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[gsethi]

Originally posted by: Zebo

see thats what I wanted to confirm. It seems like there are no decent Intel motherboards with PCI-E under ~100

What are you talking about? There are several that fit you discription under $75 and tons under $100.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131566

or this will do fine
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128294

Simply bump bus speed to ddr2 667 done

really like that Asus one but i have been told that the 4x PCI-E slot is not that good ? just wondering, how will an x800gto2 or 7800gt do in one.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: everydae

Originally posted by: hardcandy2

Not only can you compute, you can also turn down the home thermostat! Just kidding, think these could be used in a fanless situation as a media center CPU, like with a Ninja Scythe or that Turning Tower thing?

I doubt that.. Even X2 is kinda hard to be cooled passively. Silent PC Review Even the northwood 2.8A (Which uses less power than X2 I believe) they used to test was hitting 70 degrees without fan. Thus, I strongly doubt the power devourer Smithfield can be handled passively.

lol the x2 runs much cooler than that.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: gsethi
even i am only aiming for 166fsb only but i fear that the CPU might need an extra notch of voltage or so to do it...

what do you think..

also, will that asrock take a 7800gt or x800gto2 video card in the pci-e slot ?

Yea the CPU MIGHT need some extra but I hope not.

I am running a Radeon X800 card myself in the PCIe slot of my Asrock PT880 pro board. The 4x will not slow things down that much as most cards don;t need the full 16x right now. 4x is a little low but not a lot. I think my 3dmark scores are about 300-400 less then other 16x boards. But there might be other reasons then juts the slot.

 

[gsethi]

so what is the verdict on this one now.

regarding video card, 4x PCI-E is fast enough for current cards.

so which motherboard is better now: the ASROCK PT880 or the ASUS P5VD1-X ?

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: everydae

Originally posted by: hardcandy2

Not only can you compute, you can also turn down the home thermostat! Just kidding, think these could be used in a fanless situation as a media center CPU, like with a Ninja Scythe or that Turning Tower thing?

I doubt that.. Even X2 is kinda hard to be cooled passively. Silent PC Review Even the northwood 2.8A (Which uses less power than X2 I believe) they used to test was hitting 70 degrees without fan. Thus, I strongly doubt the power devourer Smithfield can be handled passively.

lol the x2 runs much cooler than that.

Umm.. are you sure?

X2 consumes more power than Northwood, thus more heat, no doubt about that if I remember several benchmarks correctly. And based on my personal experience with X2 3800+, it is not that cool-running CPU. It's fairly hot, very similar to my Northwood 2.8C @ 3.6GHz back in the day.

Anyway, I'll do research a bit more to give you some better numbers. But I strongly doubt your claim, X2 runs much cooler than 2.8A Northwood (NOT PRESCOTT), is correct.

Oh btw, if you read my comment correctly, my post was regarding Smithfield cooled passively. X2 was just a my opinion part, as it seems like no one is passive cooling their X2.

 

[greenwar]

Gsethi, I would recommend you get the asus one as it allows vcore increase, according to asus's website. Besides price difference on the asus is just $1. However, if you want to run DDR2, then Asrock is your only option. Hope this helps.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: everydae

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: everydae

Originally posted by: hardcandy2

Not only can you compute, you can also turn down the home thermostat! Just kidding, think these could be used in a fanless situation as a media center CPU, like with a Ninja Scythe or that Turning Tower thing?

I doubt that.. Even X2 is kinda hard to be cooled passively. Silent PC Review Even the northwood 2.8A (Which uses less power than X2 I believe) they used to test was hitting 70 degrees without fan. Thus, I strongly doubt the power devourer Smithfield can be handled passively.

lol the x2 runs much cooler than that.

Umm.. are you sure?

X2 consumes more power than Northwood, thus more heat, no doubt about that if I remember several benchmarks correctly. And based on my personal experience with X2 3800+, it is not that cool-running CPU. It's fairly hot, very similar to my Northwood 2.8C @ 3.6GHz back in the day.

Anyway, I'll do research a bit more to give you some better numbers. But I strongly doubt your claim, X2 runs much cooler than 2.8A Northwood (NOT PRESCOTT), is correct.

Oh btw, if you read my comment correctly, my post was regarding Smithfield cooled passively. X2 was just a my opinion part, as it seems like no one is passive cooling their X2.

You're wrong X2 3800 consumes 67 watts loaded which is lower than even intels shall we say "optimistic" TDP of 70W for 2.8 northwood.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2-3800_3.html

http://www.intel.com/design/pentium4/datashts/29864312.pdf

Why do I say "optimistic"

"Analysis indicates that real applications are unlikely to cause the processor to consume maximum power dissipation for sustained periods of time. Intel recommends that complete thermal solution designs target the Thermal Design Power (TDP) indicated in Table 26 instead of the maximum processor power consumption. The Thermal Monitor feature is intended to help protect the processor in the unlikely event that an application exceeds the TDP recommendation for a sustained period of time.?

What this means is that Intel?s TDP is actually lower than the maximum power dissipation of the processor!

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: Zebo

You're wrong X2 3800 consumes 67 watts loaded which is lower than even intels shall we say "optimistic" TDP of 70W for 2.8 northwood.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2-3800_3.html

Argg.. why my memory this day messed up! Thanks Zebo for correcting me. But my claim that Smithfield can't be passively cooled still correct, I hope?

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: greenwar
Gsethi, I would recommend you get the asus one as it allows vcore increase, according to asus's website. Besides price difference on the asus is just $1. However, if you want to run DDR2, then Asrock is your only option. Hope this helps.

thanks..I am looking into it. Just wondering, if the 7800gt will work in it ? I kept one for myself from those evga combo deals a little while back.

I am thinking of selling my Opteron 165 and getting this setup since I dont use my desktop that much anymore, so more $$$ in my pocket is good

what do you guys say....or should i get the Epox 9npa+ for ~100 and stay with the amd combo.

hmm..choices:
amd opteron 165 and epox 9npa+ for ~400
or
Intel P-D 805 w/ Asus SIS board for ~$200 (half the cost)

 

[Zebo]

No way. it would trottle like crazy 99% of the time.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: Zebo
No way. it would trottle like crazy 99% of the time.

huh ? what do you mean and what would trottle ?

 

[gsethi]

the Asus P5RD1-VM (matx) does support Pentium D cpus and is only ~65 and has overclocking options along with a 16x PCI-E slot. Anyone knows if the P5RD1-V (atx) board supports the Pentium D cpu ?

 

[greenwar]

Link to p5rd1-v does not say it supports P Ds. Seems to me its a discontinued model.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: greenwar
Link to p5rd1-v does not say it supports P Ds. Seems to me its a discontinued model.

yes but the P5RD1-VM does support the P Ds.

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=770&l1=3&l2=11&l3=179

seems like we have a winner combo now.

 

[JoeFoster]

Ok opteron 144 for $140shipped or this? Sorry have not been paying any attention to the new technology. Gonna use it for gaming, and overclocking.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: Zebo
No way. it would trottle like crazy 99% of the time.

huh ? what do you mean and what would trottle ?

Sorry Throttle. Recent Pentium 4 and Pentium D processors throttle as in turn themselves off when they get too hot. I was saying if he tried to passively cool one it would be so hot it would throttle 99% of the time due to heat.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: Zebo
No way. it would trottle like crazy 99% of the time.

huh ? what do you mean and what would trottle ?

Sorry Throttle. Recent Pentium 4 and Pentium D processors throttle as in turn themselves off when they get too hot. I was saying if he tried to passively cool one it would be so hot it would throttle 99% of the time due to heat.

oh ok..I know about the Throttling...didnt know what "trottle" meant though
I think it is a crazy idea to passively cool even a X2, let alone a P-D

btw, the Asus P5RD1-VM doesnt has dual channel memory support. but it has vcore and fsb options, full 16x PCI-E support and supports Pentium D cpus

 

[greenwar]

Originally posted by: JoeFoster
Ok opteron 144 for $140shipped or this? Sorry have not been paying any attention to the new technology. Gonna use it for gaming, and overclocking.

Ok I will admit, I am an AMD fan. I would pick up the Opteron 144 (instead of the P D 805) and oc that for gaming purpose. I had one 144 which oced to 2.86 ghz on a dfi ultra-d mobo. Ofcourse overclocking varies, but opterons rock for gaming. My current opteron 146@2.9ghz scores 98,000 in aquamark with tccd memory at 1:1 and 7800GT.

 

[Zebo]

Same here an OC opteron will kick the living hell out any OC you could get out of this chip. if you doubt it start looking at some FX57 reviews with 840's (3.2Ghz) in there like this one.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-fx57_8.html

 

[imported_Crusader]

Thats a nice processor and a nice price.

Looks like the low-end/budget champ without question.
Intel chipsets are still #1 stability and for lowend where gaming and all that doesnt matter as much, this chip looks like the ticket.
For a internet/word PC.. this would be exceptionally fast.

If I was to building myself a PC today from scratch, I prob wouldnt bother getting a uber video card and all that, so I'd prob pick this chip up, a Intel motherboard and a cheap 6600GT and it'd do everything I'd need (including gaming).

 

[hans007]

the 805 probably doesnt use up that much heat. the 90nm process only leaks tons of heat at the really higher speeds. i'd figure a 805 only uses 50-60 watts sinec its only 2.66 ghz

 

[Zebo]

Intel chipsets are still #1 stability

Why you say that? Sounds like urban legend to me. The stabilty testing I've seen at Toms and other places intel seems to crash a lot. Besides they recall whole chipsets a lot leading me to beleive something is seriously wrong with thier chipsets.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Intel chipsets are still #1 stability

Why you say that? Sounds like urban legend to me. The stabilty testing I've seen at Toms and other places intel seems to crash a lot. Besides they recall whole chipsets a lot leading me to beleive something is seriously wrong with thier chipsets.

I think that xtknight summed it up best recently in the intel thread within gen hardware-

Originally posted by: xtknight
If it weren't for Intel's x86 CPUs, I doubt AMD would have any either. I'd still buy an Intel CPU+Intel Chipset for beginners. They are simply a more stable platform. In my experience, the nForce 4 isn't as stable either. VIA paled in comparison when it comes to stability. We won't even get into SiS. BSODs are rampant on my Athlon 64 system compared to my Pentium 4 one. Rampant, of course, is relative. nForce 4 IDE drivers are awful (NCQ corruption, BIOS incompatibilities causing BSODs). My Diamond Max 10 drive won't detect half of the time on boot-up. If I overclock 1 MHz in the BIOS, it refuses to POST whatsoever (at least it used to). Linux will not install without APIC disabled either. If Intel made chipsets for AMD CPUs, that would be like the second coming of Christ.

I greatly respect xtknight and seeing him post exactly my thoughts on Intel stability was good. In my experience, the Nforce2+ made AMD finally usable to a broad degree. Though I'd still agree with xtknight in that in ultimate stablility and compatiblility (ram ect).. Intel cant be beat.
Some Nforce4 links in response to people calling shens on Intel chipsets > AMD/NV Nforce

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=27&threadid=1796279&enterthread=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1796428&enterthread=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1771160&enterthread=y

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1654288&enterthread=y

And its good to mention that while Intel might be the fastest all the time, they make the best mobile platform going, most of the older enthusiasts with a lot of experience would agree that Intel chipsets are still the most stable.
They make great stuff, theres no doubt.

Nvidia has been the best thing to ever happen to AMD. But as much as I recognize Nvidias superb engineering and support (in all their products), I'd be hard pressed to ever say that the leading AMD chipset (NF4) would typically top Intels efforts.

If there is ANY "urban legends" going around for any company, its AMD not Intel.. IMO even the performance advantage is given way too much of a blank check.
I think this thread and most of the reactions to this chip are testament to that blind eye that is frequently turned to Intel products.

And finally my rig is a A64 3200+ (venice), 7800GT, DFI SLI NF4, 1GB, 400GB Seagate 7200.9 RAID-0 ect and so on so no bias against AMD here at all. Just clear eyes and an open mind!
I'd build with this chip for myself without doubt, and its my low end budget pick.

 

[hans007]

i tend to agree with Crusader above. AMDs chips as of late have been better, but it isnt a miles and miles ahead difference.


the fx60 in fact is not even a cool running chip according to gamepc.com, it puts out just as much heat as the new pentium D 950 at load.

the fact of the matter is its the under dog company that a ton of people have been rooting for for al ong time, and now that they are in the lead well its time to talk some smack. seriously i think that is half the reason people get so excited about AMD.

i used to work for an HP factory summers in high school. at the time the best thing amd had was k6-2 chips on via chipsets. the DOA rate on the k6-2 was 3 times higher than the intel chips even with a heatspreader.

so yeah at the time it was awful. people are making it seem like intel has been making awful chips all along, when in fact up until prescott they were basically better in every way.

 

[FDF12389]

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