Pentium G4560 vs. Core i3-8100, which one will see worse shortage?

[kwalkingcraze]

With Core i3-8100 Coffee Lake coming out soon and it switches into quad core like Core i5, plus lower-price to $99.99 or $109.99, will we see even more shortages than the Pentium G4560 that it's now?

Anyways, it's best advised that you immediately purchase your i3-8100 when it first arrived at retail stores, since they will sell-out quick. i5-6400 sells for around $130 used, so people will pay $140 for new i3-8100 on eBay when shortages occur, despite Micro Center sells it for $99.99. Should be interesting how it plays out...

The only catch is it requires a new LGA1151 V2 motherboard, price is higher, so I'm not sure if people will buy or not.

EDIT: Core i3-8350K shortages apply as well.

 

[kwalkingcraze]

Newegg no longer carries the Pentium G4560 and already marked it discontinued.

 

[whm1974]

Newegg no longer carries the Pentium G4560 and already marked it discontinued.

That's a shame, they sold well. Intel quit offering them?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Newegg no longer carries the Pentium G4560 and already marked it discontinued.

They still have it available in their marketplace, starting at $99.99. Which is kind of interesting, the G4600 is like $86-87.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Anyways, it's best advised that you immediately purchase your i3-8100 when it first arrived at retail stores, since they will sell-out quick. i5-6400 sells for around $130 used, so people will pay $140 for new i3-8100 on eBay when shortages occur, despite Micro Center sells it for $99.99. Should be interesting how it plays out...

Point taken, BTW. I agree, I see this as a Hot Seller.

I'm not so sure that it will be only $99.99, though. I was guessing closer to $119.99, which is the current MSRP of the entry-level Skylake and Kaby Lake i3 SKUs.

Edit: Shame that they changed the socket, so you have to splash out for a Z370 board to go with it.

 

[whm1974]

They still have it available in their marketplace, starting at $99.99. Which is kind of interesting, the G4600 is like $86-87.

I saw that. Makes it rather pointless to buy the G4560 doesn't it?

 

[kwalkingcraze]

Is H370 chipset backward-compatible with Skylake processors? There's no info I found yet.

 

[kwalkingcraze]

I'm not so sure that it will be only $99.99, though. I was guessing closer to $119.99, which is the current MSRP of the entry-level Skylake and Kaby Lake i3 SKUs.

I'm using Micro Center estimated expected low-price formula, where resellers buy with no sales tax.

 

[kwalkingcraze]

That's a shame, they sold well. Intel quit offering them?

Yep, they know it's stealing Core i3 sales away, so Intel halted production. There are indeed shortages, Intel don't want to scare you.

 

[whm1974]

Yep, they know it's stealing Core i3 sales away, so Intel halted production. There are indeed shortages, Intel don't want to scare you.

Well the 4600 will steal sales from the Core i3 now.

 

[kwalkingcraze]

Well the 4600 will steal sales from the Core i3 now.

I try to buy many Pentium G4520 as best as I can because it has the highest percentage of discount. Originally retailed for $109.99, it has the worst resale value than any other LGA1151 CPU, and you can't sell it for over $60 to anyone, because Pentium G4400 is there to support the $50 price. I've bought some G4520 for $55 already. I don't care about the G4620 and its $100 price.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I think, and I hate to suggest more severe product segmentation, but if Intel limited the HD630 iGPU to the i3-7100 and up, then I think their i3 lineup would have sold a little better, in some market segments.

Still, if you were planing on building an entry-level gaming box, and were going to ignore the iGPU anyways, then that distinction doesn't matter, what matters in that case, is getting 2C/4T with a reasonable clock speed, which happens to be the G4560, which also happens to have a mouth-watering MSRP of only $64. No wonder people were snapping them up!

Edit: And I think that I was wrong before - Intel has AMD's Ryzen 3 1200 as a competitor, to both their i3-8100 (locked) and i3-8350K (unlocked). Since the i3-8100 is locked, and the R3 1200 is unlocked, Intel will either have to make the default clocks high on the i3-8100 (think, 3.8Ghz or higher), or make the price lower than the R3 1200, in order to compete. Of course, for business-oriented boxes, the i3-8100 has the advantage of coming complete with iGPU.

 

[mohit9206]

I think, and I hate to suggest more severe product segmentation, but if Intel limited the HD630 iGPU to the i3-7100 and up, then I think their i3 lineup would have sold a little better, in some market segments.

Still, if you were planing on building an entry-level gaming box, and were going to ignore the iGPU anyways, then that distinction doesn't matter, what matters in that case, is getting 2C/4T with a reasonable clock speed, which happens to be the G4560, which also happens to have a mouth-watering MSRP of only $64. No wonder people were snapping them up!

Edit: And I think that I was wrong before - Intel has AMD's Ryzen 3 1200 as a competitor, to both their i3-8100 (locked) and i3-8350K (unlocked). Since the i3-8100 is locked, and the R3 1200 is unlocked, Intel will either have to make the default clocks high on the i3-8100 (think, 3.8Ghz or higher), or make the price lower than the R3 1200, in order to compete. Of course, for business-oriented boxes, the i3-8100 has the advantage of coming complete with iGPU.

I see Ryzen 1200/1300X as poor value once i3-8100 is here.
Because for $120, the i3-8100 having higher ST performance than ryzen, having actual 4 physical cores and having a hd630 igpu.
Only advantage to ryzen is it can be overclocked but that doesn't matter because ST performance can't beat intel.
Not having igpu, ryzen 3 series need to drop by $20 each when i3 comes out.
i3-8100 is basically going to be i5-7500 sold for $120. That's pretty good value.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I see Ryzen 1200/1300X as poor value once i3-8100 is here.
Because for $120, the i3-8100 having higher ST performance than ryzen, having actual 4 physical cores and having a hd630 igpu.
Only advantage to ryzen is it can be overclocked but that doesn't matter because ST performance can't beat intel.
Not having igpu, ryzen 3 series need to drop by $20 each when i3 comes out.
i3-8100 is basically going to be i5-7500 sold for $120. That's pretty good value.

Yes, it is pretty good value, but... if you overclock, Ryzen 3 1200 is already there!

My Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.80Ghz, is already equivalent to an i5-7500 in (most) things. Maybe not 1080P gaming, but most other things, it is. Part of that, is the i5-7500 is locked, whilst the Ryzen 3 1200 is unlocked.

And I'm not quite sure what your comment at the beginning about "actual 4 physical cores" - Ryzen is NOT BullDozer, it doesn't use "Modules". They are in fact, 4 REAL cores, to a CCX. The fact that they are organized in a 4-core-per-CCX manner, is basically irrelevant. They are still real cores.

Edit: And if the i3-8100 and overclocked Ryzen 3 1200 are BOTH providing similar value, of that to a i5-7500, then it comes down to motherboard costs, and in that, AM4 is very inexpensive, you can get overclockable B350 micro-ATX boards on sale for $60. (I just did.) With the usual complement of video outputs, to be ready for Raven Ridge in the future.

I have strong doubts that you will be able to find any Z370 boards, micro-ATX or ATX, for under $95.

Edit: Yes, the Intel CPUs have the iGPU, which can be useful in some cases, mostly for business-type systems that just need a 2D output, and don't have room in the chassis or power budget for a dGPU.

 

[mohit9206]

Yes, it is pretty good value, but... if you overclock, Ryzen 3 1200 is already there!

My Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.80Ghz, is already equivalent to an i5-7500 in (most) things. Maybe not 1080P gaming, but most other things, it is. Part of that, is the i5-7500 is locked, whilst the Ryzen 3 1200 is unlocked.

And I'm not quite sure what your comment at the beginning about "actual 4 physical cores" - Ryzen is NOT BullDozer, it doesn't use "Modules". They are in fact, 4 REAL cores, to a CCX. The fact that they are organized in a 4-core-per-CCX manner, is basically irrelevant. They are still real cores.

Edit: And if the i3-8100 and overclocked Ryzen 3 1200 are BOTH providing similar value, of that to a i5-7500, then it comes down to motherboard costs, and in that, AM4 is very inexpensive, you can get overclockable B350 micro-ATX boards on sale for $60. (I just did.) With the usual complement of video outputs, to be ready for Raven Ridge in the future.

I have strong doubts that you will be able to find any Z370 boards, micro-ATX or ATX, for under $95.

Edit: Yes, the Intel CPUs have the iGPU, which can be useful in some cases, mostly for business-type systems that just need a 2D output, and don't have room in the chassis or power budget for a dGPU.

Ok few things i want to address.
First you don't have to get a Z370 board ,a basic cheap H series mobo will do.
Secondly the igpu is useful under some circumstances,like someone who wants to build a basic htpc so in that case igpu is all you need.
Another case where the dgpu has to be sent for rma and until it comes back,atleast you have something to use during that time.
And another where a PC is bought but budget doesnt allow for gpu so until money can be saved up,the person can still use the igpu for basic games like mobas and csgo etc.
So having that igpu can come very handy for someone who does not have spare gpus lying around.
These are the main appeal to me for the i3-8100 over ryzen 3 but im willing to consider ryzen 3 if its drops in price because at the same price ryzen 3 is not very good value and reviews have already pointed it out and after the launch of coffelake it will be a bit worse.

 

[VirtualLarry]

First you don't have to get a Z370 board ,a basic cheap H series mobo will do.

Well, the context of this thread is buying the i3-8100 upon initial release, of which there will ONLY be Z370 boards available to take the i3-8100. The rest of the lineup of chipsets won't be available for a few more months yet, I've read, and the older, existing chipset boards, will not accept a Coffee Lake CPU. So Z370 it is.

Yes, the iGPU can be useful, in limited cases, but for the budget gaming builds I'm envisioning, it's basically irrelevant. (It may not be for you.)

I still think that the Ryzen 3 1200 packs a punch, and you can already find those discounted to a hair over $100 USD on ebay. If AMD drops the price some, expect them to hit $90. At that price, I think, it will be a clear value winner, over not only the i5-7400 and 7500, but potentially also the i3-8100. (Edit: But not if the price of the i3-8100 drops to $100 or less, then it will likely be the value winner, but also consider the motherboard pricing, maybe it won't until cheaper B370 boards come out.)

Edit: Do we know final specs / clocks for the i3-8100? If Intel clocks them at like 3.8Ghz, then sure, they will be ahead of Ryzen 3 1200 (overclocked to 3.8, remember, since it's a walk in the part with any B350 mobo and the stock cooler included in the box) in ST, due to slightly better IPC. Probably MT too, but not Cinebench.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I wonder if ASRock will do a refresh release of their DeskMini mini-STX PCs, with the Z370 chipset (or wait, until B370 / H370 are available)? And I think, CFL is going to increase the maximum DRAM speed for locked CPUs, to DDR4-2667. So, a DeskMini for $130-160 (with Z370), i3-8100 CPU, and 2x8GB of DDR4-2667 GSkill, and a Samsung 960 EVO 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD, that would just absolutely ROCK!

My current DeskMini config, is with a G4600 CPU (2C/4T) @ 3.60Ghz (stock), with 2x8GB GSkill DDR4-2400 SO-DIMMs, and a 128GB M.2 PCI-E SSD. (And a SATA 2.5" SSD for other OSes.)

 

[epsilon84]

VirtualLarry, if you are going to include overclocking into the equation, wouldn't the i3 8350K be the logical competitor to an R3 1200/1300X?

A $110 R3 1200 @ 3.8GHz is a nice entry level chip for budget overclockers, but, funds permitting, a ~$150 i3 8350K @ 5GHz would be the better deal IMO. You're paying an extra $40 for ~40% higher overall performance. Of course even low end Z370 mobos will be more expensive compared to budget AM4 mobos, which has to be taken into account from a value perspective.

If your entire budget for a CPU/mobo is below $200 and you must overclock, the R3 series is pretty much the only choice. But if you can stretch the budget to $250, it opens up a new tier of overclocked performance (~3.8GHz vs ~5.0GHz + higher IPC)

 

[VirtualLarry]

VirtualLarry, if you are going to include overclocking into the equation, wouldn't the i3 8350K be the logical competitor to an R3 1200/1300X?

A $110 R3 1200 @ 3.8GHz is a nice entry level chip for budget overclockers, but, funds permitting, a ~$150 i3 8350K @ 5GHz would be the better deal IMO. You're paying an extra $40 for ~40% higher overall performance. Of course even low end Z370 mobos will be more expensive compared to budget AM4 mobos, which has to be taken into account from a value perspective.

If the i3-8350K was the same price as the Ryzen 3 1200, then it would be the value winner, hands-down. But $50 more, sort of puts it into another price class. But yeah, if money is not an issue, then an i3-8350K + Z370 mobo, for probably $100 more between the added CPU and mobo costs, would be quite a bit faster than an R3 1200 @ 3.8Ghz. Of course, if you can spend $100 more, why not a 1600X? Then the comparison with an i3-8350K isn't so easy, especially with some games straining a 4C/4T CPU these days. ^_^

 

[kirbyrj]

I don't see the 8350k getting to 5Ghz without a lot of extra effort (e.g. delidding, non-stock cooling...generally things people do who spend more than $150 for a CPU).

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't see the 8350k getting to 5Ghz without a lot of extra effort (e.g. delidding, non-stock cooling...generally things people do who spend more than $150 for a CPU).

Some 7600K chips got there easily...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1096...iew-the-more-amenable-mainstream-performer/11

Straight out of the box, our retail sample achieved an OCCT stable 5.0 GHz with mixed AVX at a 1.375V setting, with the software recording only 58C peak on the core and a maximum power draw of 111W. That’s fairly astonishing – from the base 3.8/4.2 GHz we were able to get up to 800 MHz in an overclock for just under double the power draw (or, +20W over TDP).

 

[LTC8K6]

Looks like most reviewers got to 5.0 easily with the 7600K.

I would be surprised if the 8350K doesn't do better on the 14nm++ process.

 

[epsilon84]

I don't see the 8350k getting to 5Ghz without a lot of extra effort (e.g. delidding, non-stock cooling...generally things people do who spend more than $150 for a CPU).

As others have pointed out, current Kaby Lake i5s don't seem to struggle to hit 5GHz, what makes you think a slightly more refined 14nm process would regress in terms of overclocking headroom?

If the i3-8350K was the same price as the Ryzen 3 1200, then it would be the value winner, hands-down. But $50 more, sort of puts it into another price class. But yeah, if money is not an issue, then an i3-8350K + Z370 mobo, for probably $100 more between the added CPU and mobo costs, would be quite a bit faster than an R3 1200 @ 3.8Ghz. Of course, if you can spend $100 more, why not a 1600X? Then the comparison with an i3-8350K isn't so easy, especially with some games straining a 4C/4T CPU these days. ^_^

No chance the 8350K will be the same price as an R3 1200, of course we won't know the true retail price until it launches, but I was using the current 7350K price of $150 on Newegg as a guide. It is indeed a different price class, especially if you take into account the price of Z370 mobos.

With regards to a 1600X, well, that's a $240 chip, which should be compared against the similarly priced 8600K, not a 8350K.

 

[SPBHM]

if the 8100 is only compatible with z370 for a while, it's going to be difficult to see it as the best option...

 

[IRobot23]

Quad cores without SMT are pretty much dead end for any gamer that plays new games at consistent frames.
R5 1400/R5 1600 with DDR4 3200MT/s+ and 3,8-4GHz are new best friends for any gamer.