People migrating from blue to red suberbs...because its more affordable

[blackangst1]

So it seems blue states suburban areas are becoming more expensive than red, and people are moving out. It would be interesting to look deeper into why this is, but its sure happening.

https://www.redfin.com/blog/2017/10...people-leaving-politically-blue-counties.html

highlights:

Redfin’s user data covers more than 72 percent of the voting age population and is concentrated in urban metropolises, which gives us a specific and recent look at where residents of blue counties are looking to move. While our analysis looked only at metro areas Redfin serves, its results are right in line with the latest county-to-county migration data published by the Census, which revealed that from 2011 to 2015, over 50 percent more migrants moved from blue to red counties than the other way around.

“As blue counties are becoming increasingly less affordable, we see a great number of residents moving to red counties where they can afford the lifestyle they want,”

Nationwide, the average home in a blue county costs around $360,000—more than 62 percent more than that of homes in red counties ($223,000)

Another source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-price/taxes-regulations-and-vot_b_8973816.html

All but three of these destinations lean Republican or are very Republican.

What about the states that are experiencing an exodus? Here is that list in order:

New Jersey
New York
Illinois
Connecticut
Ohio
Kansas
Massachusetts
West Virginia
Mississippi
Maryland
They are in overwhelmingly liberal states. With the exception of Mississippi, these states are all “true blue.”

 

[JSt0rm]

now spend some time wondering why these blue state places are more expensive.

 

[Aegeon]

So it seems blue states suburban areas are becoming more expensive than red, and people are moving out. It would be interesting to look deeper into why this is, but its sure happening.

https://www.redfin.com/blog/2017/10...people-leaving-politically-blue-counties.html

highlights:


Another source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-price/taxes-regulations-and-vot_b_8973816.html

Uh, the second article does have a couple major factual errors in it.

West Virginia is basically rather clearly a red state at this point, at least in terms of national politics, and Kansas very much is a red state. While Ohio may be a swing state, it very much is in that category with plenty of elements which shift it towards being slightly leaning red if anything.

In terms of the big picture, today more urbanized areas tend to be more expensive but also more left leaning, while suburban areas are typically cheaper but at least historically more rightward leaning as a general rule. (In other words allot of the variation by county has absolutely nothing to do with actual political policies.)

Incidentally when looking at individual states, in the case of New York for example basically the one part of the state that is growing is New York City, with the comparatively conservative area of Staten Island being the one part of the NY City boroughs growing more slowly. By contrast allot of the upstate rural and more conservative areas of the state are the areas actually losing population.

 

[fskimospy]

So it seems blue states suburban areas are becoming more expensive than red, and people are moving out. It would be interesting to look deeper into why this is, but its sure happening.

https://www.redfin.com/blog/2017/10...people-leaving-politically-blue-counties.html

highlights:


Another source: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-price/taxes-regulations-and-vot_b_8973816.html

Yes, housing costs are becoming unaffordable in coastal liberal areas so people are moving away from them. That’s been known for a long time, what’s new here?

It’s basically that these liberal coastal areas are the economic engine that drives America but as growth and wealth becomes more concentrated at the top regular people can’t keep up. They are just too ultra competitive so people leave and move to less competitive conservative areas.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, housing costs are becoming unaffordable in coastal liberal areas so people are moving away from them. That’s been known for a long time, what’s new here?

It’s basically that these liberal coastal areas are the economic engine that drives America but as growth and wealth becomes more concentrated at the top regular people can’t keep up. They are just too ultra competitive so people leave and move to less competitive conservative areas.

By more competitive I assume you mean people more interested in making money who have educated themselves in high earning professions, people with doubtless better intellectual skills but perhaps not even morally superior. I have seen the kinds of competitive ruthlessly bullying kids these people have and infect the school system with, disgusting little social climbing monsters. Little costal islands of I ME ME MINE.

 

[fskimospy]

By more competitive I assume you mean people more interested in making money who have educated themselves in high earning professions, people with doubtless better intellectual skills but perhaps not even morally superior. I have seen the kinds of competitive ruthlessly bullying kids these people have and infect the school system with, disgusting little social climbing monsters. Little costal islands of I ME ME MINE.

Yes it’s not about morality or whatever, it’s about economic competitiveness. As it relates to the OP though, people aren’t leaving those areas because they are immoral or whatever, it’s that the demand to live there is sky-high and a lot of regular people can’t afford it due to a mix of attractiveness and shitty housing policy.

 

[KMFJD]

Don't worry, you guys'll just gerrymander the districts to your liking anyways...

 

[Jaskalas]

now spend some time wondering why these blue state places are more expensive.

It used to be desired because you'd earn enough money through labor to offset it, or gain an advantage. Not anymore.

 

[fskimospy]

It used to be desired because you'd earn enough money through labor to offset it, or gain an advantage. Not anymore.

This is very true and it’s a big problem. These areas are super attractive economically but are infested by NIMBY-ism so they can’t reach their full potential. Housing policy is a disaster and it’s holding people back.

I’m not confident it will change any time soon either. There was a thread about California housing policy recently and people seemed very supportive of keeping those dumb policies in place.

 

[Commodus]

It's really not that hard: those red states aren't attractive because they're doing something right (or that blue states are doing something inherently wrong), it's because they have geographic traits that keep prices down.

Take Texas, for example. Property is cheaper because Texas is mostly very flat -- you can usually build further out instead of building up. Even a posh apartment in the liberal bastion of Austin is significantly cheaper than a 1-bedroom in New York or San Francisco, because people can always go further and further into the boonies if the price is too high. NY and SF are so expensive in part because they're geographically limited. Even if San Francisco decided to tear down the Painted Ladies and replace them with apartment blocks, there's only so much room for those apartments.

Besides, I'm not sure conservatives want to celebrate... blue states will likely remain blue, but red states don't necessarily have the population density needed to avoid changes in voting demographics. And there's only so much gerrymandering Republicans can do to suppress the will of the people.

 

[blackangst1]

Don't worry, you guys'll just gerrymander the districts to your liking anyways...

Who are you talking to?

 

[zinfamous]

Sucks for republicans. They'll never win another state if this keeps up.

 

[pauldun170]

In NY, the decline is upstate.

Some of the largest percentage population declines were in Chautauqua County in western New York, Jefferson County in the north country, and Broome County on the Southern Tier.
http://www.newyorkupstate.com/news/...ows_which_counties_are_growing_shrinking.html

http://alloveralbany.com/archive/2016/11/09/new-york-state-presidential-election-2016-county-r

The counties seeing decline are Republican counties
Seems like we are shipping Trump supporters south.
My county also saw a decline but like the others...its republican town around here.

 

[senseamp]

It's happening, and it's only going to accelerate with Republicans targeting blue states for higher taxes. I think it's going to be good for the country in terms of distribution of talent, and it's going to be great for the Democrats nationally. Think of techies leaving CA and moving to NC, TX, CO, VA, etc. They aren't going to become Republicans with GOP attacking words "science" and "evidence."

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes it’s not about morality or whatever, it’s about economic competitiveness. As it relates to the OP though, people aren’t leaving those areas because they are immoral or whatever, it’s that the demand to live there is sky-high and a lot of regular people can’t afford it due to a mix of attractiveness and shitty housing policy.

Hehe, I expected the shitty housing policies to fit in here somewhere.

 

[KMFJD]

Who are you talking to?

Americans?

 

[blackangst1]

Americans?

Ok lol

 

[Greenman]

As a fellow who's planing to move from a deep blue state to a red state, the answer is simple. I can buy a very nice house and pay cash for it, have low property taxes, very little traffic, a large buffer between me and my neighbors, and not have to pay the city $200 if I want to change a doorknob.
I'm so sick of crowded city's and impassable freeways that I can't see straight. I'm moving to a red state where I'll be a hard core NIMBY.

 

[shortylickens]

they're doing it because land values are low. land values are low because locals cant get and keep decent jobs. they cant get and keep decent jobs because they have shitty educations. they have shitty educations because they prioritize Jeezus over school.

 

[senseamp]

It's healthy for a country when people move from blue states and spread liberal ideas. One of big problems of liberals is they are concentrated in urban areas in too few states.

 

[Greenman]

they're doing it because land values are low. land values are low because locals cant get and keep decent jobs. they cant get and keep decent jobs because they have shitty educations. they have shitty educations because they prioritize Jeezus over school.

What a load of self serving bullshit. At least have the balls to admit that you hate them because they don't think the way you do. 50 years ago you'd have been hanging black men spewing the same garbage. I despise this bigoted crap.

 

[UberNeuman]

What a load of self serving bullshit. At least have the balls to admit that you hate them because they don't think the way you do. 50 years ago you'd have been hanging black men spewing the same garbage. I despise this bigoted crap.

lol.

 

[Starbuck1975]

now spend some time wondering why these blue state places are more expensive.

Taxes, and inflated housing prices due for a correction.

I live in a blue state deep in Clinton country, and I've enjoyed hearing the water cooler conversations now that the upper middle class may take a tax hit. Some are starting to ponder relocation. Still others, rather than lament not being able to deduct their state and local taxes, are actually starting to question why those taxes are so high to begin with. When those taxes provided a nice little deduction cushion, no reason to question them. Now, people may actually question what those taxes actually pay for.

 

[JSt0rm]

Taxes, and inflated housing prices due for a correction.

I live in a blue state deep in Clinton country, and I've enjoyed hearing the water cooler conversations now that the upper middle class may take a tax hit. Some are starting to ponder relocation. Still others, rather than lament not being able to deduct their state and local taxes, are actually starting to question why those taxes are so high to begin with. When those taxes provided a nice little deduction cushion, no reason to question them. Now, people may actually question what those taxes actually pay for.

why are the housing prices "inflated"? The rest of your post is derp express.

 

[EduCat]

Here in Chicago you have a lot of gentrification going on, which is inevitable I guess. A big issue though is that they are turning everything into 1.5 mil single family homes. 2/4 renters move out, one family moves in.

You also have things they like to sneak in here and there like the soda tax. I got a 4/10 12 pack deal that rang up to like 17.50 lmao. Repealed super quick but it's par for the course here. I've never seen gas go below $3.00 In my hood, shit like that.

Suburbs in Chicagoland are getting crowded as fuck too tho so I'd have to move far out and prob find another job to avoid sitting in life ruining traffic.

Lot of people are pretty poor these days. It's the only place with plentiful good jobs but it's hard to sustain now. (In the midwest)