Pentium M with Asus 478 adapter is very impressive.

[Keysplayr]

Just looking at these benchmarks in disbelief. I had no idea the Pentium M kicked this much booty especially for its lower clockspeeds. It definately needs some architechtural improvements such as SSE3 and whatever else.

Needs improved gaming performance but for the most part, this puppy competes well with the best FX or P4 out there right now.

If this is old news, so what.

I did a web search for Pentium M Dothan benches.

Anandtech "Pentium M 755 Dothan Investigated"

Anandtech "Linux and the Desktop Pentium M: Uncommon Performance"

Anandtech "ASUS Pentium M to Pentium4 Socket Adapter"

HardOCP "Pentium M on a 855GME-MGF DFI motherboard"

PC Perspective "Intel Pentium M 755 and DFI's 855GME-MGF Review"

The TechReport "The Pentium M on the desktop DFI's 855GME-MGF motherboard"

HotHardware "DFI 855GME-MGF and Pentium M Dothan Desktop Performance"

Keep in mind that this is a @2GHz CPU. Impressive.

 

[rogue1979]

damn, double post

 

[rogue1979]

Originally posted by: rogue1979

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Just looking at these benchmarks in disbelief. I had no idea the Pentium M kicked this much booty especially for its lower clockspeeds. It definately needs some architechtural improvements such as SSE3 and whatever else.

Needs improved gaming performance but for the most part, this puppy competes well with the best FX or P4 out there right now.

If this is old news, so what.

Anands Pentium M with Asus 478 adapter review

Keep in mind that this is a 2.13GHz CPU. Impressive.

Hmmm, seems like gaming performance was one of it's strong points, especially overclocked.

 

[imported_Kensai]

I don't think so. Intel's calling for dual-core seems to be two Prescott's smacked onto one chip. As per it's TDP of 180W.

 

[jbh129]

Yonah could be the next northwood

 

[Keysplayr]

There were certain areas in certain apps that required SSE3 extensions and although it performed well, it was not enough to be noteworthy.

The main thing that drew my undivided attention to this was, no other CPU, on a clock for clock basis, from either Athlon or P4 can touch this thing. The Pentium M(Dothan) seems to be an extremely efficient CPU class. And Dual Core Yonah will be arrived near Q4 2005/Q1 2006. It is said that Yonah will include most of the architectural improvements that Dothan requires. So it should make for an interesting option for laptops and hopefully it can be adapted to desktops.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Kensai
I don't think so. Intel's calling for dual-core seems to be two Prescott's smacked onto one chip. As per it's TDP of 180W.

Yes, it is called "smithfield". 2 90nm Prescotts together running at around 2.8 to 3.2GHz. (each core)

Yonah is 2 65nm Pentium M's together.

 

[68GTX]

Asus now has a new bios for the P4C800-E Deluxe.

Legit Reviews got their CPU up to 220MHz FSB, and the mobo has a [4:5] memory ratio, so overclockers will just have to find the sweet spot.

 

[BadThad]

Clock for clock, the Pentium M is a VERY strong cpu. The Asus adapter is pretty cool, but this CPU really needs a dedicated platform to reach it's full desktop potential IMO.

 

[uOpt]

So this thing makes the Pentium-M use dual-channel RAM?

Can somebody explain how this is possible?

 

[TStep]

Solid performance, but so was the Tualatin. Bad timing and the pushing of the new platform (P4 Willy) overshadowed the Tually. Hope it doesn't happen here, but I would imagine Intel will push the dual core Prescott stuff instead of this promising product.

 

[Sentential]

Only problem is that it only works on about 8 motherboards (not all Asus, talking total). Apparentally something about the adapter doesnt sit well with the mobo's clockgen.

Its a novel idea but to be honest native support will reign supreme

 

[Promit]

It's unfortunate that Intel continues to press their almost embarassing Pentium 4 architecture instead of the Pentium M. I'd love to have one if the market prices came into reasonable ranges...

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: Promit
It's unfortunate that Intel continues to press their almost embarassing Pentium 4 architecture instead of the Pentium M. I'd love to have one if the market prices came into reasonable ranges...

Uhh.... just give them time. People have known for a long time now that the Pentium5 will be dothan based. Intel plans to move Dothan to desktop 3QTR of this year. They have stated awhile ago that come June the 5xx series will be canned and the 6xx series a couple months later.

Early 2006 we will see Prestler, Yonah, Memnon and others which are Pentium-M based

 

[LTC8K6]

Kensai, where did you get the 180W figure for Smithfield?

Everywhere I look the number is 130W.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: BadThad
Clock for clock, the Pentium M is a VERY strong cpu. The Asus adapter is pretty cool, but this CPU really needs a dedicated platform to reach it's full desktop potential IMO.

The P-M can use whatever memory the chipset manufacturers want, as the memory controller isn't built in to the CPU die like it is on the A64. So, if a company wanted to pair the P-M with a chipset designed for RDRAM, then it would happen. Needless to say, this isn't gonna happen as RDRAM is virtually dead on the PC, anyway.

As far as the P-M goes, it is simply a Pentium III on steroids. Intel simply tweaked the architecture a bit to allow higher clock speeds, and boom, the P-M was born. It isn't a bad CPU at all, in fact, I think, that at the moment at least, it it Intel's best CPU. As far as it competing with an A64-FX or a P4EE, well, not quite. It is a solid CPU, but it sure as hell ain't gonna best no FX-55 in much (if anything). When the clock speeds ramp up to, say 2.4GHz+, then it may start being a serious competator, but Intel isn't going to do this, especially knowing that there are adapters out there, and they don't want to jeapordize their precious "Prescott" POS.

And as far as dual core goes, it would be nice to see a dual P-M based chip, as it would make me think about coming back to my roots (as an Intel dood, that is), as the main reason that I went A64 is because of it "future proofness" (with 64-bit) and it is a helluva lot better than Prescott. The first dual-core chips will simply be 2 Prescott cores slapped into one package, with an insane power rating (I heard 150w or more!). I have heard rumors about a dual-core P-M chip, but, again, they're just rumors, and many believed that Intel's first dual-core project would be Dothan based (obviously that isn't true), so things could change. Especially since Intel is hell-bent on pushing Prescott on everybody .

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Kensai, where did you get the 180W figure for Smithfield?

Everywhere I look the number is 130W.

He's wrong you have the correct figure. Im hearing about 135W as well

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: BadThad
Clock for clock, the Pentium M is a VERY strong cpu. The Asus adapter is pretty cool, but this CPU really needs a dedicated platform to reach it's full desktop potential IMO.

The P-M can use whatever memory the chipset manufacturers want,

Thats false bud. When you change RAM type you also need to change the sense pins of the CPU. Intel didnt go LGA775 for nothing ya know. Just for reference. More pins on the RAM dimms the more pins you need on the CPU.

AMD's DDR2 socket will have 1207 pins up from 939 for that reason.

Btw Smithsfeld should arrive *with* Yonah which is a dual-cored Sonama. The EE version will have 4 logical CPUs as well. Intel is not pushing prescott, they are doing both Pressie and Dothan in tandem

 

[Keysplayr]

It is in my opinion, (just mine ) that intel will drop the Netburst P4 silently replacing it with Dothan descendents. The PIII architecture was very strong. I think the Pentium 4 was a severe wrong turn for Intel. Sometimes being innovative at the wrong time is a bad thing. Look at the insane clockspeeds needed for the P4 to be even close to competetive. I have high hopes for the Dual core Yonah because I really do not wish to go AMD. My personal preference of course.

Once Intel grants the Dothan Streaming SIMD and SSE/SSE2 and improve the FP as they are going to do with Yonah, I believe we will have a new champ on our hands. If not ahead of AMD, it will be at least competetive at a lower clockspeed. It will be similar to AMD saying how much more efficient their architecture is than a P4. Only reverse the roles. It may backfire on AMD saying that for the past few years. Who knows.

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: Sentential
Thats false bud. When you change RAM type you also need to change the sense pins of the CPU. Intel didnt go LGA775 for nothing ya know.

Actually, thats false. Why, then, did the S478 P4 work with BOTH RDRAM, SDRAM, and DDR? Exactly. The reason Intel switched sockets is for support for 64-bit (as well as other improvements, as well as anticipation for dual-core) and the S478 line was simply running out of steam (according to Intel). Personally, I don't like all these socket switches, but hey, you can't do anything about it.

The reason AMD HAS to switch sockets is because the memory controller IS BUILT INTO THE CPU DIE. This was the second CPU to do this (Transmetta's Efficeon was the first). Intel's CPU's don't have this feature (yet).

 

[Keysplayr]

I did a web search for Pentium M Dothan benches.

Anandtech "Pentium M 755 Dothan Investigated"

Anandtech "Linux and the Desktop Pentium M: Uncommon Performance"

Anandtech "ASUS Pentium M to Pentium4 Socket Adapter"

HardOCP "Pentium M on a 855GME-MGF DFI motherboard"

PC Perspective "Intel Pentium M 755 and DFI's 855GME-MGF Review"

The TechReport "The Pentium M on the desktop DFI's 855GME-MGF motherboard"

HotHardware "DFI 855GME-MGF and Pentium M Dothan Desktop Performance"

 

[Avalon]

If the architectural improvements that go into future Dothan based chips are successful in eliminating its weak points, and the chip can be had for $150 and overclock very well, I will be excited.

 

[miketheidiot]

last time i checked both pressler and smithfield are prescot/netburst derivatives. Netburst is not going anywhere soon.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Sentential
Thats false bud. When you change RAM type you also need to change the sense pins of the CPU. Intel didnt go LGA775 for nothing ya know. Just for reference. More pins on the RAM dimms the more pins you need on the CPU.
AMD's DDR2 socket will have 1207 pins up from 939 for that reason.

Err, no, not quite. Might want to research that a bit more.

 

[Sentential]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Sentential
Thats false bud. When you change RAM type you also need to change the sense pins of the CPU. Intel didnt go LGA775 for nothing ya know. Just for reference. More pins on the RAM dimms the more pins you need on the CPU.
AMD's DDR2 socket will have 1207 pins up from 939 for that reason.

Err, no, not quite. Might want to research that a bit more.

And you have proof to refute what I have said? Im pretty sure that they are reverse compatable via emulation but that can often cause stability issues. Sure there are hybrid LGA775 boards but the CPU itself has the pins for both.