^PENTIUM D^ CHEAP.........

[Zap]

Originally posted by: EKKC
i need to find me a dual processor board so i can build me a quad core rig for my home server!

Hopefully you weren't planning to use these P-D 805's in a dual CPU board. I think you need Xeons for that.

 

[vegeto456]

man i wish i could see some overclocking results and some benchmarks.. All I've found so far is this one where they got the 805 to 3.7 ghz...

 

[greenwar]

Hmm, Too tempting. I got one of these and will post results somewhere on what kinda overclocking I can get.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Garlic
Regular price.

Pentium D = Sloppy, inferior product.



You're gone. You have been given too many chances, warnings and vacations.
AnandTech Moderator

absolutely wrong.... pentium d 8xx = very awesome product. very overclockable and very stable. it gives you better bang/buck than the x2 cpus. the reason i'm selling my pentium d 830 and motherboard is because i just don't have the time or energy to commit to building a new dual-core rig.

 

[mkygod]

I dont understand why if someone buys a 7800gt instead of an 1900xt, most people on this forum would think of the guy as smart and value concious , but when someone buys a Pentium D instead of an X2, people will more likely think he is a dumbass. Does the community have it out for Intel or something?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: mkygod
I dont understand why if someone buys a 7800gt instead of an 1900xt, most people on this forum would think of the guy as smart and value concious , but when someone buys a Pentium D instead of an X2, people will more likely think he is a dumbass. Does the community have it out for Intel or something?

everyone's on the amd bandwagon nowadays and don't take the time to even give intel a chance.

personally, i'm not a fanboy of either company... i just like solid performance at an affordable price. that's why i think the pentium d is better than x2 processors, per value. when you do a little research and look at the benchmarks, you'll see just how good the pentium d processors are. then, when you check the pricetags, you'll realize that it's worth it to get the pentium d over the x2. the only reason i could imagine anyone getting an x2 over a pentium d is if they have a bunch of money to throw around to achieve a certain computer pseudo-enthusiast social status.

the difference is like the difference between lexus and mercedes benz. everyone values the mercedes name higher than the lexus name, regardless of the fact that that lexus is on par with benz as far as crash tests, quality control, comfort, noise reduction, etc., except it saves a lot of money to get the lexus over the benz. no one seems to care to do the research anymore... it's all about the name.

 

[gsethi]

can anyone find a good motherboard to go along with this cpu and make this a ~200 combo ? Preferably a motherboard with PCI-E slot.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: gsethi
can anyone find a good motherboard to go along with this cpu and make this a ~200 combo ? Preferably a motherboard with PCI-E slot.

This is what I use. PCIe and AGP with support for DDR1 and DDR2

My 805 should be here on tuesday and I will be putting it in that board.


But unless you plan on overclocking, I would NOT get this chip. The FSB is way to weak to really put the dual cores to good use. I am aiming to get 166Mhz FSB which should get me in the 3.3Ghz range I hope.


Also www.Zipzoomfly.com has the 805 for $147 with FREE shipping.
805 with free FedEx 2 Day Delivery


Cheap board 2

Cheap board 3

 

[conk9]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Garlic
Regular price.

Pentium D = Sloppy, inferior product.



You're gone. You have been given too many chances, warnings and vacations.
AnandTech Moderator

absolutely wrong.... pentium d 8xx = very awesome product. very overclockable and very stable. it gives you better bang/buck than the x2 cpus. the reason i'm selling my pentium d 830 and motherboard is because i just don't have the time or energy to commit to building a new dual-core rig.

huh?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
On the opteron thread - Oh maybe it's a single core so you would have time and energy?
"yeah, i ordered my cpu last week and i'll be getting it on the 27th. "

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: conk9

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Garlic
Regular price.

Pentium D = Sloppy, inferior product.



You're gone. You have been given too many chances, warnings and vacations.
AnandTech Moderator

absolutely wrong.... pentium d 8xx = very awesome product. very overclockable and very stable. it gives you better bang/buck than the x2 cpus. the reason i'm selling my pentium d 830 and motherboard is because i just don't have the time or energy to commit to building a new dual-core rig.

huh?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
On the opteron thread - Oh maybe it's a single core so you would have time and energy?
"yeah, i ordered my cpu last week and i'll be getting it on the 27th. "

it's actually already here... fedex gave me the wrong date.

i don't have time or energy for it because i was planning on building an opty pc.... in fact, i hardly even have time for that! i've got all the stuff for the build sitting in my closet and they're probably gonna stay there until i'm done with all of these exams and finding sponsors/planning a 200-man lan party for april.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: gsethi
can anyone find a good motherboard to go along with this cpu and make this a ~200 combo ? Preferably a motherboard with PCI-E slot.

This is what I use. PCIe and AGP with support for DDR1 and DDR2

My 805 should be here on tuesday and I will be putting it in that board.


But unless you plan on overclocking, I would NOT get this chip. The FSB is way to weak to really put the dual cores to good use. I am aiming to get 166Mhz FSB which should get me in the 3.3Ghz range I hope.


Also www.Zipzoomfly.com has the 805 for $147 with FREE shipping.
805 with free FedEx 2 Day Delivery


Cheap board 2

Cheap board 3

does any of these boards have a CPU Vcore option ? i know that reaching ~166-200 FSB will not be a problem with the motherboard but might need Vcore to reach near that limit.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: gsethi
can anyone find a good motherboard to go along with this cpu and make this a ~200 combo ? Preferably a motherboard with PCI-E slot.

This is what I use. PCIe and AGP with support for DDR1 and DDR2

My 805 should be here on tuesday and I will be putting it in that board.


But unless you plan on overclocking, I would NOT get this chip. The FSB is way to weak to really put the dual cores to good use. I am aiming to get 166Mhz FSB which should get me in the 3.3Ghz range I hope.


Also www.Zipzoomfly.com has the 805 for $147 with FREE shipping.
805 with free FedEx 2 Day Delivery


Cheap board 2

Cheap board 3

does any of these boards have a CPU Vcore option ? i know that reaching ~166-200 FSB will not be a problem with the motherboard but might need Vcore to reach near that limit.

The Asrock one I kmow does not allow voltage changes on the CPU, just Video and ram. Not sure about the other 2.

I am only aiming for the 166Mhz FSB which should be able to do on default voltage as the other P-Ds run the same voltage.

 

[gsethi]

even i am only aiming for 166fsb only but i fear that the CPU might need an extra notch of voltage or so to do it...

what do you think..

also, will that asrock take a 7800gt or x800gto2 video card in the pci-e slot ?

 

[greenwar]

The chipset on the asrock and the asus board supports only PCi-E 16 slot at x4 speed. That is 1/4 the theoratical speed a regular Pci-e 16x slot we see on other boards. Asus board claims to have vcore adjustment according to their website. I was eyeing these boards also, specifically the asus one. May be spend $50 more and get a 945P board. It will pay off in the long run. 945P boards go for $120 bucks now for a good brand. Just my 2 cents.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: greenwar
The chipset on the asrock and the asus board supports only PCi-E 16 slot at x4 speed. That is 1/4 the theoratical speed a regular Pci-e 16x slot we see on other boards. Asus board claims to have vcore adjustment according to their website. I was eyeing these boards also, specifically the asus one. May be spend $50 more and get a 945P board. It will pay off in the long run. 945P boards go for $120 bucks now for a good brand. Just my 2 cents.

the point of going with this PD 805 setup is to have a dual core combo for ~200 and overclock to ~166FSB.

Intel 805 CPU is ~$140
if we spend ~$120 on motherboard, total will be ~260.
if we spend ~60 on the motherboard, total will be ~200. (worth it)

we can get an opteron 165 for ~270 and the asrock motherboad for ~60 (~330 total). so for ~70 extra, the opteron setup is worth it (if we are going for the 945P board).

But if we can get the Intel combo for ~200 and oc to 166fsb, then we are saving ~130 (and this is the purpose)

 

[Jules]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: mkygod
I dont understand why if someone buys a 7800gt instead of an 1900xt, most people on this forum would think of the guy as smart and value concious , but when someone buys a Pentium D instead of an X2, people will more likely think he is a dumbass. Does the community have it out for Intel or something?

everyone's on the amd bandwagon nowadays and don't take the time to even give intel a chance.

personally, i'm not a fanboy of either company... i just like solid performance at an affordable price. that's why i think the pentium d is better than x2 processors, per value. when you do a little research and look at the benchmarks, you'll see just how good the pentium d processors are. then, when you check the pricetags, you'll realize that it's worth it to get the pentium d over the x2. the only reason i could imagine anyone getting an x2 over a pentium d is if they have a bunch of money to throw around to achieve a certain computer pseudo-enthusiast social status.

the difference is like the difference between lexus and mercedes benz. everyone values the mercedes name higher than the lexus name, regardless of the fact that that lexus is on par with benz as far as crash tests, quality control, comfort, noise reduction, etc., except it saves a lot of money to get the lexus over the benz. no one seems to care to do the research anymore... it's all about the name.

keep thinking that bud.

 

[greenwar]

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: greenwar
The chipset on the asrock and the asus board supports only PCi-E 16 slot at x4 speed. That is 1/4 the theoratical speed a regular Pci-e 16x slot we see on other boards. Asus board claims to have vcore adjustment according to their website. I was eyeing these boards also, specifically the asus one. May be spend $50 more and get a 945P board. It will pay off in the long run. 945P boards go for $120 bucks now for a good brand. Just my 2 cents.

the point of going with this PD 805 setup is to have a dual core combo for ~200 and overclock to ~166FSB.

Intel 805 CPU is ~$140
if we spend ~$120 on motherboard, total will be ~260.
if we spend ~60 on the motherboard, total will be ~200. (worth it)

we can get an opteron 165 for ~270 and the asrock motherboad for ~60 (~330 total). so for ~70 extra, the opteron setup is worth it (if we are going for the 945P board).

But if we can get the Intel combo for ~200 and oc to 166fsb, then we are saving ~130 (and this is the purpose)

I get your point, I was just saying it as people will complain later that their 7800gt performs slower than your 9800 or 6800gt. So if you plan on using an agp or a x300 type card then sure these cheap boards will do just fine.

Also the asrock 939Dual-Sata2 board you are talking about is clogged with problems: low vcore, vdimm adjustments, problems with certain agp cards etc. And then one fine day asrock decided to release a bios with no vcore options at all. I had one for less than a month and then got fedup and sold it.

 

[BadThad]

Too bad AMD doens't lower their prices to this level.

 

[ericlp]

Well, for me we have to have both.

IMO it's wonderful that we have both. They keep the Competition in check. If we only had one then the prices of chips would sky rocket since there would be no competition.

It's always going to go like this. One chip will be priced a bit lower and not be as better then the higher priced chip. Also, I think AMD is popular right now and they are trying to keep up with demand. AMD use to always be the cheaper of the two. Now the tables have switched ... I'd like to get an AMD myself for my next rig.

It probably won't make a difference who you go with unless you are a die hard gamer and want the very best. But for casual gamer / internet surfer computer user ... There is nothing wrong with Intel!

Competition saves the day again!

 

[Linden]

Between here and Ebay, I've purchased three D820s in the past couple months, total cost $420. I am a BIG AMD fan, but not "fanboy". For these admittedly power hungry, heat belching porkers, I have purchased refurb socket 775 motherboards for very cheap at Ebay. I had to buy new DDR2. But guess what, DDR2 prices have been coming down as DDR has been climbing. I am still waiting for some parts to arrive, but i have been running one my existing 820 rig configured for Folding@Home, where the Intel engineering, as mediocre as it may be for this early edition dual core, performs brilliantly.

I never thought I'd say it either, but there is trememdous bang for the buck now with some of Intel's offerings.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: greenwar

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: greenwar
The chipset on the asrock and the asus board supports only PCi-E 16 slot at x4 speed. That is 1/4 the theoratical speed a regular Pci-e 16x slot we see on other boards. Asus board claims to have vcore adjustment according to their website. I was eyeing these boards also, specifically the asus one. May be spend $50 more and get a 945P board. It will pay off in the long run. 945P boards go for $120 bucks now for a good brand. Just my 2 cents.

the point of going with this PD 805 setup is to have a dual core combo for ~200 and overclock to ~166FSB.

Intel 805 CPU is ~$140
if we spend ~$120 on motherboard, total will be ~260.
if we spend ~60 on the motherboard, total will be ~200. (worth it)

we can get an opteron 165 for ~270 and the asrock motherboad for ~60 (~330 total). so for ~70 extra, the opteron setup is worth it (if we are going for the 945P board).

But if we can get the Intel combo for ~200 and oc to 166fsb, then we are saving ~130 (and this is the purpose)

I get your point, I was just saying it as people will complain later that their 7800gt performs slower than your 9800 or 6800gt. So if you plan on using an agp or a x300 type card then sure these cheap boards will do just fine.

Also the asrock 939Dual-Sata2 board you are talking about is clogged with problems: low vcore, vdimm adjustments, problems with certain agp cards etc. And then one fine day asrock decided to release a bios with no vcore options at all. I had one for less than a month and then got fedup and sold it.

see thats what I wanted to confirm. It seems like there are no decent Intel motherboards with PCI-E under ~100, so the P-D 805 is not worth when compared to comparable AMD setup. (I always compare the total price of CPU + motherboard b/c with a good motherboard, a good cpu is worthless).

It seems like I will stick with AMD for now. Anyone knows a decent AMD motherboard that can do 300+ HTT and is ~100.

I dont want the DFI ultra-D as it has known issues with my seasonic S12 (thats why I sold it earlier).

I am leaning towards either the $100 Epox 9NPA+ or the $80 Abit KN8-Ultra (cant find enough reviews for the abit)

 

[Zebo]

Nothing wrong with this CPU at this price. Clock it to around 3.2-3.4 really easy with it's 20x multi and you're dual core on the really cheap. Powerhouse? no but decent for $135.

Originally posted by: probzy
It's hot...

LOL

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing wrong with this CPU at this price. Clock it to around 3.2-3.4 really easy with it's 20x multi and you're dual core on the really cheap. Powerhouse? no but decent for $135.

the problem is find a decent motherboard at a decent price (<80) (with some vcore adjustment) that will clock it to 3.2 - 3.4.

 

[Zebo]

You don't need vcore for 3.2-3.4 but good cooling. either though a high flow case and stock HSF or aftermarket HSF.

 

[Zebo]

see thats what I wanted to confirm. It seems like there are no decent Intel motherboards with PCI-E under ~100

What are you talking about? There are several that fit you discription under $75 and tons under $100.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131566

or this will do fine
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128294

Simply bump bus speed to ddr2 667 done