Pentium or Amd? pls help

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infinite012

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Heh...What I would do is sell some of the parts from an old/out of commission computer and make some PayPal from that and buy yourself some used parts from the for sale/trade forum here. That's what I did and I can now afford an ABIT IC7 and P4 2.4C

BTW I'm only a year older than you and I have about the same budget as you + the Paypal I make from ebay and here.
 

redpriest_

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To be honest I can't tell the difference between my 3.4 ghz p4 (2.4c) or my Barton 3000+. They're both plenty fast. Most games that are chunking are because of the video card (even though I own a radeon 9800 pro).
 

HowDoesItWork

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"i have a $90 barton 2500+ running at 3200+ speeds. cheaper than 160 and is faster than a 2.4C, and i dont think my rig will be dated anytime soon.. "

You are comparing an overclocked chip to a non-overclocked chip, see anything wrong with that comparison? Also the 2.4c overclocks well with the retail HS/Fan (read free) what are you using on your AMD? Please add that cost in for an honest comparison.

The $170 P4 2.4C (unclocked) runs neck and neck with the $177 2800 barton AMD XP (unclocked) in benchmarks. IMO and from my experience, the P4 will overclock better and on stock cooling to boot. So the price-to-performance ratio favors Intel at this point, not by a lot, but it does (at least on the more advanced chips).
 

stevejst

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The $170 P4 2.4C (unclocked) runs neck and neck with the $177 2800 barton AMD XP (unclocked) in benchmarks. IMO and from my experience, the P4 will overclock better and on stock cooling to boot. So the price-to-performance ratio favors Intel at this point, not by a lot, but it does (at least on the more advanced chips).
Exactly. The kick is that many guys don't want to spend more than $100 on the processor and in that case Intel is not for you. Also Barton 2800 or 3200 are nothing whatsoever better than Barton 2500 as far as you can overclock.
When you compare heatsink/motherboard/CPU expenses then heatsink/N-Force2/Barton 2500 goes perhaps about $70-80 cheaper than Springdale/2.4C. If this $70-80 that much? If it is then too bad. If it is not I think the choice is more than obvious.

There are other arguments in the game as well. With Intel as it is now you will be able to upgrade, meaning your CPU will probably be good enough for new motherboards and Prescott 2.8 and 3.0 (as they say now) will be good for your motherboard. And the cooler you have, if it is so good to keep you will be able to use on the new motherboard.

All of the above is excluded with AMD, that Barton setup is the end of the line. And if they do not come with more overclockable Barton (the chances are they won't) you have what you have for the eternity or for the trash. So you have really nothing to loose since you won't be able to upgrade anyway. This argument prevailed in my case, I switched and I don't think I'll be wasting money on Opteron/Athlon64 promises about performance that never materializes. The last three years I was in AMD camp for the simple reason that I could use all sorts of processors in the same socket. Now they have three different sockets to go with! Meaning if I want to experiment with a new CPU I have to get new motherboard and vice versa. To AMD: yeah, right!
 

pspada

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I'll stick with AMD - if for no other reason than because of who is recommending Intel.
 

dmcowen674

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I think this is a load of bull. I didn't think The Register was known for spinning BS.

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Intel Poking at AMD Market Share
Intel's Centrino bonanza is paying off as it steals market share from its competitor Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). Intel's market share grew almost three percent during the 2Q, most of which came from AMD, according to IDC. AMD lost 2.5 percent. (Source: The Register)
 

stevejst

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I think this is a load of bull. I didn't think The Register was known for spinning BS.
Hard to believe? AMD reported 7th consecutive quarter profit loss just about four weeks ago.
Read here.
That gotta be because of decreased market share and price cuts due to the same.
 

stevejst

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And more here.
That is if you think you'll be building Athlon64 system this year. You might only be able to see benchmarks on AMD cheering fan clubs web sites.
It looks like a desktop Hammer will set a record for a hype without availability. This is going on for more than 3 years already and AMD guys are trying real hard to make it 4.
 

redpriest_

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Steve, I'm not quite so sure about being able to run Prescott processors in the current crop of Springdale/Canterwood boards. Here's hoping against hope but it seems to be pretty much confirmed by most major sites that it's not going to be possible =(.
 

stevejst

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Just yesterday the Inquirer had a short article that Prescott 2.8 and 3.0 might be good enough for SD/CW (or vice-versa). The higher clock Prescott might be too demanding for the power consumption reasons. We'll see.
 

soundforbjt

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Originally posted by: HowDoesItWork
"i have a $90 barton 2500+ running at 3200+ speeds. cheaper than 160 and is faster than a 2.4C, and i dont think my rig will be dated anytime soon.. "

You are comparing an overclocked chip to a non-overclocked chip, see anything wrong with that comparison? Also the 2.4c overclocks well with the retail HS/Fan (read free) what are you using on your AMD? Please add that cost in for an honest comparison.

The $170 P4 2.4C (unclocked) runs neck and neck with the $177 2800 barton AMD XP (unclocked) in benchmarks. IMO and from my experience, the P4 will overclock better and on stock cooling to boot. So the price-to-performance ratio favors Intel at this point, not by a lot, but it does (at least on the more advanced chips).

So your 2500+ @3200+ is faster in all benches than my P4C 2.4 @3.4ghz. I'd like to see that!

 

techwanabe

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So your 2500+ @3200+ is faster in all benches than my P4C 2.4 @3.4ghz. I'd like to see that!

Isn't the whole argument that the AMD 2500+ is alot cheaper than the P4 2.4 for a "similar" performance in benchies? Basically, for the money I saved by going AMD, I am getting a nice video card $95 GF4-ti4200 128mb...

seems decent
 

soundforbjt

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Originally posted by: techwanabe
So your 2500+ @3200+ is faster in all benches than my P4C 2.4 @3.4ghz. I'd like to see that!

Isn't the whole argument that the AMD 2500+ is alot cheaper than the P4 2.4 for a "similar" performance in benchies? Basically, for the money I saved by going AMD, I am getting a nice video card $95 GF4-ti4200 128mb...

seems decent

Won't argue that..I have an AMD system running right next to my P4. But I do alot of video encoding and the Intel beats the pants off my AMD rig at that.

But, for gaming I actually prefer the AMD....seems faster in games.

 

techwanabe

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Sounds good. As you can see from my sig, I'm into cheap upgrades and I mostly game and surf so the Barton rig I'm building next week should be a good bang for the buck. All my past platforms have been Intel, so I'm no fanboy of either side.
 

satorn

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After reading this site and sharky for couple of months and for the first time in many years, I am building an Intel system: IS7 + P4 2.4C + GEIL 512MB PC-3200 Value. Just got them from newegg today. I am waiting for the fan and HD to come then I will get to work.

 

dguy6789

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Ok, i will try to give you the most un biased information i can give, there will be some bias, as every bit of any infromation has at least a tiny bit to some deggree:

AMD systems all together are generally cheaper.
AMD athlon xp cpus are cheaper then the intel penitum 4 based cpus to a certain point, an athlon xp 2000+ is about the same as a 2ghz p4, but an athlon xp 2600 is slower then a p4 2.4C, hyper threading and 800 mhz fsb really helps the intel cpu jump leaps and bounds faster then it was before.
Intel's top end cpu is a good deal faster then amd's top end cpu.
i think i have a pretty good explanation here: 2.2 ghz and lower(2200 and lower for amd) amd's pr rating is very accurate, the 2400 would be accurate, but the 2.4c that came out is faster then the 2.4. the barton pr rating is a little messed up imho, it would be right all the way if intel kept the willamett core, but northwood has changed that, and right now, if i had all the money i needed, my desk would have the ultimate pentium 4 setup, however, the ultimate athlon xp setup would perform pretty close, anywhere from 5 - 20% slower is my guess, But correct me if im mistaken, the athlon xp setup would be cheaper, but in return it is slower. The athlon xp also runs hotter then the p4. clock for clock however, the athlon xp is faster then a p4, a 2.2ghz athlon xp would mop the floor ith a p4 at 2.2ghz. But, 2.2ghz is athlon xp's most top end setup, pentium 4 has 3.2ghz, and that makes the difference to come up with the following solution.










You Get What You Pay For.
 

degeester

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I recently built two systems. Intel box is 2.6C, 2x512 Kingston HyperX PC3500 memory, Asus P4C800-E, Seagate Serial ATA 7200.2 (12o Gb), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. AMD box is XP-2400+, FIC AU13 (NForce 2), 2x512 Mushkin Blue, Maxtor 160 Gb ATA, GeForce Ti4200.

I ran benchmarks and the Intel box is not suprisingly faster (but not that much faster) On the subjective measure, the intel box feels better. I switched video cards and memory but still like the intel feel better.

Yes, I paid a lot more in parts for the Intel box.
 
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