Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Miramonti]

And yet you want to punish everyone at PSU, regardless of whether they knew or had any power to act on that knowledge. Hypocritical much?

Sanctions won't punish everyone, only the University, which is an "inanimate object", remember? As well as some individuals who will no longer be there.

If this punishment affects students or the community indirectly, that's Penn State letting them down, not the ncaa.

 

[waggy]

You have no fucking clue how the NCAA works.

The NCAA is a group that has membership rules. If you break those rules, they punish their members.

Jesus christ, you clearly are just a fucking idiot with no moral compass.

arguing with Six is insane. really save your keyboard.

What? If you punish the program as opposed to just the individuals, it sends the message "if you report this, your football team will be taken away." If you only punish the individuals, it gives a stronger incentive to report it since you know that the football program itself will be allowed to continue.

No if htey punish Penn state it sends the message "you hide something like this you will be fucked. we will nuke you from orbit."

 

[Atomic Playboy]

PENN STATE ADMINISTRATION HAD THE POWER TO ACT!

They didn't. For years. The person showing their true colors is you.

So punish the people who knew about it and covered it up. Spanier and McQueary aren't at Penn State any more, so leveling sanctions against the school doesn't touch them AT ALL. Curley and Schultz are facing their own criminal charges. So who exactly gets punished by NCAA sanctions?

 

[preslove]

Is his statue still standing? Seriously, stop posting on this subject. A state institution allowed children to be raped and did nothing to stop it. The institution and the people involved need to be punished.

But, sixone won't be able to watch her team on Saturdays!!!!!!! How unjust. Someone really should think about the Penn State fans and how horrible it would be to miss 2 seasons and have their team suffer...

 

[sixone]

PENN STATE ADMINISTRATION HAD THE POWER TO ACT!

They didn't. For years. The person showing their true colors is you.

So did the NCAA. What did they do? Please be specific, so that you can show everyone here what a genius you are.

 

[zinfamous]

Look up the 'open joke' about Sandusky. Assuming that reporter isn't flat-out lying, who didn't know?

I remember the week that this story broke (the 2011 reporting--the time of this thread), One of the internal PSU journalists (don't remember her name, but she was a PSU alum and had spent about 8 or so years covering PSU football for regional and national sports programs), mentioned the open secret about Sandusky. It was, apparently, something that was rather well-known within the PSU organization and other members of the conference.

 

[preslove]

So punish the people who knew about it and covered it up. Spanier and McQueary aren't at Penn State any more, so leveling sanctions against the school doesn't touch them AT ALL. Curley and Schultz are facing their own criminal charges. So who exactly gets punished by NCAA sanctions?

Again, carrying your stupid point to its logical conclusion would mean that the NCAA would never punish a program. Why are you upset about this issue and not Ohio State getting fucked over because their coach covered up for players selling merch?

 

[Onita]

So punish the people who knew about it and covered it up. Spanier and McQueary aren't at Penn State any more, so leveling sanctions against the school doesn't touch them AT ALL. Curley and Schultz are facing their own criminal charges. So who exactly gets punished by NCAA sanctions?

That's not the way NCAA sanctions work.

 

[zinfamous]

Can you be 100% sure they fired every that was involved?

no, she can't. Curly hasn't been fired, for one.

 

[sixone]

Is his statue still standing? Seriously, stop posting on this subject. A state institution allowed children to be raped and did nothing to stop it. The institution and the people involved need to be punished.

If you want to punish an institution, you ought to be able to show that the institution made a choice or took an action.

I'm all for punishing the people who made those choices or took/failed to take actions that maintained the status quo.

Punishing innocent individuals is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

 

[preslove]

So did the NCAA. .

What? LOL

lol

lol


God damn, you are a fucking idiot.

 

[sixone]

But, sixone won't be able to watch her team on Saturdays!!!!!!! How unjust. Someone really should think about the Penn State fans and how horrible it would be to miss 2 seasons and have their team suffer...

"My team"? Where did you get that from?

How about you start supporting your opinion with logic and reason, instead of false assumptions and insults?

 

[zinfamous]

What? If you punish the program as opposed to just the individuals, it sends the message "if you report this, your football team will be taken away." If you only punish the individuals, it gives a stronger incentive to report it since you know that the football program itself will be allowed to continue.

what happened here is that PSU did not report this

the message is: "If you shelter heinous criminals and subvert justice, you will lose your football team."

 

[zinfamous]

None of those individuals have any power or prestige, anymore. The outcome is the same as if they'd spoken out themselves.

They're not getting any protection, now.

they were protecting the program, not themselves.

do try to keep up.

 

[sixone]

I remember the week that this story broke (the 2011 reporting--the time of this thread), One of the internal PSU journalists (don't remember her name, but she was a PSU alum and had spent about 8 or so years covering PSU football for regional and national sports programs), mentioned the open secret about Sandusky. It was, apparently, something that was rather well-known within the PSU organization and other members of the conference.

And somehow magically the NCAA never heard about it? How are they any less obligated to act than the school was?

If the program should be punished, so should the NCAA.

 

[waggy]

If you want to punish an institution, you ought to be able to show that the institution made a choice or took an action.

I'm all for punishing the people who made those choices or took/failed to take actions that maintained the status quo.

Punishing innocent individuals is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

I have been saying that i am not for punishing the football kids. they didn't do nothing.

yet..this is fucking idiotic.

The heads of the football program KNEW that he was molesting kids. JOPA talked the college out of calling the police. They then went about hiding it and not notifying the police etc

the instition has done wrong. THE NCAA can and will punish them.

 

[Miramonti]

And somehow magically the NCAA never heard about it? How are they any less obligated to act than the school was?

If the program should be punished, so should the NCAA.

If you're going to implicate the NCAA in this now, atleast refer to some proof.

 

[sixone]

I have been saying that i am not for punishing the football kids. they didn't do nothing.

yet..this is fucking idiotic.

The heads of the football program KNEW that he was molesting kids. JOPA talked the college out of calling the police. They then went about hiding it and not notifying the police etc

the instition has done wrong. THE NCAA can and will punish them.

The institution didn't do jack. The people running the institution did, and those people should be punished to the full extent of criminal and civil penalties.

But it should end there.

 

[zinfamous]

What's going over your head is that the program HAS BEEN affected, and will continue to be affected for the foreseeable future.

Coaches gone, a permanent stain on PSU as a whole, not just the football program, and civil and criminal liabilities.

Put all the sanctions you want on people who failed to fulfill their legal and moral obligations. But leave everyone else alone. How hard is that to understand?

how hard is it for you to understand that by using your logic, the message that is sent is only a few will be punished--your program will remain intact. carry on--we'll be around to punish accordingly the next time this happens.

The fact is this: those involved knew what they were protecting and knew what was at stake. Obviously you do not.

 

[Capt Caveman]

If you want to punish an institution, you ought to be able to show that the institution made a choice or took an action.

I'm all for punishing the people who made those choices or took/failed to take actions that maintained the status quo.

Punishing innocent individuals is wrong, no matter how you dress it up.

Those individuals represented the institution. Individuals that were trying to protect the institution that allowed a child rapist to continue his rampage for another ten years. Thus the institution is to blame for this child rapist not to be caught for another ten year. THE INSTITUTION.

It's ignorant mindsets like yours, why the punishment needs to be so harsh b/c people like you don't get it.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Again, carrying your stupid point to its logical conclusion would mean that the NCAA would never punish a program. Why are you upset about this issue and not Ohio State getting fucked over because their coach covered up for players selling merch?

First, because the only sanction the NCAA could reasonably use in this situation is the death penalty. There's no other option. It's either "this was so horrific that this program needs to take a year or two off," or "we'll let the courts punish the criminal acts." There's no middle ground when you're talking about child rape. And the death penalty would destroy the football program for decades. It probably wouldn't be as bad as SMU since PSU is so much larger, but it's still a nuclear option that really shouldn't be used ever. I mean, what else could you do? Take away Bowl games? People would be saying the punishment wasn't severe enough.

Second, I don't think the NCAA is really set up well to administer punishments for these situations. What happened with USC is a good example; Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush violated the rules, and the school was punished after they both had moved on to greener pastures in the NFL. The NCAA sanctions did literally NOTHING to the people who were responsible for the scandal, they only punished the people who were at the school when shit hit the fan. Similarly, any sanctions levied by the NCAA at PSU will do exactly NOTHING to the people who are responsible for the horrific crimes that transpired. We all agree something needs to happen, but the NCAA isn't set up to punish individuals, it's set up to punish organizations, and it's the decisions of individuals that really need to be addressed in this case. It makes no sense to punsih an orgnization of people who weren't involved with the crimes that occurred. But that's all the NCAA is set up to do.

 

[sixone]

If you're going to implicate the NCAA in this now, atleast refer to some proof.

I've got the same kind of proof as I asked for earlier: statements made by the SCHOOL, as opposed to statements made by individuals representing the school.

Oh yeah...there aren't any.

So if we're going to create punishments without any proof, let's do it right.

 

[zinfamous]

Is the NCAA better equipped to punish people who break the law than the courts? Now that Sandusky is in prison forever and Paterno is dead, who is left to punish? Other people who engaged in the cover-up, sure, which is a legal matter. Who gets punished by sanctions against the football program? Is it the people who broke the law, people who don't even have their jobs at Penn State anymore? Or is it the students on the team who were 10 years old when the crimes happened? After seeing what happened with SMU, are we really so eager to throw down a death penalty, knowing that it completely devastates the athletic program when it's used?

The AD at PSU violated the NCAA's mentorship and leadership clause.

This is explicitly where the NCAA can come down on PSU.

 

[waggy]

The institution didn't do jack. The people running the institution did, and those people should be punished to the full extent of criminal and civil penalties.

But it should end there.

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you are hopeless. you have to be trolling. i didn't think you were that ignorant. but heck i been wrong before.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

they were protecting the program, not themselves.

do try to keep up.

And by extension, themselves actually. Do you think they would have protected the program unless they had a vested interest in it? They were also protecting one of their own. It's not like they fired him and told him to go far away.