Pentium 5? AMD has Hammer in production already

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: DeepBlueJH
all this talk will mean nothing when the actual chips come out...

Good perspective

Strictly for the record, the German site's comparison used a non-A 1.6GHz P4, not a Northwood.

 

[DeepBlueJH]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: DeepBlueJH
all this talk will mean nothing when the actual chips come out...

Good perspective

Strictly for the record, the German site's comparison used a non-A 1.6GHz P4, not a Northwood.

I figure why talk about it now... not like its gonna change anything...
what do you have to gain? make other ppl think you are smart? hmm..

 

[CrawlingEye]

A couple things:

Steve (SSXeon) all ready made posts showing pictures of live Prescotts in reference boards.
Search for it, if you want.

Granite bay won't be a Prescott chipset, it's intended for the P4's, as a workstation mobo.
It'll be expensive and late. Springdale will be released originally as DC DDR (first Intel DC DDR desktop chipset) as well as later being re-released with DDR-II capabilities. Springdale will be a Prescott chipset.

 

[imgod2u]

Originally posted by: dude

Originally posted by: 7757524
Duvie is right. The hammer is rumored to launch at 1.6ghz only. <STRONG>Intel could easily launch a P4 at 3ghz now</STRONG> but it doesn't have to because it holds the lead with 2.53 and can charge full price for it. The Hammer will only ship to OEMs at the end of this year and will be available to consumers at the beginning of next year. Intel has so many things in the works that we've read about they can release by then. Among them are: 666mhz FSB 800mhz FSB Dual channel DDR333 to match the 666FSB Hyperthreading 1meg L2 cache .09U process Don't count Intel out just yet.

I highly doubt that they could do that. Look at the people with 2.5 Ghz processors. How many of them can easily reach 3 ghz? I'm not saying that they can't do it, but if they do do it, they'll have a whole new chapter to the P3 1.13ghz crumble.

Current P4 process isn't reliable up to 3 Ghz yet, otherwise they'd have these processors out already, being <STRONG>sold at $2000</STRONG>.

Vr-zone.com got their 2.53 to 3.2 GHz with an AVC Sunflower (air cooling). I think another site got somewhere around 3.2 GHz as well with air cooling. And the 2.53's are just the early releases of the B-stepping. I think it's safe to say 3 GHz is no problem. Not many people have 2.53's to compare average results but the fact that Intel demoed a fully working, air-cooled (using their retail cooling setup) P3 at 3 GHz and a watercooled 4.1 GHz P4 at IDF (which was months ago I think) says a lot.

 

[Duvie]

Not to mention that some of these 2.26b's are hitting 2.6-2.7ghz at default vcore...I am not sure where the 2.53's are hitting with default vcore, but it is obvious if intel wanted to release the 2.66ghz and 2.8ghz p4 they could do it now....

Where is the T-bred 2300,2400 and 2500+...i thought these damn things were supposed to be released rather fast??? I rarely see many 2200+, and unless no Anandtechers are buying them they must be the dogs the reviews were shaping them out to be...I hear nothing about them...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Not to mention that some of these 2.26b's are hitting 2.6-2.7ghz at default vcore...I am not sure where the 2.53's are hitting with default vcore, but it is obvious if intel wanted to release the 2.66ghz and 2.8ghz p4 they could do it now....

Where is the T-bred 2300,2400 and 2500+...i thought these damn things were supposed to be released rather fast??? I rarely see many 2200+, and unless no Anandtechers are buying them they must be the dogs the reviews were shaping them out to be...I hear nothing about them...

I'll call it "new product problems", but if they don't start showing up soon I might start getting worried.

 

[WarCon]

When Intel demonstrated Prescott, didn't it run at 4ghz to start. I am also curious what Netburst is all about? I think I understand Hyperthreading somewhat. Isn't it where the processor allows a dual processor enabled OS to view the processor as two separate processors. I am curious what benefits this will allow a single processor system. If I am wrong, please correct me because I would like to understand why this would be beneficial. If anyone knows what Netburst is can you explain it for me. Or is it just a name for how the processor is pipelined?

 

[jdurg]

I'm the type of person that never listens to any propaganda unless I'm getting ready to setup a new system, or if the product is already out. A good point was made earlier stating that these chips are so far away from release that much of what has been stated can change. There is nothing stopping Intel or AMD from making huge changes to what has been "leaked" already. Also, how many of us actually need more performance than we already have? Christ, my 1.8A is at 2.52 GHz and there is nothing out there that is taxing my system. Sure, I'm not getting 12000+ on 3DMark2001, but I don't live off of benchmarks. I live off of real world performance. I'm not going to notice a two second difference in DivX encoding or whatnot. In games, if the fps is over 30 frames per second, I can't tell a difference. So I'm not going to fuss over how I should upgrade my system when everything that I could want to run out there runs at full speed on what I have now. Sure the upgrade bug might hit me in the next couple years, but I'm not going to lose sleep over whether AMD or Intel has the fastest cpu/chipset. Whatever I feel like buying when I decide to upgrade is what I'm going to buy. I won't be making that decision, however, until it's time to buy the chip.

Just my two cents.

 

[WarCon]

But I want my computer to get so fast and be able to do so much that it becomes "conscious"........

My P4 just don't have those kind of muscles...........

 

[jdurg]

Originally posted by: WarCon
But I want my computer to get so fast and be able to do so much that it becomes "conscious"........

My P4 just don't have those kind of muscles...........

That will only happen when Intel launches the "Skynet" series of cpus.

 

[mechBgon]

Also, how many of us actually need more performance than we already have?

I could use more performance. I dabble with 3D modelling/animation as a hobby from time to time, and I've tied up my dual-P3 system for upwards of 24 hours at a time in non-stop rendering/animation sessions. 50GHz would not be overkill for that kind of work. Render farm, anyone?

 

[Duvie]

jdurg....You weren't poking fun at me were you with that divx comment??? Cause I have noticed 16minute improvement in video encoding portion only from 2.4ghz to 2.66ghz in my ocing adventures...that is more then mere seconds. Also I noticed near 1hr 40min improvement from 1.6 default and 2.66ghz....


Like the skynet comment...LOL

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: WarCon
When Intel demonstrated Prescott, didn't it run at 4ghz to start. I am also curious what Netburst is all about? I think I understand Hyperthreading somewhat. Isn't it where the processor allows a dual processor enabled OS to view the processor as two separate processors. I am curious what benefits this will allow a single processor system. If I am wrong, please correct me because I would like to understand why this would be beneficial. If anyone knows what Netburst is can you explain it for me. Or is it just a name for how the processor is pipelined?

Hyperthreading allows the cpu to read two threads of code at once, rather than reading one at a time.
As far as netburst is concerned, I'm not sure, I've honestly never heard of it before, then again... I'm not *too* familiar with the AMD camp.

 

[Duvie]

"netburst" is an Intel thing.....Will hyperthreading ever be enabled in desktop versions of the chip??? That is the question....


Rumors have it the celeron seems to be taking over the lower end northwoods so I expect something big from intel soon...They need to have a distinction between the 2 grades of chips...

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: Duvie
"netburst" is an Intel thing.....Will hyperthreading ever be enabled in desktop versions of the chip??? That is the question....


Rumors have it the celeron seems to be taking over the lower end northwoods so I expect something big from intel soon...They need to have a distinction between the 2 grades of chips...

Ah, I've never heard the term before, I'm not much into architecture, I just know what I need to know.

The P5 celery's will be northwood core, which should OC like mad. Even the P4 willy's seem to be OCing comparable to the P4 woody's, as far as I've heard. The Prescott will be desktop, not workstation, just so you know.

 

[imgod2u]

"Netburst" refers to the P7 core's 20-stage integer pipeline and even longer FP pipeline. Hyperthreading will be enabled in Prescott which will be both a desktop and workstation (and possibly even low-end server market) processor. So yes, HT will be used in the consumer market. What I'm wondering is whether Intel will put 6 decoding units on Prescott due to the fact that it is decoding 2 separate threads each with the ability to allow 3 x86 instructions to be decoded per clock. If so, that would make it a 6-way superscalar processor. That'd be sweet.

 

[Degenerate]

If you have read the patents rankings, AMD has generated more than intel for the last 3 years.... in 2000 and 2001 AMD generated more than 1000 patents each year. It was said also that 80% of those patents applied to the K8. Some of those patents were about dual cores and stuff like that. I honestly don't believe that a design wich has generated over 1000 patents will be just a souped up Athlon with SSE2, integrated memory controller and hypertransport.

The other more logical way of thinking is that Intel has already got the patents that AMD is now getting?

 

[CrawlingEye]

Thanks for the clarification, iamgod.

 

[jdurg]

Nah. I wasn't poking fun at you Duvie. I was just making a generalization about how some people will go and upgrade their system just to get another few seconds out of an encoding process. (And DivX encoding was the only thing my brain could think of at the moment. ) Those are the instances in which I have trouble understanding why people pay the big bucks for the upgrades just to get a small percentage increase in encoding times. Just doesn't make sense to me. (Probably because the most intensive tasks I do are arcade hardware emulation, which my system is VERY well capable of doing, and some limited 3D rendering which takes no time at all. )

Glad ya liked the Skynet comment. Scary thing is, with the speed of the processors that are coming out in the next four-five years, a self sustaining computer isn't too far off of an idea. :Q

 

[daywalker]

Personally i dont see how everyone expects AMD to tottaly crush Intel with its new Clawhammer processor. This is something much more than who has the most CPU muscle. Although i am an AMD user and have been very happy so far with my humble AMD Duron 1Ghz, i didnt and never liked AMD's so called PR Rating and i dont like the fact that the same thing will continue in the Clawhammer series.

Lets face it, there are a lot of people out there who dont know a thing about the industry like most of us in these forums do, people who see computers like coffee machines or dishwashers: As appliances that are supposed to do only one and specific thing. And that is the market that Intel is mostly targetting on, by showing off its "numbers" (meaning the Ghz count of its processors). And surprisingly, it pays off. Also AMD STILL hasnt discovered an effective marketing strategy to support its PR rating system. Unfortunately, even now "brainless" consumers (and there are a lot of them) still go for the processor with the most Ghz on it. I am amazed on how many adds i see on TV, showing an Intel system at 2.4Ghz for instance but in reality having it tottaly "crippled" when it comes to its other parts like motherboard/graphics card e.t.c. And yes, it is a cheap move towards the consumer who knows nothing... but hey... it brings profit to Intel. And profit is something that AMD is lacking according to what i read HERE

So to anyone who thinks that AMD will crush its competition next year, thing again. AMD may have the biggest muscle by then but nowdays everything relies on a proper marketing strategy. And AMD still hasnt figured out how that works.

 

[Chaotic42]

I have to say, this all seems kind of pointless. I mean, people rehashing things that they found on the internet, that were found by someone else, that were found by someone else.

I would wager that there are a few here who know what's really going on with these chips, but they can't talk.

 

[Duvie]

Good one, sherlock!!!

No kiddin...It is all speculation and likely the only ones who do know are covered by NDA's...We can only speculate based on what has been reported around the net...ie roadmaps and spec releases...

No one knows....Intel does not have to follow roadmap and could change it at a moments notice if they feel they need to go another route...Heck amd hasn't followed its roadmap over the last 6-9 months...

 

[Degenerate]

The inquirer reporst that a 2.8Ghz is coming in a few weeks. IF true, intel well be well through the 3.0Ghz by years end.

 

[sonoran]

Originally posted by: WarCon
I am also curious what Netburst is all about? I think I understand Hyperthreading somewhat. Isn't it where the processor allows a dual processor enabled OS to view the processor as two separate processors. I am curious what benefits this will allow a single processor system. If I am wrong, please correct me because I would like to understand why this would be beneficial. If anyone knows what Netburst is can you explain it for me. Or is it just a name for how the processor is pipelined?

Netburst is really a combination of architectural features, not a specific feature itself. For more info, you can look here Netburst.

For information on hyperthreading, you can look here hyperthreading. Or go here if you really want more info than the average schmo can digest <g> more hyperthreading. Given Paul Otellini's remark that "The significant jump in performance that this technology enables will enhance processors in all segments of the computing industry...", I think a reasonable person could infer that means it'll be coming to a desktop near you.

The other upcoming big thing that I haven't seen talked about here is PCI Express (formerly known as 3GIO). How does 4GB/sec throughput *each way* sound? Makes AGP8x look slow.

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: sonoran

Originally posted by: WarCon
I am also curious what Netburst is all about? I think I understand Hyperthreading somewhat. Isn't it where the processor allows a dual processor enabled OS to view the processor as two separate processors. I am curious what benefits this will allow a single processor system. If I am wrong, please correct me because I would like to understand why this would be beneficial. If anyone knows what Netburst is can you explain it for me. Or is it just a name for how the processor is pipelined?

Netburst is really a combination of architectural features, not a specific feature itself. For more info, you can look here Netburst.

Hrmm, gotcha. I was thinking Netburst is a capability of the cpu (ie: MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, etc)