Pentium G3258 for YouTube editing?

[Joestat99]

Hey ive been looking around the web for a $550 gaming pc build and it looks like the pentium is the way to go. Cab it handle video editing in adobe premier or sony vegas? Or should I just get an amd athlon 860k or an amd fx 6300? Thanks.

Im looking to play minecraft at very high fps and want to upload to youtube some xbox one gameplay. Thanks your help is appreciated

 

[FX2000]

The FX6300 would be better for rendering videoes for YouTube, but the G3258 would be a bit better in Minecraft, due to the better singlethreaded performance. I'd go with the FX6300.

 

[TheELF]

"handle" has a very broad meaning,anything can handle premiere the question is how long it will take for any given command/filter/whatever and of course the saving/rendering which can take a lot of time.
The g3258 is very fast though,so you won't have any "problems" ,memory and an ssd is very important if you think about large file editing.

Every haswell can use quick sync this way recordings are very small its, realtime h264 compression,at a very small footprint so check it out.

 

[Yuriman]

This is an area where the answer isn't clear. Any CPU can handle Vegas or Premier, but the time needed for encodes scales well with core count. Despite the Pentium having vastly better single-threaded performance, either an 860K or FX6300 should beat an overclocked Pentium in those programs.

On the other hand, many games like single-threaded performance and don't scale all that well with core count - though most will benefit from up to 4 threads. Minecraft should run fine on any of the above CPUs but the Pentium will theoretically deliver the best FPS in a heavily modded game. Single player games and those with smaller budgets will run better on the Pentium (Guild Wars 2 may be 60%+ faster on the Intel chip), while AAA online multiplayer games will run best on the FX6300 since the studios have enough budget to code them so they scale with many cores.

I'm reluctant to recommend a dual core today since so many programs/games scale well to 4 cores/threads, but there are plenty of members on here who are very happy with their Pentiums and will probably give it their vote. The FX on the other hand is on a very old socket with slower USB/SATA/PCIe and worse onboard audo/LAN solutions, and though these are generally minor details, it adds up. The Pentium and 860K will be cheaper than the 6300, giving you more budget for a better video card or a solid state hard drive, which makes a huge difference in day to day usage. Of those three choices, I'd probably vote for the 860K and recommend you overclock the snot out of it.

A little up the foodchain is the i3 which should be the best of both worlds, but it'll eat more into your budget for other components.

 

[Joestat99]

This is an area where the answer isn't clear. Any CPU can handle Vegas or Premier, but the time needed for encodes scales well with core count. Despite the Pentium having vastly better single-threaded performance, either an 860K or FX6300 should beat an overclocked Pentium in those programs.

On the other hand, many games like single-threaded performance and don't scale all that well with core count - though most will benefit from up to 4 threads. Minecraft should run fine on any of the above CPUs but the Pentium will theoretically deliver the best FPS in a heavily modded game. Single player games and those with smaller budgets will run better on the Pentium (Guild Wars 2 may be 60%+ faster on the Intel chip), while AAA online multiplayer games will run best on the FX6300 since the studios have enough budget to code them so they scale with many cores.

I'm reluctant to recommend a dual core today since so many programs/games scale well to 4 cores/threads, but there are plenty of members on here who are very happy with their Pentiums and will probably give it their vote. The FX on the other hand is on a very old socket with slower USB/SATA/PCIe and worse onboard audo/LAN solutions, and though these are generally minor details, it adds up. The Pentium and 860K will be cheaper than the 6300, giving you more budget for a better video card or a solid state hard drive, which makes a huge difference in day to day usage. Of those three choices, I'd probably vote for the 860K and recommend you overclock the snot out of it.

A little up the foodchain is the i3 which should be the best of both worlds, but it'll eat more into your budget for other components.

Thanks. What do you recommend for the 860k motherboard so I can over clock and do I need an aftermarket cooler?

 

[Yuriman]

You'll be able to overclock somewhat with the stock cooler, though it'll be noisy. I have one I can and do reuse between builds, but if I were building from scratch I'd probably just allocate $30 more on a faster CPU (e.g. Core i3) as a cooler isn't a cost effective way to get more performance in that price bracket.

I've been happy with ASRock boards lately, but I have no specific recommendations on FM2. Gigabyte and Asus tend to be a little more expensive for the same feature set.

 

[Ken g6]

You already have [thread=2412427]a thread for this build in General Hardware[/thread].

 

[Abwx]

I have one I can and do reuse between builds, but if I were building from scratch I'd probably just allocate $30 more on a faster CPU (e.g. Core i3) as a cooler isn't a cost effective way to get more performance in that price bracket.

A stock 860K is largely at i3 level for encoding.

 

[Yuriman]

A stock 860K is largely at i3 level for encoding.

Right, but the i3 has the single-threaded advantage of the Pentium, without the multithreaded disadvantage.

i3 still has a slight edge in multithreaded scenarios:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1192?vs=1200

Not enough that one would notice a difference in day to day activities, but it's a solid performer for the price. Not that an 860K is bad. It's a great chip and saves $40, but you're compromising a bit.

 

[Abwx]

Well, i used the Pentium 3258 review as basis, there s 3 encoding benches and a 3.3 A8 7600 for comparisons, the 860K should be 10% better or so.

Right that the i3 has the ST hedge but where would it be an advantage set apart in games with a dGFX..?.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8232/...y-edition-review-the-intel-pentium-g3258-ae/2

 

[Yuriman]

Generally speaking, a high-clocked SR chip should provide sufficiently high minimums, but some games will see advantage on an i3:

In some games, there are areas where CPU choice will limit framerates below 60fps, (or sometimes even 30fps) regardless of graphical settings.

However, again, an i3 eats into GPU / SSD budget, and doesn't provide any better multithreaded performance, and by and large gaming performance will be fine on an AMD chip.

 

[escrow4]

Up the budget and get an i5. $550 is filled with compromises that will come back to bite you.

 

[Abwx]

Generally speaking, a high-clocked SR chip should provide sufficiently high minimums, but some games will see advantage on an i3:
In some games, there are areas where CPU choice will limit framerates below 60fps, (or sometimes even 30fps) regardless of graphical settings.

However, again, an i3 eats into GPU / SSD budget, and doesn't provide any better multithreaded performance, and by and large gaming performance will be fine on an AMD chip.

It was indeed my point, that in games with a dgfx the i3 would have the hedge but that it wouldnt provide advantages for the OP usages, moreover if he intent to use the IGP as sole GPU.

For MBs i d like to point that Asrock is generaly decent but that their current return ratio is higher than six months ago, they have a few products that are not that reliable, whatever the chipsets, among their FM2+ offering the A88 Extreme 4 is to be discarded, their other FM2+ boards are very reliable in contrast.

 

[Yuriman]

I assumed that since OP was making a "gaming PC build" that will also be doing some video editing/encoding, and was considering two AMD chips without iGPUs, it would be using a discrete GPU.

 

[Watrreindd]

I recommend fx 6300,860k suck. Believe me

 

[Abwx]

I assumed that since OP was making a "gaming PC build" that will also be doing some video editing/encoding, and was considering two AMD chips without iGPUs, it would be using a discrete GPU.

You re right, I had the usual APUs in my mind...

I recommend fx 6300,860k suck. Believe me

Between a 6300 to a 8310/8320E there s not a long road and lot of $ while you re at it.

 

[AtenRa]

The FX on the other hand is on a very old socket with slower USB/SATA/PCIe and worse onboard audo/LAN solutions, and though these are generally minor details, it adds up.

Completely wrong and misleading.

PCIe 16x Gen 2.0 performance is on par with Gen 3.0 and it will take many many years to actually hinder GPU performance.

SATA performance is on par with Intel Z97

MSI 970 Gaming SATA-6
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_970_gaming_motherboard_review,15.html

ASROCK X99 OC Formula SATA-6
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asrock_x99_oc_formula_review,14.html

USB 3 performance is on par with Intel as well.

MSI 970 Gaming USB-3
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_970_gaming_motherboard_review,15.html

ASROCK X99 OC Formula USB-3
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asrock_x99_oc_formula_review,14.html

Also, new AM3+ Motherboards like MSI 970 Gaming and ASROCK Fatal1ty 990FX Killer have excellent Audio and Lan solutions.

So this old socket with slower SATA/PSIe and USB3 performance is an urban legend and has been debunked lots of times.

 

[Abwx]

Completely wrong and misleading.

So this old socket with slower SATA/PSIe and USB3 performance is an urban legend and has been debunked lots of times.

Well demonstrated AtenRa, it s incredible all the false informations or viral marketing, willfully or not, spread around AMD, with such huge amounts of misleadings one can only conclude that there s professionals people spreading their junk, i wasnt talking of Yuriman, probably that he collected a hearsay and posted it here, neverless one should check some graphs and infos before doing such statements that only end to destroy any credibility a member could had.

 

[Kallogan]

i have a 4700mq running at 3.4 ghz and i still find vegas h264 encoding horribly long.

video card seems to help for real-time effects/plungin rendering though

Sometimes i wonder if it uses all the cores.

better go for some sort of uncompressed video output and then encode with handbrake.

i don't understand why people buy new budget cpus when there are plenty of cheap used quad i7s on the market.

 

[el etro]

Buy the Pentium only if you don't want to play AAA games, otherwise buy the Athlon.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Anything "handles" this type of software, on less powerful cpu's the rendering will just take a bit longer, unless you use the gpu for that.

The pentium should be good for minecraft, I doubt that's a hugely multithreaded game.

 

[AllanMoore]

It will also depend on which Video Card you're using, isnt it?

 

[deathBOB]

I would get the pentium. In my eyes, poor game performance will be more frustrating than slower rendering/encoding times.

 

[Yuriman]

The difference between PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 is "very small" but not "zero". I never claimed it was large. However, it is not zero either.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7089/geforce-gtx-titan-twoway-sli-scaling-pcie-2-vs-pcie-3
GTX Titan SLI

Taken from the 970 board review:

SATA 6 Gbps performance

AMD offers a grand total of six SATA3 (6Gbps) ports with their AMD 970 chipset. Below we show SATA3 6 Gbps (BIOS at AHCI mode) performance with a SATA3 SSD.

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The SATA3 based SSD connected to the SATA3 (6Gbps) Intel controller. AHCI mode is enabled in the BIOS, especially with SSDs that helps a little on peak performance. The native SATA3 (6 Gbps controllers) are nice and fast.

I wasn't aware that AM3+ had Intel-based SATA controllers. That actually changes everything, if you can get an Intel solution on AM3.

Also, I was suspicious and checked, the two graphs are identical that you linked. Reviewer mistake in insufficient editing after copy-paste?

EDIT: I'd like to reiterate my feeling that individually, very slightly slower USB/SATA and an older generation of PCIe don't account for much, but the difference isn't zero.

 

[Erenhardt]

Anything "handles" this type of software, on less powerful cpu's the rendering will just take a bit longer, unless you use the gpu for that.

The pentium should be good for minecraft, I doubt that's a hugely multithreaded game.

Everyone here goes on with their believes, but do someone actually have a test that shows pentium faster than fx?

Looking though youtube, game seems to load multiple cores. I don't think there is any review of it.