the now-frozen talks involving their countries as well as North and South Korea, Japan and the United States.

"Russia and China are ready to foster the lowering of tension in Northeast Asia and call for the continuation of efforts by all sides to resolve disagreements through peaceful means, through dialogue and consultations," their statement said.

The comments ? contained in a lengthy statement that discussed other global issues ? included no new initiatives, but it appeared to be carefully worded to avoid provoking Pyongyang. In remarks after their meetings, Medvedev made only a brief reference to North Korea, and Hu did not mention it.

South Korea's Lee said Wednesday in Washington that was essential for China and Russia to "actively cooperate" in getting the North to give up its nuclear program, suggesting the North's bombs program may trigger a regional arms race.

"If we acknowledge North Korea possessing nuclear programs, other non-nuclear countries in Northeast Asia would be tempted to possess nuclear weapons and this would not be helpful for stability in Northeast Asia," Lee said in a meeting with former U.S. officials and Korea experts, according to his office.

FOX News' Jennifer Griffin and the Associated Press contributed to this report.

@ work.. working on commentary now.
 

StageLeft

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This is a bit of a farcry from PH2 considering 1) The thing won't be tipped with anything meaningful and 2) If it tried to hit hawaii it would almost certainly fail anyway

 

Atreus21

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I sure hope we shoot it down.

As if we have to. I think they'll be lucky if the missile even heads west.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
I sure hope we shoot it down.

As if we have to. I think they'll be lucky if the missile even heads west.

I honestly envision them as a toddler playing with a bottle rocket. They're lucky if they light the wick. Who knows where it's going to shoot off to.

 

StageLeft

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If they do actually launch it deliberately toward Hawaii it will certainly raise the issue higher. I'm glad they appear to have no friends right now, even china and russia are perturbed.
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.
 

OutHouse

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if NK did that they would totally fuck themselves. Im sure Russia and china would step back and lift their protective hands and not stand in our way of totally destroying that country.

 

dphantom

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I believe any launch from NK has a splashdown somwhere on a line south of Alaska to west of Hawaii. It is inevitable that any launch would in fact go toward Hawaii or Alaska depending upon where NK wants to drop the missile.

Of course, based on their past experience, it may fall back on top of their heads.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.

Yep FNE is a clown that's for sure.
 

techs

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The solution to the NK problem is simple.
Inform China we will no longer allow them to manipulate their currency and have free trade with the US.
NK problem over in 24 hours.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: techs
The solution to the NK problem is simple.
Inform China we will no longer allow them to manipulate their currency and have free trade with the US.
NK problem over in 24 hours.
That's also the solution to the problem of a recovering US economy.

 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.

Actually your also quite the idiot.....
I seriously doubt that Fear No Evil was being sarcastic in any way!
In fact that is something Fear No Evil would say!!
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
If they do actually launch it deliberately toward Hawaii it will certainly raise the issue higher. I'm glad they appear to have no friends right now, even china and russia are perturbed.

True. So why don't they step up and do something about it? They are more in range than we are.
 

TechBoyJK

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Oct 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.

Actually your also quite the idiot.....
I seriously doubt that Fear No Evil was being sarcastic in any way!
In fact that is something Fear No Evil would say!!

well poo on you too
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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I'm also shocked that Phokus.txt, techs.txt, Craig.txt didn't make an appearance in this thread bashing the OP for daring to use FoxNews as a reference!
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.

Actually your also quite the idiot.....
I seriously doubt that Fear No Evil was being sarcastic in any way!
In fact that is something Fear No Evil would say!!

Here's the great thing about my statement. I was actually ripping on people who believe we shouldn't meddle in places like Iran and NK. Hawaii should just take the nuke, get wiped out, and take one for the team. Then we will know NK is serious. Because otherwise everyone just says NK is harmless. So Hawaii should just take one for the team and get wiped out. They shouldn't mind.. after all, NK is harmless. If we're wrong on that, oops.. Obama can apologize to the now deceased Hawaiian people and it will all be OK. Then we could probably apologize to NK for making them nuke us.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: LLCOOLJ
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Take one for the team Hawaii!
Wow you're quite the idiot. There's a village looking for you.

LL, Sarcasm runs deep in ATOT. If you can't tolerate statements like that and recognize them as jest, I wouldn't hang out here.

Yep FNE is a clown that's for sure.

I'm just your alter-ego account that you use to post when you want to say what you REALLY think.
 

Schadenfroh

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They would never be so foolish as to attempt to bomb the US or Japan, if they do their country will be burned by conventional bombs (if it is a conventional payload) or turned to glass (if it is atomic). Plus, they are not even capable of hitting Hawaii.

While the newspaper speculated the Taepodong-2 could fly over Japan and toward Hawaii, it said the missile would not be able to hit Hawaii's main islands, which are about 4,500 miles from the Korean peninsula.

The source is a Japanese newspaper, probably fear mongering.
 

nullzero

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
If they do actually launch it deliberately toward Hawaii it will certainly raise the issue higher. I'm glad they appear to have no friends right now, even china and russia are perturbed.

Who do you think gave them all this military technology? China and Russia, I bet they are both ready to watch the show with a direct video link from the North Koreans.

I do not see a way this small crap hole country, with very little natural resources and with a starving population, could design and manufacture all these nuclear weapons and long range weapons by themselves.

Lets face it North Korea is a puppet of China. They use them to provoke the U.S. near their territory to then look over and analyze the U.S. response.
 

filetitan

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Originally posted by: nullzero
Originally posted by: Skoorb
If they do actually launch it deliberately toward Hawaii it will certainly raise the issue higher. I'm glad they appear to have no friends right now, even china and russia are perturbed.

Who do you think gave them all this military technology? China and Russia, I bet they are both ready to watch the show with a direct video link from the North Koreans.

I do not see a way this small crap hole country, with very little natural resources and with a starving population, could design and manufacture all these nuclear weapons and long range weapons by themselves.

Lets face it North Korea is a puppet of China. They use them to provoke the U.S. near their territory to then look over and analyze the U.S. response.

wow, I like the way you think!
 
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