Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[rchiu]

This issue goes beyond serious business or organization. This goes to the very core of society itself and what your moral and legal obligations are to your fellow human being, ESPECIALLY a young child who can't defend him/herself. This is basically called doing the RIGHT thing. Those that use the "corporate" channels excuse are just trying to justify their inaction as is the case right now with Penn State. There's a difference between the corporate culture and the human culture and that chasm is what is causing a degradation in our current society's morals. Everyone has to cya right? Bullshit. I respect JP as a coach, but his lack of action is a failure of his on a moral level, which has legal implications. Your logic is quite sickening tbh. This has nothing to do with his standing as one of footballs greats and more of his poor decision making and refusal to accept that one of HIS guys was fucking a small kid.

Your argument has no problem until you realize that you are innocent until proven guilty, even for child molester or rapist. Until someone is proven guilty, the accusation has huge impact on someone's reputation and personal privacy. Any investigation for this has to be done delicately and carefully.

That's why in corporation and organizations have professionals to deal with these type of situation, that's why the "corporate" channel exists and you are wrong, it's not an excuse, it's there for a reason.

 

[HendrixFan]

Your argument has no problem until you realize that you are innocent until proven guilty, even for child molester or rapist. Until someone is proven guilty, the accusation has huge impact on someone's reputation and personal privacy. Any investigation for this has to be done delicately and carefully.

You let the courts decide innocent and guilty, but when you run a program like Penn State's athletics, public perception is very important. Given everything we have seen, it would take an extraordinary set of coincidences for there to have been no coverup going on. Gross incompetence of job duties is something you don't need a court to decide, and everyone who is getting the axe (more than just Paterno) can certainly lay claim to that.

 

[rchiu]

wouldn't a reasonable person make a phone call, say a week after reporting something like, and ask "so hey, what's the deal with that thing I reported last week?"

Maybe he did or maybe he got it from McQueary that those administrators kicked Sandusky off the campus locker (where the incident happened), and that they cannot put a case forward and continue to investigate because they couldn't id the victim.

 

[rchiu]

You let the courts decide innocent and guilty, but when you run a program like Penn State's athletics, public perception is very important. Given everything we have seen, it would take an extraordinary set of coincidences for there to have been no coverup going on. Gross incompetence of job duties is something you don't need a court to decide, and everyone who is getting the axe (more than just Paterno) can certainly lay claim to that.

Cover up for what? for Christ's sake, Sandusky retired after 1999. Why should Penn State covered for someone not even working there anymore.

The board of trustee axed people to stop the bleeding, to find scapegoat. But it's a bad decision - like you said, it only fuel conspiracy theory like there is anything bigger.

 

[rasczak]

Your argument has no problem until you realize that you are innocent until proven guilty, even for child molester or rapist. Until someone is proven guilty, the accusation has huge impact on someone's reputation and personal privacy. Any investigation for this has to be done delicately and carefully.

That's why in corporation and organizations have professionals to deal with these type of situation, that's why the "corporate" channel exists and you are wrong, it's not an excuse, it's there for a reason.

We are not arguing who's guilty or who's not. We are arguing about why there was no follow up to a child molestation. Why was there such a large cover up by those in charge who you are so eager to confide in regarding the accusation. For such a serious accusation, the police is THE only authority to go to. Not "proper" channels. If the accusations are baseless and he is found innocent then he's innocent. That is not HR or the AD's position to decide. If the issue were a company problem, of course I can see going through proper company channels. BUT THIS IS CHILD MOLESTATION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS NOT A COMPANY ISSUE.

 

[HendrixFan]

Cover up for what? for Christ's sake, Sandusky retired after 1999. Why should Penn State covered for someone not even working there anymore.

Because he was still using his connects through the university and university property to rape little boys. What do you think we have been talking about the last few days?

 

[rasczak]

Cover up for what? for Christ's sake, Sandusky retired after 1999. Why should Penn State covered for someone not even working there anymore.

The board of trustee axed people to stop the bleeding, to find scapegoat. But it's a bad decision - like you said, it only fuel conspiracy theory like there is anything bigger.

Now you're answering your own question here. He retired in '99, the incident happened in 2001 or 2002 after he retired, so no longer a part of the "company". He's private citizen. Hence the police should definitely have been contacted regarding his purported actions.

 

[rchiu]

Now you're answering your own question here. He retired in '99, the incident happened in 2001 or 2002 after he retired, so no longer a part of the "company". He's private citizen. Hence the police should definitely have been contacted regarding his purported actions.

Well why don't you bash McQueary for not going to the police and going through the company channel then? I mean he is the first to witness the incident right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, he is not famous enough for you to bash or have a conspiracy theory.

 

[zinfamous]

Well why don't you bash McQueary for not going to the police and going through the company channel then? I mean he is the first to witness the incident right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, he is not famous enough for you to bash or have a conspiracy theory.

Huh?

The coverup conspiracy detailed in the 5 year GJ testimony?

is that the one you're referring to?

... ....

The rapist was using the grounds after he was "disciplined."

After, as you have so clearly stated, everyone--including your saint, JoePa--were convinced that "the matter had been dealt with."

You've already asked about the legal, corporate issues that everyone met, and already know that these were met. So, why then do you ignore the fact that the rapist continued to appear, on campus, from where he was banned (the sum total of his known discipline), and rape children for a decade after your "proper channels" were met?

Why did you saint, JoPa, who so wonderfully accepted the initial disciplinary action, allow the rapist to ignore that disciplinary action (banned from PSU), for a decade?

Why?

WHY?

do you even understand the issue?

 

[a123456]

Well why don't you bash McQueary for not going to the police and going through the company channel then? I mean he is the first to witness the incident right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, he is not famous enough for you to bash or have a conspiracy theory.

Eh? From all the talking heads around, McQueary is getting bashed to here and back. JoeP, out of everyone involved, probably gets the lightest slap on the wrist even if we don't know exactly how much or what he knew. IMO, I think he knew more than he's saying because he's like Steve Jobs at Apple, face of the school and defacto president. They were going to replace him at age 73 but he had the pull to stay on 11 more years. Most likely, at age 84, they wouldn't have renewed his contract (or given him a token short contract) so he loses a few months worth of wages and still has the support of most of the student body at Penn State. He has millions in the bank and he doesn't need another job.

All the other guys, the AD, the president, McQueary, etc., they're unemployable for life. McQueary can't get fired while he's a state's witness but I bet after the trial is over, he's fired too. They already banned him from the football games so it's not like he has an active role anymore.

 

[rchiu]

Huh?

The coverup conspiracy detailed in the 5 year GJ testimony?

is that the one you're referring to?

... ....

The rapist was using the grounds after he was "disciplined."

After, as you have so clearly stated, everyone--including your saint, JoePa--were convinced that "the matter had been dealt with."

You've already asked about the legal, corporate issues that everyone met, and already know that these were met. So, why then do you ignore the fact that the rapist continued to appear, on campus, from where he was banned (the sum total of his known discipline), and rape children for a decade after your "proper channels" were met?

Why did you saint, JoPa, who so wonderfully accepted the initial disciplinary action, allow the rapist to ignore that disciplinary action (banned from PSU), for a decade?

Why?

WHY?

do you even understand the issue?

How is it JoePa's responsibility? He didn't witness the incident. He was told ONCE of the incident. he took it right away to the people with the responsibility, people charged by the school to deal with incident like that. He is a football coach. he doesn't monitor who is on campus, who should be on campus or who should not. Unlike you guys sitting in front of PC all day, he got games to prepare every damn week. He is not the state prosecutor, he doesn't dealt out sentences, he doesn't see the sentences are enforced. Why is everyone putting the blame on him? Because McQueary told him the incident? What about everyone else McQueary talked to? His parents, friends, associates, anyone went to the police? or you believe JoePa is the only person McQueary talked to. Pennsylvania police and the grand jury already said JoePa followed the rule and the law. But no, he gotta be guilty, gotta have some conspiracy and cover up, gotta be protecting his pal.

Where is the Centre-county prosecution when they have the witness, the boy and the mother filing a charge against Sandusky, the interview with Sandusky admitting he was wrong, phone tapping Sandusky saying he made a mistake? No Charge there. No one said anything about conspiracy, protecting pal. But oh when it's JoePa with one conversation, second hand info, no victim, he must take on the whole responsibility to bring down this child molestor.

I understand the issue all too well. He is famous, he is an easy target, he gets smeared and put down. You people enjoy bashing famous people, make you guys feel good like you are better than them.

Outrage my @ss.....what a joke.

 

[Zebo]

The Feds should be in on this. Joe runs that town, the police, that county, and much of that part of state it's ridiculous to say he reported it to his "superiors" (as if there is such a thing for him) while making every effort to grant his fired/retired pedophile coach continuous access with young boys. It's a cover up and grand jury saw through the AD and VPs bullshit but who put them up to it? Joe Paterno.

That McQueery needs to go down as well. If I walk in on a ass raping of a child they would not be getting in the back of a police car but ambulance. At the very least call the cops right then. Either way he let this continue for years and not make waves in exchange for a assist coaching job.

In some jurisdictions, RICO suits have been filed against Catholic dioceses, same thing needs to happen here.

 

[hclarkjr]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...e-Paterno-reportedly-approaches-lawyer-111011

bet charges are coming his way next

 

[shocksyde]

This story is bringing out the idiots in full force.

Here's the bottom line: ANYONE who knew ANYTHING about alleged child RAPE and did not report it to the police needs to go NOW. Not after the football season. NOW.

There is NO OTHER WAY to look at it. Every single person who said nothing allowed more innocent boys to be raped. They allowed it to continue. They are responsible.

 

[wkabel23]

It's just hilarious how quickly the kool-aid drinkers from PSU label JoePa as a great man, a great moral authority who always does what's right. Oh wait, he heard about a 55 year old man showering with a 10 year old and it involved "touching" or "fondling"? That's not his responsibility!!!!!! Moral authority be damned!

 

[wkabel23]

How is it JoePa's responsibility? He didn't witness the incident. He was told ONCE of the incident. he took it right away to the people with the responsibility, people charged by the school to deal with incident like that. He is a football coach. he doesn't monitor who is on campus, who should be on campus or who should not. Unlike you guys sitting in front of PC all day, he got games to prepare every damn week. He is not the state prosecutor, he doesn't dealt out sentences, he doesn't see the sentences are enforced. Why is everyone putting the blame on him? Because McQueary told him the incident? What about everyone else McQueary talked to? His parents, friends, associates, anyone went to the police? or you believe JoePa is the only person McQueary talked to. Pennsylvania police and the grand jury already said JoePa followed the rule and the law. But no, he gotta be guilty, gotta have some conspiracy and cover up, gotta be protecting his pal.

Where is the Centre-county prosecution when they have the witness, the boy and the mother filing a charge against Sandusky, the interview with Sandusky admitting he was wrong, phone tapping Sandusky saying he made a mistake? No Charge there. No one said anything about conspiracy, protecting pal. But oh when it's JoePa with one conversation, second hand info, no victim, he must take on the whole responsibility to bring down this child molestor.

I understand the issue all too well. He is famous, he is an easy target, he gets smeared and put down. You people enjoy bashing famous people, make you guys feel good like you are better than them.

Outrage my @ss.....what a joke.

You don't seem to understand that when you hold yourself out as bigger than the University or as a moral leader for students, athletes, everyone and their mother, etc. "it's not his responsibility" doesn't cut it. Great people often address matters outside their responsibility because they're not afraid of garbage corporate lines/hierarchy. It's about doing the right thing. When you see/learn of a wrong you deal with it.

Obviously people are railing on JoePa because of his stature. That's the whole point. Who denied the culpability of others involved? Was anyone else involved the larger than life figure that was Paterno? Your intense love for JoePa and head in the sand denial of his responsibility, despite some terrible shortcomings in this incident (which he has vaguely admitted to), is as bad as those who say it's all Paterno's fault.

 

[slayer202]

This story is bringing out the idiots in full force.

Here's the bottom line: ANYONE who knew ANYTHING about alleged child RAPE and did not report it to the police needs to go NOW. Not after the football season. NOW.

There is NO OTHER WAY to look at it. Every single person who said nothing allowed more innocent boys to be raped. They allowed it to continue. They are responsible.

^ This. It really is that simple.

 

[rasczak]

Well why don't you bash McQueary for not going to the police and going through the company channel then? I mean he is the first to witness the incident right?

Oh yeah, I forgot, he is not famous enough for you to bash or have a conspiracy theory.

Everyone is getting what's coming to them in this matter. I'm not doing any JP bashing, I am simply stating that for those two (JP and McQ) they SHOULD have done more to protect society from a horrible person by contacting authorities. It was a mistake that basically cost them their honor and for mcq probably any future employment as a coach.

 

[roguerower]

This story is bringing out the idiots in full force.

Here's the bottom line: ANYONE who knew ANYTHING about alleged child RAPE and did not report it to the police needs to go NOW. Not after the football season. NOW.

There is NO OTHER WAY to look at it. Every single person who said nothing allowed more innocent boys to be raped. They allowed it to continue. They are responsible.

+2

 

[SP33Demon]

I have addressed this n-pages ago. Go ask anyone who works for a serious business or organization. When you are a manager not dealing with HR/Personnel, and someone report to you he witnessed for example, sexual harassment, you would report to the HR/administrative division and let them handle it every single time. Anyone who doesn't live in his mother's basement would understand this.

But who cares about the facts. JoePa is a figure in football, an easy target now. Like I said already, losers want to bash good people to feel better about their pathetic life, what else are we gonna do.

Wrong. If I saw one of my employees (I'm a supervisor btw) raping a boy in the men's room, I'd be calling the police. Furthermore, if someone told me they witnessed it, I'd be calling the police as well. Of course HR would know about it too, but you can damn well be sure that the alleged perp would be immediately taken away by the police THAT DAY.

Are you slow or something?

 

[SP33Demon]

Eh? From all the talking heads around, McQueary is getting bashed to here and back. JoeP, out of everyone involved, probably gets the lightest slap on the wrist even if we don't know exactly how much or what he knew. IMO, I think he knew more than he's saying because he's like Steve Jobs at Apple, face of the school and defacto president. They were going to replace him at age 73 but he had the pull to stay on 11 more years. Most likely, at age 84, they wouldn't have renewed his contract (or given him a token short contract) so he loses a few months worth of wages and still has the support of most of the student body at Penn State. He has millions in the bank and he doesn't need another job.

Jopa will be a pauper after the civil suits are finished with him.

 

[alien42]

This story is bringing out the idiots in full force.

rchiu is the only one i've seen in this thread, only one idiot here isn't that bad.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

wow rchiu. just wow.

 

[Miramonti]

People have a right to their opinions, and that's something that helps make our country so great. Unfortunately those opinions are also what helps make our country such a cesspool at times.

 

[DrunkenSano]

It's idiots like rchiu why our country is in such a shitty state. I can't believe you have people excusing others just because they weren't watching the rapist molest little boys with his own two eyes. rchiu, seriously, are you messed up in the head?

Joe Pa had knowledge of what was going on, passing the buck on is not the way to handle a child rape situation. If you think it is, then you are either messed up in the head or a complete moron. When you hear about something like a kid getting raped in your god damn facility you do whatever is in your power to get to the bottom of it. That includes going to the police, not send a memo to your boss going, 'Hey boss, some guy is rapin kids in here. Just a FYI.' then go back to football.

Take some god damn responsibility. Joe Pa wasn't some janitor at Pedo State, even if he was, he is still obligated to do whatever he can to ensure the police keep the child rapist as far away from kids as possible.