Pelosi sets the Donald off live.

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Bitek

Lifer
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Please. The GOP will attempt to tear down the institutions of the govt of the people until there's nothing left but what we had 120 years ago. You know, so we can all experience the glory of naked capitalism right up the ass. That's the real problem. Recriminations over things that never happened act against that not at all.

Yeah, so don't try to cut deals with them to do that to try and bolster your "responsible centrist" cred.

That's what he tried to do and got spanked by his own party for it. Was naive and foolish.

Pick a side on this.

Can't say "don't blame Obama" in the same issue where he's siding with the Rs "attempt to tear down the institutions of the govt of the people"
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
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Nancy Pelosi was called back to the White House today to pick up the high heel shoe she lost after kicking Trump straight up the asshole with it. It finally fell back out.

 

Muse

Lifer
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Anyone watching this? She called it the “Trump shutdown”. That’s all he needed...
I saw this in the paper the other day, his response was that he'd intended to call it the Pelosi shutdown. She beat him to the punch.
 

Muse

Lifer
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#MAGA
#artofthedeal

I read the transcript, Trump sounded unprepared and childish.
Par for the course. I'd love to play a course match play with him, bet I'd beat his butt. But it'll never happen, I'd never want to be seen on his turf.

But seriously, he's never prepared, it isn't his style.
 

Jhhnn

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Par for the course. I'd love to play a course match play with him, bet I'd beat his butt. But it'll never happen, I'd never want to be seen on his turf.

But seriously, he's never prepared, it isn't his style.

Trump is just trying to duh-vert attention from his legal problems. He did, for a little while, if at the cost of appearing even more inept than previously.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Yeah, so don't try to cut deals with them to do that to try and bolster your "responsible centrist" cred.

That's what he tried to do and got spanked by his own party for it. Was naive and foolish.

Pick a side on this.

Can't say "don't blame Obama" in the same issue where he's siding with the Rs "attempt to tear down the institutions of the govt of the people"

Yeh, everybody needs to forget the topic & pick a side against something that never happened years ago.

Because it's really important to tear down the Dems, apparently.
 

Vic

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this is completely false. we just want ILLEGAL immigration to stop. legal is fine.
Yaknow, I want to believe this, but then I see Fox News and Ann Coulter and the rest of "conservative" media ranting about "the invasion" and "the browning of America," and it becomes just too obvious that "legal is fine" is nothing but racist codespeak for "white immigration only" for me to be able to ignore it.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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this is completely false. we just want ILLEGAL immigration to stop. legal is fine.

Bullshit.


With last week's vote in the House of Representatives on hardline immigration legislation from GOP Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, about three-fourths of Republicans in both the House and Senate have voted this year to cut LEGAL immigration by about 40%.

For years, many Republicans have claimed that even as they demanded a crackdown on undocumented, or illegal, immigration, they supported a robust system of legal immigration. Even President Donald Trump nodded to that tradition in a tweet on Sunday when he insisted that illegal immigration "is very unfair to all of those people who have gone through the system legally and are waiting on line for years!"

But, in fact, the vast majority of congressional Republicans this year have now voted for Trump-backed legislation that would not only crack down on undocumented immigration but also severely constrict legal entry into the country, including for millions of those who, as Trump put it, have been "waiting on line for years" to enter legally.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/republicans-oppose-legal-illegal-immigration/index.html


Gee, I didn't realize cutting legal immigration numbers by 40% is not trying to stop damned near any and all immigration into the U.S. Silly me to think drastically reducing the numbers of legal immigrants allowed into the country isn't supporting legal immigration.
 
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BAMAVOO

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Bullshit.


Wow you are such the mind reader. Therein lies your liberal downfall. You are given direct facts and you still THINK you know the opposite to be true. Stop creating your own world and being pissed at everything. Try not to be jealous because Tom or Jane have nice houses and cars.Be happy for them and just maybe you can see good in the world again.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump is just trying to duh-vert attention from his legal problems. He did, for a little while, if at the cost of appearing even more inept than previously.

I think the purpose of the meeting on national TV was Trump was going to provoke the Democrats into threatening to shut down the government to prevent the border wall spending. Trump stuck his foot in his mouth and offered to shut down the government for them.

The threat was carefully crafted to be broadcast by the invited lying media as an intimidating public display of Trump's masterful negotiating skill, which is tantamount to stomping one's feet and holding one's breath like a three year old.
 

ch33zw1z

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Wow you are such the mind reader. Therein lies your liberal downfall. You are given direct facts and you still THINK you know the opposite to be true. Stop creating your own world and being pissed at everything. Try not to be jealous because Tom or Jane have nice houses and cars.Be happy for them and just maybe you can see good in the world again.

Hey look, a trump supporter who cares about facts all of a sudden, LOL
 

VRAMdemon

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pence aint going to jail. All he does is sit and stare.

I'm not sue what was Pence supposed to do exactly? “Shhh, Mr. President, you’re embarrassing yourself!” Trump was handling things exactly the way he wanted them to be handled: like a train wreck. He was probably told not to say anything, so why be there at all? Or he was told never to contradict Donald, so when Donald contradicts himself Pence has nothing he can say.

I don't think Trump really knows when he's being played. He tried to be smart and get confrontational with Nancy and Chuck, so that it plays out well in front of his base, that he is fighting for the wall. Chuck goaded him into admitting that he's threatening to shut down his own government, and once he took the bait they just probably chuckled to themselves and let it play out. Pence looked super uncomfortable throughout the whole conversation, and was probably wishing he was anywhere else in the world, but on that chair.
 

SMOGZINN

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Pence looked super uncomfortable throughout the whole conversation, and was probably wishing he was anywhere else in the world, but on that chair.

Pence was a prop. It is an old strong man negotiation technique where you show off your power by having other powerful people there obviously being subservient to you. You see dictators doing it all the time. But it does not work all that well in the best of situations, and certainly not when your opposition feels that they are on equal footing as you.

Trump is trying to show them that he is in charge. He still does not fully understand that the President is not superior to Congress, but equal to them.
 

Vic

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Wow you are such the mind reader. Therein lies your liberal downfall. You are given direct facts and you still THINK you know the opposite to be true. Stop creating your own world and being pissed at everything. Try not to be jealous because Tom or Jane have nice houses and cars.Be happy for them and just maybe you can see good in the world again.

Says the guy who hasn't presented any facts and is jealous that Tomas or Juanita might get nice things.
If Republicans believe that "legal is fine," then why have Republicans passed legislation to reduce legal immigration by 40%, as the facts which Meghan provided show?
 
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dank69

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Wow you are such the mind reader. Therein lies your liberal downfall. You are given direct facts and you still THINK you know the opposite to be true. Stop creating your own world and being pissed at everything. Try not to be jealous because Tom or Jane have nice houses and cars.Be happy for them and just maybe you can see good in the world again.

Hey look, a trump supporter who cares about facts all of a sudden, LOL
You mean a Trump supporter who doesn't even know what a fact is, like all Trump supporters.
 
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Yeah this about sums up Pence in that meeting.

Pelosi is correct but I know all the useful idiots won’t agree because Democrats & Pelosi!

If the President wanted he could or should have his party bring it up for vote. They should be able to pass the House and how difficult can it be to reach a compromise to appease 2 Imdependents and 7 Democrats?
Basic Art of the Deal stuff right there.

Of course it all falls apart if 20% of the Republicans in Congress think it’s a shitty deal.
 

Stokely

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Fuck the wall, until there is some actual discussion about the facts of immigration (that doesn't start with rapists, gang member and "invasion"). How about some economics, where we can talk about what would happen to various industries if illegals just were all kicked out tomorrow....and some more economics about the actual cost of illegals on welfare (or not on welfare) vs the cost of the wall. Talking about the fact that most illegals don't come across the border would be a good start, and make me believe this ISN'T just a talisman meant to rile up the base. I'll be waiting a while I think.

If the problem of immigration was spelled out in a reasonable way, and the dire menace was clearly shown to be such--sure, let's do what we have to do. If the wall is then shown to be an effective solutions for this dire problem, then I'll change my mind about it. First let's talk about the problem without immediately jumping to "it's the Apocalypse!"
 
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VRAMdemon

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Fuck the wall, until there is some actual discussion about the facts of immigration (that doesn't start with rapists, gang member and "invasion"). How about some economics, where we can talk about what would happen to various industries if illegals just were all kicked out tomorrow....and some more economics about the actual cost of illegals on welfare (or not on welfare) vs the cost of the wall. Talking about the fact that most illegals don't come across the border would be a good start, and make me believe this ISN'T just a talisman meant to rile up the base. I'll be waiting a while I think.

If the problem of immigration was spelled out in a reasonable way, and the dire menace was clearly shown to be such--sure, let's do what we have to do. If the wall is then shown to be an effective solutions for this dire problem, then I'll change my mind about it. First let's talk about the problem without immediately jumping to "it's the Apocalypse!"

The problem is Trump vacillates between "we've secured the border SO TREMENDOUSLY!" and "we need a giant wall or else the border will never be secure." Take Trump out of any meetings, negotiations and decision making and we might get somewhere
 

BAMAVOO

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You mean a Trump supporter who doesn't even know what a fact is, like all Trump supporters.
the fact that Trump is like Midas. Too bad you cant see all the good happening. Your distorted beliefs don't change the facts no matter what you think.
 

dank69

Lifer
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the fact that Trump is like Midas. Too bad you cant see all the good happening. Your distorted beliefs don't change the facts no matter what you think.
I see plenty of good happening, like plenty of Midas' friends getting indicted and pleading guilty and convictions and jail time and even more investigations starting and soon a House controlled by filthy liberals who can really put the screws to King Midas.
 
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