people who kill themselves: ?

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: sao123
My motivation is simple: to spend eternity with Jesus Christ in heaven...

What is the guy turns out to be a sanctimonious bore who was merely the benefit of 2,000 years of first class PR? What then?

...as opposed to in a lake of fire for eternal punishment.

Now, see, "lake of fire" just smells wildly imprecise to me. What if Hell has just gotten a bad rap in the press based on passing misinformation, like eggs (good for you, then BAD for you, now good for you again) or masturbation (the current thinking is that you can't go blind.)

"Lake of fire", pfffft, sounds more like a nice sauna, perhaps filled with tons of large-breasted prostitutes who have also sinned.

Maybe Hell is simply South Florida and actually has a ton of redeeming qualities (some nice beaches, every chain store known to man) that have simply been under-reported in the Mainstream Ecclesiastical Press?

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what do you think happens to them?

They become dust.

 

[compuwiz1]

So, what happens to people who kill themselves?

Well, first a bullet rips thru their skull, shutting off the brain, while the body oozes blood. Breathing stops and all vital organs shut down. The body relaxes and sometimes urninates or excretes on itself. There is a dying quiver followed by rigormortis, normally occurring on the final trip in the ambulance to a hospital where the obvious will be confirmed. Next they are taken to a morg, where the undertaker will embalm them and make them up all pretty for the family to see. Finally the coffin they are placed in goes deep in the ground and is covered in earth. A nice headstone is placed upon the site. Next......the worms roll in the worms roll out, the worms play pinnochle on your snout. :music:

Is this the kind of answer you were looking for, JohnCU? :laugh:

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So, what happens to people who kill themselves?

Well, first a bullet rips thru their skull, shutting off the brain, while the body oozes blood. Breathing stops and all vital organs shut down. The body relaxes and sometimes urninates or excretes on itself. There is a dying quiver followed by rigormortis, normally occurring on the final trip in the ambulance to a hospital where the obvious will be confirmed. Next they are taken to a morg, where the undertaker will embalm them and make them up all pretty for the family to see. Finally the coffin they are placed in goes deep in the ground and is covered in earth. A nice headstone is placed upon the site. Next......the worms roll in the worms roll out, the worms play pinnochle on your snout. :music:

Is this the kind of answer you were looking for, JohnCU? :laugh:

horrible. id much rather run a hose from the exhaust of my car into the cab and turn the radio on.

after that, were good

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

:laugh:

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: thepd7
Really John? Drunk at 11 AM?

go suck a dick bitch

:laugh:

 

[RobertLeTiers]

From the late, great, David Foster Wallace:

"The so-called ?psychotically depressed? person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote ?hopelessness? or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level person will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flame. Yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ?Don?t!? and ?Hang on!?, can understand the jump. Not really. You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."

 

[JohnCU]

my god it's a lurker

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: RobertLeTiers
From the late, great, David Foster Wallace:

"The so-called ?psychotically depressed? person who tries to kill herself doesn't do so out of quote ?hopelessness? or any abstract conviction that life's assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level person will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flame. Yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ?Don?t!? and ?Hang on!?, can understand the jump. Not really. You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."

:thumbsup:

 

[RobertLeTiers]

Originally posted by: JohnCU
my god it's a lurker

My god, it's JohnCU.

 

[RobertLeTiers]

Edit: Double posts are fail.

 

[her209]

What if they kill themselves on accident? What then?

 

[JohnCU]

Originally posted by: RobertLeTiers

Originally posted by: JohnCU
my god it's a lurker

My god, it's JohnCU.

you da man!

 

[RobertLeTiers]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: RobertLeTiers

Originally posted by: JohnCU
my god it's a lurker

My god, it's JohnCU.

you da man!

You da man!

 

[IronWing]

I only person I've known who was actively suicidal (had made one failed attempt and was still in that state of mind) wasn't terrified of anything. She was completely shut down emotionally. No fear at all. She thought her life sucked and the way to solve the problem was to kill herself. She was so far gone emotionally she would talk in a very open manner about her next scheme for doing herself in. In her depression, she didn't even realize anyone might notice her plans and take action to prevent her from carrying them out. As I write this, it sounds like she was just attention whoring but she wasn't, she was just so inwardly focused nothing external registered. She's feeling much better now.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ironwing
She's feeling much better now.

And now only wishes to kill you, for a robust set of entirely understandable reasons that lie outside the purview of this particular thread.

Still, that's progress.

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sao123
If you think religion needs proof in order that you should believe in it, you have no understanding of religion at all.

So what's your motivation to believe in something that's not real?

That's just your belief, Nik.

But his belief is justified, yours isn't. Get over it.

My belief that something that doesn't exist isn't justified but his belief in something that isn't real is?

:laugh:

I was on your side, maybe that wasn't clear. I figured people had read my previous post.

 

[shortylickens]

I know only one thing: People die when they are killed.

 

[DainBramaged]

They go to hell.

/thread

 

[videogames101]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sao123
If you think religion needs proof in order that you should believe in it, you have no understanding of religion at all.

So what's your motivation to believe in something that's not real?

That's just your belief, Nik.

But his belief is justified, yours isn't. Get over it.

Beliefs of every stripe are just that, beliefs, based on suppostions that can't be PROVEN, which is ispo facto why they are called beliefs and not facts.

You can't prove or disprove the existence of God. Ultimately, for each side, it is what they chose to believe.

Actually, although we can't KNOW anything except tautologies, we can use all available evidence to determine which side is more likely correct. In this case, the lack of evidence for a god means that probabilistically speaking he doesn't exist.

 

[videogames101]

The idea that a belief is something that you need no evidence for is BS. You can believe something all you want, it doesn't make it true or false. Until you care whether your beliefs are true or not, it's not even worth debating those beliefs.

 

[Leafy]

Originally posted by: sao123

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Can you substantiate that claim?

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
The only 'conflict' arises is when people use religion to answer questions that science is useful for and vice-versa.

What is the vice-versa you refer to? Where is religion useful?

 

[Leafy]

Originally posted by: sao123

my personal experiences are enough to prove to me it is real, which is not to say it will prove it to you, nor will I try.

My motivation is simple: to spend eternity with Jesus Christ in heaven, as opposed to in a lake of fire for eternal punishment.

I dont need proof, only faith.

you however who needs proof, there is one available for you...eventually

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
An interesting theological and/or ethical question. Unfortunately I'm not exactly qualified to answer it as I'm not really sure how to frame my argument. I am Catholic and as many of you know the church has some very detailed positions about it. I can't say I agree with some of what they say though. I've heard it said that 'suicide is how people die from depression'. However, some people do commit suicide for selfish/sinful reasons. I don't think that there is a blanket answer to the question. I suppose I would say that it depends on how much a person is in control of their mental faculties. The mentally ill probably won't burn, but the 'I'm not going to prison' crowd just might. It really depends on the circumstances.

/flamesuit

lolreligion

Ummm....tell us how you really feel?

It's refreshing to see someone claiming to be Catholic and not automatically jumping to the "suicide is sin and everyone who does it will go to hell" garbage.

However, even though nobody knows what happens after death because it's not observable, measurable, or repeatable, I think it's funny that people resort to conjuring up magic invisible zombie deities and believing it without a shred of evidence to try explaining the unknown.

its refreshing to think that some guy names moses started a religion which has lasted for overs 6 thousand years, furthermore, it still has more followeers worldwide than any other. Finally it has a significant nonzero chance that it is actually true.

Other than slinging mudd towards the people who believe that which has not nor will be proven untrue...what the hell have or will you ever accomplish in your lifetime that could even begin to compare.

Apart from Moses in all likelihood never having existed, the Jews never having been enslaved in Egypt and Moses not even being the founder of Christianity, you're entirely correct.