people keep acting like anyone in our government even cares about the constitution...

[zanejohnson]

look, nobody does.


period.


and for us outside the government..

honestly... we dont either..

we just want logical solutions.


screw the constitution, let's rewrite it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

look, nobody does.


period.


and for us outside the government..

honestly... we dont either..

we just want logical solutions.


screw the constitution, let's rewrite it.

Why bother? If neither you nor or representatives care about your rights it's all toilet paper. Make it a list of worst beer.

 

[zanejohnson]

Why bother? If neither you nor or representatives care about your rights it's all toilet paper. Make it a list of worst beer.

i agree.

we need to just rip that shit up and start over.


beers in america: least to worst:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have a case of Sam's Summer Ale. May not be the world's best but it's one of my go to's.

That can be the Fourth!

 

[sportage]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constitution is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons, and their use to blow away children in a classroom. They could have never imagined jet airplanes hijacked and used as weapons. They could have never imagined the internet or todays technology. Put it this way... Just imagine building your own $800,000 estate home then leaving out the indoor plumbing, only because that was the way homes were built 200+ years ago. There is no way something written 200+ years ago could apply word for word in todays world.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constituion is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons, and their use to blow away children in a classroom. They could have never imagined jet airplanes hijacked and used as weapons. They could have never imagined the internet or todays technology. Put it this way... Just imagine building your own $800,000 estate home then leaving out the indoor plumbing, only because that was the way homes were built 200+ years ago. There is no way something written 200+ years ago could apply word for word in todays world.

Yeah they were so safe living in a world where the government could kick you out of your house to house troops. And those assault rifles! And the Founders were so safe without "assault weapons". Never mind they were likely to be hung for getting to secure the rights you are so glibly toss aside. We need The Great Eye watching over us so Ole Snooper can use the One Ring to rule us all.

It seems that every era has people in the crowd hired to whisper "he's right you know".

 

[ivwshane]

Lol, you guys think nobody in our government is following the constitution and think we should start over?! Just exact who do you think would be writing our new constitution? The very politicians who can't even follow the old one.

The smart thing to do would be to start expecting higher standards from your elected officials and in order to do that we the people must be educated on the issues. Not only that but we have to be able to recognize political games when they are played and we have to be smart enough to not only recognize talking points but also to be able to find out the truth and spread that knowledge.

It's no easy task and I have little faith that anything will change.

 

[Emos]

I have a case of Sam's Summer Ale. May not be the world's best but it's one of my go to's.

That can be the Fourth!

Had that, it's pretty good. Also like the Leinenkugel Summer Shandy, similar lemony brew. Too depressed to pontificate on the original topic so I'll stick my head in the sand and talk about beer instead

 

[Doppel]

The constitution exists as a tool to limit government overreach, so naturally the government resents it and continues to work against it whenever it can.

 

[NesuD]

Right lets rewrite the Constitution. Turn loose a bunch of legal beagles on it. Bets it is at least 40,000 pages of legalese that no one will be able to understand. It will look like the worlds longest EULA. I for one have no desire for something like that.

 

[sixone]

screw the constitution, let's rewrite it.

Who are you gonna get to do the rewrite? The yokels that brought us Obamacare?

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[xj0hnx]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constitution is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons, and their use to blow away children in a classroom. They could have never imagined jet airplanes hijacked and used as weapons. They could have never imagined the internet or todays technology. Put it this way... Just imagine building your own $800,000 estate home then leaving out the indoor plumbing, only because that was the way homes were built 200+ years ago. There is no way something written 200+ years ago could apply word for word in todays world.

Bunch of BS. There's nothing wrong with it, machine guns don't make a difference, it's still people that have to use them. It doesn't need to apply "word for word".

 

[BoberFett]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constitution is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons, and their use to blow away children in a classroom. They could have never imagined jet airplanes hijacked and used as weapons. They could have never imagined the internet or todays technology. Put it this way... Just imagine building your own $800,000 estate home then leaving out the indoor plumbing, only because that was the way homes were built 200+ years ago. There is no way something written 200+ years ago could apply word for word in todays world.

Liar.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah they were so safe living in a world where the government could kick you out of your house to house troops. And those assault rifles! And the Founders were so safe without "assault weapons". Never mind they were likely to be hung for getting to secure the rights you are so glibly toss aside. We need The Great Eye watching over us so Ole Snooper can use the One Ring to rule us all.

It seems that every era has people in the crowd hired to whisper "he's right you know".

The founding fathers owned slaves, denied women the right to vote, and criminalized the act of criticizing the government. There was precious little enforcement of individual rights in those days. They didn't even usually exclude evidence obtained illegally. These rights existed mainly on paper in the early days.

The history of our relationship to the Constitution is complicated. It ebbs and flows. Since 9/11 it has obviously been ebbing. I'd like to see that trend stopped and reversed. However, this constant mythologizing of the past to make the bogus point that our long term arc is away from the Constitution just isn't historically accurate.

 

[Agent11]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constitution is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons, and their use to blow away children in a classroom. They could have never imagined jet airplanes hijacked and used as weapons. They could have never imagined the internet or todays technology. Put it this way... Just imagine building your own $800,000 estate home then leaving out the indoor plumbing, only because that was the way homes were built 200+ years ago. There is no way something written 200+ years ago could apply word for word in todays world.

I disagree.

What is the difference between an email and a letter? Fundamentally they are the same and equal protection should exist for both.

As for weaponry and planes, people have been killing people since the dawn of time, do you really think a grown man with a bayonet on his musket or a sword would be incapable of killing many defenseless people? Obviously one could, but that did not make them ban muskets or bayonets or swords. Also there were most definitely pirates hijacking ships running around with full compliments of cannons that the founding fathers would have been aware of. Did they outlaw ships or cannons? No they had a Navy to kill pirates.

The founding fathers understood that freedom was the most important right, and tried to take measures to insure that the government could not abuse it too horribly. If they were aware of some of the abuses that people today have managed to find rationalizations for they would have worded things more proactively. (imo)

 

[Oyeve]

People only care about the constitution when it suits them, govt included.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The founding fathers owned slaves, denied women the right to vote, and criminalized the act of criticizing the government. There was precious little enforcement of individual rights in those days. They didn't even usually exclude evidence obtained illegally. These rights existed mainly on paper in the early days.

The history of our relationship to the Constitution is complicated. It ebbs and flows. Since 9/11 it has obviously been ebbing. I'd like to see that trend stopped and reversed. However, this constant mythologizing of the past to make the bogus point that our long term arc is away from the Constitution just isn't historically accurate.

The concepts of freedom have evolved since then and have grown to encompass those who did not have them before. Over time it has been changed to reflect that, and that's a good thing. I have however seen "The Constitution is not a suicide pact" and the like.

Regarding the "long term arc", for most of history what we are discussing as far as things like the NSA go was impossible. It was magic. Today it's difficult, but will become increasingly feasible to become more invasive more often. That trend is not going to change. If we didn't have a leak you wouldn't even know about it, and that's what I believe you missing. The politics may ebb and flow, but the means by which violations occur have no practical limitations. How can you defend against such actions? By voting out people who support it and installing people who support it? That's exactly the problem unless you are talking theory. There isn't enough money available to anyone who could stand against the Big Two parties, and if they did take control of the White House what then? He or she would be left out to dry by everyone else and would accomplish nothing. Then the "We told you we were better" would happen.

The problem isn't the myths of the past, it's the disregard of basic principles grounded in our founding, one of the chief being that the powers of government derive from the will of the people. I submit the people haven't much of a choice other than smoke and mirrors these days.

 

[Anarchist420]

I hate the Constitution because all it ever did was increase the power of the central govt.

A single executive is incompatible with liberty.

Look at how many authoritarian Presidents we've had... even Jefferson the President was different than Jefferson the Revolutionary. If legislation sets up an executive, then that power will be abused to no end.

 

[xj0hnx]

I hate the Constitution because all it ever did was increase the power of the central govt.

A single executive is incompatible with liberty.

Look at how many authoritarian Presidents we've had... even Jefferson the President was different than Jefferson the Revolutionary. If legislation sets up an executive, then that power will be abused to no end.

You don't really understand our government at all do you?

 

[OGOC]

Considering the era it was written, and the way things are today that could have never been imagined back 200+ years ago, I think its fair to say the constitution is pretty much out of step, to say the least. They could have never imagined the availability of assault weapons,

I don't see why not since semi-automatic-type arms with 10 or 20 rounds did exist around that time.

What the Founders for certain envisioned is a government growing ever more corrupt and tyrannical and using its power to do things like spy on citizens and imprison them without trial, or even kill them. ...Hey, that sounds familiar.

The U.S. government is sending "assault weapons" to other countries so citizens there can fight for liberty and freedom against their oppressive government. At the same time, the U.S. government wants to ban those weapons from its own citizens.

What's an "assault weapon" btw? I'd like to hear a definition.

 

[Anarchist420]

You don't really understand our government at all do you?

I understand it a lot better than you do.

 

[Zorkorist]

The Constitution of the United States is a document enumerating powers of the Federal Government. There are very few powers withheld.

The Bill of Rights, the first ten Amendments to the Constitution, were deemed necessary by the founding fathers to provide some protection from the Federal Government and the Constitution.

It worked for a while, but today, 200+ years later, we see that Government has become the monster our founding fathers feared.

-John

 

[xj0hnx]

I understand it a lot better than you do.

No, you clearly do not. You have one of the most seriously misguided views of our government that I have ever seen.

 

[MtnMan]

The re-write would effectively say:

sit down
shut-up
turn in all guns
remove the locks from your home to make searches easier
disable all encryption on your computers
follow instructions closely on who you may vote for
and joyfully submit 50% of your income to the government.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

look, nobody does.


period.


and for us outside the government..

honestly... we dont either..

we just want logical solutions.


screw the constitution, let's rewrite it.

Found the magical chewable patches again?

You're not making any sense.