Pediatrician declines to care for lesbians baby

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Atreus21

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Say what?

" false or unjustified injury of the good reputation of another, as by slander or libel; calumny"

Really?

Anyway, I'll post the doctor's hilarious apology letter too for some topic relevance, since relevance is under so much scrutiny here:


What's so hilarious about it? Seems pretty reasonable.

Not exactly the caricature of sheer hatred that the LGBTQ movement portrays.
 

Atreus21

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The Baby was refused service. Not for some reason specific to the Baby, but due to the Babies parents.

Right. And referred to another doctor in the same clinic. Harm done to the baby: Zero. Zilch. If this had been an emergency room visit or the baby was in distress, I would agree.
 
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justoh

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What's so hilarious about it? Seems pretty reasonable.

Not exactly the caricature of sheer hatred that the LGBTQ movement portrays.

hmm, because it's stupid and internally inconsistent, much like christianity, and it even includes the classic, evil, totalitarian threat (implied/insinuated) that god is going to judge them. Her referenced, anticipated inability to "bond" with them as patients must rest on judgments she has made about them, even if they're ultimately based on nonsense derived from her delusion. She's judging their little family unit to be incompatible with her beliefs.

However, obviously she shouldn't be compelled to see them. Nobody should ever be compelled to be seen by that stupid bitch. sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.
 

sandorski

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Right. And referred to another doctor in the same clinic. Harm done to the baby: Zero. Zilch. If this had been an emergency room visit or the baby was in distress, I would agree.

The Baby was rejected based upon the Doctors bigotry. It would be like a White child being forced to drink at the Black's fountain because its' parents were Black.
 

Atreus21

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The Baby was rejected based upon the Doctors bigotry. It would be like a White child being forced to drink at the Black's fountain because its' parents were Black.

There was no force involved. There was a doctor saying she couldn't be a child's pediatrician because of her religion. If that's bigotry, it's harmless.
 

oobydoobydoo

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Again, the child was neither punished nor discriminated against. If it actually was some specific, necessary treatment and not just a "first check-up," then it could sensibly be stated that the child was a victim of the doctor's bigotry, or suffered because of the discrimination against the parents. You can't say the child here was discriminated against or punished. Like, Hello!

In this case the only consequence of the discrimination was that the mothers' feelings were hurt.

Lesbians can marry and raise children. Maybe demanding them to be free from being insulted by christians is asking too much. The problem is that she has those ideas, not that she expressed or acted on them, and it's better that she did anyway. Trying to compel her to see the family is just dumb. Stop suggesting dumb things.

There was no force involved. There was a doctor saying she couldn't be a child's pediatrician because of her religion. If that's bigotry, it's harmless.

It isn't? There is evidence for both sides of that opinion. That said, the doc should have treated the kid.


ITT: Anandtech members out themselves as bigots.
 

Atreus21

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hmm, because it's stupid and internally inconsistent, much like christianity, and it even includes the classic, evil, totalitarian threat (implied/insinuated) that god is going to judge them. Her referenced, anticipated inability to "bond" with them as patients must rest on judgments she has made about them, even if they're ultimately based on nonsense derived from her delusion. She's judging their little family unit to be incompatible with her beliefs.

However, obviously she shouldn't be compelled to see them. Nobody should ever be compelled to be seen by that stupid bitch. sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

God is going to judge every last one of us, according to Christians, Muslims, Jews...

What this doctor did seems entirely reasonable. She explained her position (whether or not you agree with it), apologized for any offense, and referred the child to another pediatrician. No harm done, except to some very delicate sensibilities.
 

senseamp

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Can a firefighter decide not to extinguish a fire if gay people are burning inside?
 

justoh

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The Baby was rejected based upon the Doctors bigotry. It would be like a White child being forced to drink at the Black's fountain because its' parents were Black.

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having separate fountains, dumbass?
 
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What's so hilarious about it? Seems pretty reasonable.

Not exactly the caricature of sheer hatred that the LGBTQ movement portrays.

Yes, there's nothing unreasonable about a trained medical professional saying they literally cannot interact with certain people because of an inability to view them as an equal human being based on inherent characteristics they were born with. Just because someone isn't trying to lynch you doesn't mean their bigotry doesn't hurt. Having your infant child refused care because a doctor doesn't like how you were born? That's going to be a pretty big gut-punch, especially during a time when other parts of the country are embroiled in a bitter debate about whether or not you should be allowed to be fired based solely on an innate characteristic that you can't change. And honestly there is no way to frame preventing gays from rights that straight people enjoy as anything other than a manifestation of hatred. You see enough of it, you start to get pretty disgusted by the same old shit, regardless of the flowery prose accompanying the bullshit apology. Is the doctor as bad as the Westboro Baptists? Maybe not... but at least they have the decency to tell you exactly what they think of you to your face.

Other than that, it's totally reasonable.
 

sandorski

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There was no force involved. There was a doctor saying she couldn't be a child's pediatrician because of her religion. If that's bigotry, it's harmless.

Who says Force is required? The Baby bore the brunt of this Doctors bigotry.
 

justoh

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Can a firefighter decide not to extinguish a fire if gay people are burning inside?

Fire fighters and water fountains don't/shouldn't have the same freedom of association considerations afforded to private practice pediatricians, for good reason (especially in the case of fountains). I'm never one to throw insults around, but the level of stupidity in this thread is truly epic.
 

zinfamous

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What's so hilarious about it? Seems pretty reasonable.

Not exactly the caricature of sheer hatred that the LGBTQ movement portrays.

seriously?

"God gives us choice to live our lives--I don't judge you for choosing to be gay"

"I apologize for any anger or hurt feelings that occurred because of this"

The first statement is plainly retarded, and no admission of fault, or real apology. The second--if the use of passive voice to deflect blame isn't painfully obvious to you, then you probably have an issue gauging context in any manner of verbiage.
 

cbrunny

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Fire fighters and water fountains don't/shouldn't have the same freedom of association considerations afforded to private practice pediatricians, for good reason (especially in the case of fountains). I'm never one to throw insults around, but the level of stupidity in this thread is truly epic.

You have insulted more people in this thread than anyone else in this thread.
 

justoh

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You have insulted more people in this thread than anyone else in this thread.

Maybe. If it's just limited to those who have posted, then yes, on balance, apparently. Imagine this thread in a wider context, though. Maybe there are reasonable people reading but not posting.

Maybe they find insulting/offensive the people making entirely nonsensical and inappropriate comparisons between this bullshit and institutionalized racism/apartheid. I think anyone who's ever been a victim of racism, or anyone with a brain at all, would find that ridiculous. Moontard is correct that we should feel sorry for this woman, not vilify her (ridiculing her is different). It's based on a sincere belief. It's important to her. She arranged for a suitable (and probably much more qualified) replacement. The effect on the child is null, if not positive.

They wanted her to be their pediatrician. This was just to be the first visit. It wasn't for any specific treatment, but for an on-going relationship. Look at the letter. Do you want someone who doesn't think she can interact properly with her patients to be compelled to do so on a long-term basis? This isn't government sponsored racism. It's not even private cake baking service refusal. This wasn't to be a one-time transaction. The relationship is important. Morons.
 
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feralkid

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Maybe. If it's just limited to those who have posted, then yes, on balance, apparently. Imagine this thread in a wider context, though. Maybe there are reasonable people reading but not posting.

Maybe they find insulting/offensive the people making entirely nonsensical and inappropriate comparisons between this bullshit and institutionalized racism/apartheid. I think anyone who's ever been a victim of racism, or anyone with a brain at all, would find that ridiculous. Moontard is correct that we should feel sorry for this woman, not vilify her (ridiculing her is different). It's based on a sincere belief. It's important to her. She arranged for a suitable (and probably much more qualified) replacement. The effect on the children is literally null.

They wanted her to be their pediatrician. This was just to be the first visit. It wasn't for any specific treatment, but for an on-going relationship. Look at the letter. Do you want someone who doesn't think she can interact properly with her patients to be compelled to do so on a long-term basis? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills. This isn't government sponsored racism. It's not even private cake baking service refusal. This wasn't to be a one-time transaction. The relationship is important. Morons.

And that's when I realized you're an idiot.
 

justoh

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And that's when I realized you're an idiot.

Because i accidentally used the plural form of child? Or because you're the idiot? It's not literally null. It's a positive to the child, since she won't have a conflicted pediatrician. Content with the edit. Maybe read it again. If you are too then you might not be hopelessly stupid
 
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