Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Gigantopithecus]

There's a big ol' honking gap between believing rumors and knowing facts. There's a reason that hearsay is not allowed in criminal proceedings.

Punishing people based on hearsay is simply unAmerican.

We're not talking about criminal proceedings, are we? Sandusky's been convicted, the perjurers will be prosecuted, and JoePa is beyond the reach of the long arm of the law. We're talking about what the NCAA needs to do to combat what was/is very obviously a culture of corruption.

Firing even 100% of those directly responsible does not absolve a school of lack of institutional control. If what happened at PSU isn't lack of institutional control, what is?

 

[GrumpyMan]

I'm all for letting the powers that be make their own decisions on how best to handle the situation. Everyone is anxious to the look like the good guy and root out evil and corruption at Penn State. I'm saying disbanding the program, without trying to root out and punish those who actually helped the guy, is wrong. Punish individuals instead of saying everyone is guilty and everyone has to suffer.

Everyone is guilty, there are no more innocents in America, everyone should be punished because football is revered and all of football should be shut down because it is now more important than humans. You should be run out of this country because you too are an enabler.

 

[DrunkenSano]

If you do not punish the program, you are sending this message out to the country. Basically, you should walk around with your ears covered and eyes closed, because if something terrible happens, only those directly involved will be punished, your precious football program will remain untouched, no matter how bad it is. So instead of people being vigilant that is in the program or related to the program, they just turn a blind eye and not want to get involved because they don't want to harm the program, allowing sick crap like this to continue which is what exactly happened at PSU. If this mentality doesn't change, it will only get worse and worse.

 

[zinfamous]

I concur, disband the game of football. It encourages young men to rape.

you are pretty thick, aren't you?

It's the value people have ascribed to this culture that must be protected. Football happens to be that culture, and a rather meaningless one at that, which makes this issue all the more offensive.

punishment--being raped by a dirty old man and having superiors protect him for it.

punishment--some fans losing their precious football team for a few years?

 

[sixone]

We're not talking about criminal proceedings, are we? Sandusky's been convicted, the perjurers will be prosecuted, and JoePa is beyond the reach of the long arm of the law. We're talking about what the NCAA needs to do to combat what was/is very obviously a culture of corruption.

Firing even 100% of those directly responsible does not absolve a school of lack of institutional control. If what happened at PSU isn't lack of institutional control, what is?

If you support guilt by association, then you're free to behave accordingly. The NCAA should hold itself to a higher standard.

 

[zinfamous]

Football is on a pedestal at a lot of schools. Protecting rapists and pedos is bad, liking football is not.

I agree.

But protecting what you like in the interest of protecting pedos is actually quite bad, though.


keep playing this game if you want, though.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

If you do not punish the program, you are sending this message out to the country. Basically, you should walk around with your ears covered and eyes closed, because if something terrible happens, only those directly involved will be punished, your precious football program will remain untouched, no matter how bad it is. So instead of people being vigilant that is in the program or related to the program, they just turn a blind eye and not want to get involved because they don't want to harm the program, allowing sick crap like this to continue which is what exactly happened at PSU. If this mentality doesn't change, it will only get worse and worse.

What? If you punish the program as opposed to just the individuals, it sends the message "if you report this, your football team will be taken away." If you only punish the individuals, it gives a stronger incentive to report it since you know that the football program itself will be allowed to continue.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Everyone is guilty, there are no more innocents in America, everyone should be punished because football is revered and all of football should be shut down because it is now more important than humans. You should be run out of this country because you too are an enabler.

Can I take my dog with me?

 

[zinfamous]

I'm all for letting the powers that be make their own decisions on how best to handle the situation. Everyone is anxious to the look like the good guy and root out evil and corruption at Penn State. I'm saying disbanding the program, without trying to root out and punish those who actually helped the guy, is wrong. Punish individuals instead of saying everyone is guilty and everyone has to suffer.

those few individuals were protecting what they valued as power, money, entertainment, prestige, etc.

if they did not think any of this was at stake, then why would they protect it?

what, then, should happen, when their crimes are exposed? allow their protection to continue?

 

[Miramonti]

There's a big ol' honking gap between believing rumors and knowing facts. There's a reason that hearsay is not allowed in criminal proceedings.

Punishing people based on hearsay is simply unAmerican.

I don't think anyone is getting punished for hearsay. There appears to be plenty of evidence of a coverup at the highest levels, info we'll soon find out more about when these trials start. These people represented the institution, and it appears it wasn't just one rogue individual. Soon it will be time for the corrupt institution to bend over and take one for the gipper, and that's the way it should be.

With no accountability, things repeat themselves.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

If you support guilt by association, then you're free to behave accordingly. The NCAA should hold itself to a higher standard.

Another disingenuous non-answer. You must be a lawyer or politician.

"Lack of institutional control" is NCAA-speak for 'this is a shitshow and we don't want it smearing the facade.' If SMU gets the death penalty for paying players, then PSU gets the death penalty for its head coach and other staffers covering up a child rapist. It really is as simple as that; sorry it's apparently beyond your comprehension.

 

[sixone]

those few individuals were protecting what they valued as power, money, entertainment, prestige, etc.

if they did not think any of this was at stake, then why would they protect it?

what, then, should happen, when their crimes are exposed? allow their protection to continue?

None of those individuals have any power or prestige, anymore. The outcome is the same as if they'd spoken out themselves.

They're not getting any protection, now.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What? If you punish the program as opposed to just the individuals, it sends the message "if you report this, your football team will be taken away." If you only punish the individuals, it gives a stronger incentive to report it since you know that the football program itself will be allowed to continue.

Much depends on how important one views the program vs the welfare.

the program/institution created the culture and needs to be punished for it.

Just like a corporation - it gets fined as wells as the leadership. The fine is essentially against the stockholders - those that have a vested interest in the company. They are penalized for allowing such poor leadership.

With the football program, the leadership has been punished; now the program/institution/stockholders have to be penalized for allow such a situation to fester and not do anything.

 

[sixone]

I don't think anyone is getting punished for hearsay. There appears to be plenty of evidence of a coverup at the highest levels, info we'll soon find out more about when these trials start. These people represented the institution, and it appears it wasn't just one rogue individual. Soon it will be time for the corrupt institution to bend over and take one for the gipper, and that's the way it should be.

With no accountability, things repeat themselves.

Those individuals should and will be held accountable for their own choices, and will serve as an example to everyone else.

There's no need to punish anyone else.

 

[preslove]

I love all the penn state defenders.

If a coach covers up for a booster paying players? Bring the hammer down.

If a coach, AD, and University president covers up for another coach raping children? "Whatever you do, don't hurt the fans!!!!!!!"

You all are disgusting.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

those few individuals were protecting what they valued as power, money, entertainment, prestige, etc.

if they did not think any of this was at stake, then why would they protect it?

what, then, should happen, when their crimes are exposed? allow their protection to continue?

Punish them for their crimes? How does shutting down the football program do anything to punish Sandusky, who will spend the rest of his life in prison, or Paterno, who is dead? Who really gets punished when the football program is shut down? The "culture?" Well what the hell does that accomplish?

Punish the people who committed the acts and the people who covered it up. Get some new positions in place to act as oversight; people who don't give two shits about football if you're worried about their ethics. But don't punish the students who just want an opportunity to play. That's needlessly punitive on people who had exactly zero to do with the scandal.

 

[preslove]

Those individuals should and will be held accountable for their own choices, and will serve as an example to everyone else.

There's no need to punish anyone else.

Then the NCAA WOULD NEVER PUNISH ANYONE, YOU IDIOT.

 

[sixone]

Another disingenuous non-answer. You must be a lawyer or politician.

"Lack of institutional control" is NCAA-speak for 'this is a shitshow and we don't want it smearing the facade.' If SMU gets the death penalty for paying players, then PSU gets the death penalty for its head coach and other staffers covering up a child rapist. It really is as simple as that; sorry it's apparently beyond your comprehension.

What seems to be beyond your comprehension is that the NCAA was supposed to have oversight of PSU's program. They've failed every bit as much as PSU did, and no amount of penalties at this point is going to cover that up.

Unless maybe you're going to claim that the NCAA doesn't have any responsibility, because they didn't know what was going on at PSU.

 

[Miramonti]

Those individuals should and will be held accountable for their own choices, and will serve as an example to everyone else.

There's no need to punish anyone else.

You can name them and isolate them from the university all you want but it won't remove the responsibility from the university. When civil cases are addressed, the university will be writing the checks to the victims, not the penn state individuals that are no longer there. Why? Because the school had a responsibility in all of this and failed miserably. The ncaa is responsible for holding the universities accountable, not just weeding out the bad apples.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Can I take my dog with me?

NO! Your dog will be barbequed and eaten...... D:

 

[sixone]

Then the NCAA WOULD NEVER PUNISH ANYONE, YOU IDIOT.

Are you claiming that the NCAA exists only to punish people? If they failed to monitor a sports program that was directly under their oversight, who's going to punish the NCAA?

 

[preslove]

What seems to be beyond your comprehension is that the NCAA was supposed to have oversight of PSU's program. They've failed every bit as much as PSU did, and no amount of penalties at this point is going to cover that up.

Unless maybe you're going to claim that the NCAA doesn't have any responsibility, because they didn't know what was going on at PSU.

You have no fucking clue how the NCAA works.

The NCAA is a group that has membership rules. If you break those rules, they punish their members.

Jesus christ, you clearly are just a fucking idiot with no moral compass.

 

[sixone]

You can name them and isolate them from the university all you want but it won't remove the responsibility from the university. When civil cases are addressed, the university will be writing the checks to the victims, not the penn state individuals that are no longer there. Why? Because the school had a responsibility in all of this and failed miserably. The ncaa is responsible for holding the universities accountable, not just weeding out the bad apples.

The school doesn't have responsibility for jack. The school is an inanimate object, which is manipulated by PEOPLE, who should be held accountable for their choices.

Trying to punish people who had no knowledge or power over the situation is needlessly vindictive. It doesn't help anyone, in the long run.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Another disingenuous non-answer. You must be a lawyer or politician.

"Lack of institutional control" is NCAA-speak for 'this is a shitshow and we don't want it smearing the facade.' If SMU gets the death penalty for paying players, then PSU gets the death penalty for its head coach and other staffers covering up a child rapist. It really is as simple as that; sorry it's apparently beyond your comprehension.

There was player involvement at SMU, I see no allegations that any players participated in the cover up.

 

[sixone]

You have no fucking clue how the NCAA works.

The NCAA is a group that has membership rules. If you break those rules, they punish their members.

Jesus christ, you clearly are just a fucking idiot with no moral compass.

So the NCAA isn't supposed to know what's going on at the programs under their aegis, until things go public? They aren't obligated to know or act until after the fact?