People bitching about a nickel.

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her209

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Grocery stores used to provide paper bags. Now you'd be hard pressed to find some when bagging up your groceries at the checkout line.
 

OutHouse

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when i lived in germany the covenda we went to did not give bags. you either brought your own or you just put in your trunk.
 

DrPizza

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Most big stores have those handy bag dispensers the cashiers use. They are pretty time efficient. If customers bring their own bags they have to fumble around with them, and that will add time to the checkout process. They will need to hire more cashiers to compensate.

That's something I never thought about.


Apparently I'm the only person who uses grocery bags as garbage bags? I have a holder in my kitchen that almost perfectly accommodates a grocery bag. After dinner & the dishes are done, I tie the bag closed and throw it in the trash can outside. I don't leave garbage accumulating in my house for days in order to fill a big 30 gallon bag.


Also, those wanting to "stick it to the man," here's a suggestion: Buy a box of hefty garbage bags. Instead of getting the grocery store bags, use the hefty bags to pack your groceries in. When you get home, just stuff the emptied hefty bags into a drawer or wherever you keep your other bags. No 5 cent fee, no reusable bags for the leaky package of chicken to spread salmonella to, for you to transfer to vegetables on your next shopping trip.
 

Patranus

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The point is that the government is unnecessarily driving up costs to advance the agenda of a few, not the majority, and it pisses people off.
 

ElFenix

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The point is that the government is unnecessarily driving up costs to advance the agenda of a few, not the majority, and it pisses people off.

so the majority isn't for cleaner waterways?
 

nageov3t

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Apparently I'm the only person who uses grocery bags as garbage bags? I have a holder in my kitchen that almost perfectly accommodates a grocery bag. After dinner & the dishes are done, I tie the bag closed and throw it in the trash can outside. I don't leave garbage accumulating in my house for days in order to fill a big 30 gallon bag.

that's a good idea

I have a plastic bag stuffed with other plastic bags hanging on my kitchen back door. I'll reuse a bag once or twice to carry stuff to work or my parents' house... when the parent bag gets full, I'll take it to the plastic bag recycling bin at my grocery store and start over.
 

Fear No Evil

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so the majority isn't for cleaner waterways?

No. They are for CLEAN waterways at a reasonable cost and reasonable restrictions on our liberties. I'm sure we could drink the water directly out of the Chicago river if we spent enough money and stopped people from living within 200 miles of it. Are you willing to do that or are you against cleaner water?
 

ElFenix

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No. They are for CLEAN waterways at a reasonable cost and reasonable restrictions on our liberties. I'm sure we could drink the water directly out of the Chicago river if we spent enough money and stopped people from living within 200 miles of it. Are you willing to do that or are you against cleaner water?

personal responsibility until asked to be responsible. people can't be bothered to throw bags into the trash so they end up in waterways. but, you know, if you ask someone to pay for their mess, OH NO YOU"RE MESSING WITH MUH LIBERTAH!

sometimes i think it's amusing that conservative and conservation share the same root word.
 
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CPA

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there's a reason the saying goes "being nickeled and dimed to death".
 

yllus

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The city in which I live, Toronto, instituted a $0.05/bag fee for all retailers within its borders in June '09. I have a whole bunch of reuseable bags that I've always tried to use as much as possible, but I have to admit the addition of the fee compels me strongly to avoid laziness and actually fetch the reusables out before heading to the grocery store.

In short, as a psychological reminder, it seems to work. As a way to collect money that goes towards some green fund or action - around here, there's no compulsion for retailers to do that sort of thing.

I don't mind it.

Oh, I should add, there is one downside: The checkout person usually doesn't bag things for me if it's a reuseable bag. I miss that.
 
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CycloWizard

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You're bitching about people bitching about a nickel. Who's worse? Stores can charge a nickel if they want, just as people are free not to pay it. At least, for now.
 

JS80

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My take is the anti-tax zealots have made it so hard for municipalities to raise taxes, they are turning to "use based" taxes.
Too bad, since these taxes aren't progressive, and in effect benefit wealthy people over everyone else.

You use anti-tax zealot as if that's a bad think, you nickel and dime zealot.
 

GroundedSailor

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FWIW grocery stores work on a VERY thin profit margin and the cost of bags is a big chunk of the budget. It costs a store about 2 cents for one of the typical 2-handle plastic bags and over 5 cents for the largest 1/6 paper with the store logo on it. The way the bags are manufactured is undeniably bad for the environment and it takes the city a ton of cash to deal with clean-up, as much as another 5-6 cents per bag. I'm no enviro-geek, but this is one of the things the left wing wants that actually makes sense. Everyone wins on this and it's going to happen. The touchy-feely places like California will roll it out first and places like Texas will get it last, but in 10 years it's going to cover much of the country.

People will invest a couple of bucks up front for reusable canvas bags and the problem is solved. You're already paying for the bags anyway, the store factors them into the margins. They might not ring up at .5 cents a pop, but you're damn well paying that.

I can go to Sams Club and buy a box of 1000 plastic bags for about $13.50 which is about $0.0135 or 1.35 cents a bag. I'm sure big chains get them much cheaper so the actual cost of the bag is almost irrelevant to the amount of groceries sold per bag.

If the store is collecting 5 cents, in most cases, that goes to the authorities who initiated the fee.

Frankly if one doesn't want to pay that fee then one should use reusable bags. Trader Joes does not charge for bags but they put your name down for a small lottery each time you use a reusable bag. Any incentive to stop using plastic is a good incentive.
 

ElFenix

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You cannot legislation personal responsibility.
(The fatal flaw of "progressive" thinking)

no but you can legislate a pretty damn close approximation, which is often better than the voluntary compliance ***wink, wink, nudge, nudge*** spew that comes from the side claiming that everyone needs to be personally responsible. i think most people would be responsible if they just thought about it but there usually is no immediate impetus to thinking about it. a fee provides that impetus.
 

coloumb

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can I get my money back when I bring my old plastic bags back to the grocery store for recycling?

This.

They charge us a deposit fee for bottles - which is refunded if we turn in the bottle [and the damn automated machine can recognize the UPC bar code].

As for 5 cents a bag - they aren't paying that much for each bag - that's just another way for the store to make a profit over and above what they are already overcharging for groceries [reducing the size/amount of the product / increasing the price].

If they want to start charging for bags - I'd say go for it. I'll shop elsewhere or just bring my own bags.
 

Vette73

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no but you can legislate a pretty damn close approximation, which is often better than the voluntary compliance ***wink, wink, nudge, nudge*** spew that comes from the side claiming that everyone needs to be personally responsible. i think most people would be responsible if they just thought about it but there usually is no immediate impetus to thinking about it. a fee provides that impetus.


Yep. Look how many people started buying fuel effecient cars and taking public trans when gas went up.

Sometimes all it takes is .05 to make big change.
 

Vette73

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This.

They charge us a deposit fee for bottles - which is refunded if we turn in the bottle [and the damn automated machine can recognize the UPC bar code].

As for 5 cents a bag - they aren't paying that much for each bag - that's just another way for the store to make a profit over and above what they are already overcharging for groceries [reducing the size/amount of the product / increasing the price].

If they want to start charging for bags - I'd say go for it. I'll shop elsewhere or just bring my own bags.

Oh geezz...

THE STORES ARE NOT GETTING THE MONEY!!!

This was passed by the city/local gov and they get the money.
 

ecom

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States with bottle bills are strikingly cleaner than states without. I almost never see a bottle or can on the streets where I live. I have gone to states without bottle bills and there are cans and broken glass everywhere. Huge amounts of plastics and aluminum have been recycled, saving America large amounts of money that would have gone for imported oil, and lowered emissions from coal fired power plants that didn't have to provide the electricity to produce virgin aluminum.
Helped US balance of payments. Cut down on landfill usage.
Created jobs that kept money in the US instead of going offshore to pay for oil.

What savings? Unless you are talking metals, most other recycling isn't cost effective. Virgin plastics cost 40% less than recycled and recycled glass costs 2 to 3 times more than raw.
 

Robor

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Our local stores don't charge for bags (yet) but I'm going to buy a few reusable bags next time I get a chance. I'll still get a plastic now and then to take lunch to/from work though.
 

her209

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What savings? Unless you are talking metals, most other recycling isn't cost effective. Virgin plastics cost 40% less than recycled and recycled glass costs 2 to 3 times more than raw.
Where does the un-recycled plastic and glass go and does it have a cost?
 

ecom

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Where does the un-recycled plastic and glass go and does it have a cost?

It goes into a landfill at a lower cost than recycling it. Modern landfills are designed to contain the materials and will not leech into surrounding land or ground water.
 
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