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fatpat268

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It was ok, but I don't really understand the point. Still has sugar, and still has artificial sweeteners. If I go the route of drinking a cola with artificial sweeteners in the first place, I'd rather drink a Coke zero instead.
 

Fritzo

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I don't see the purpose: 1/2 the calories, still tastes like diet, why not just drink diet?

Oh, and please stop the sweetener causes cancer crap. It's never been true.
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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I don't see the purpose: 1/2 the calories, still tastes like diet, why not just drink diet?

Oh, and please stop the sweetener causes cancer crap. It's never been true.

False!

The maximum daily dose over the course of a life-time that is considered safe is about six sodas a day.
 

QueBert

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I don't see the purpose: 1/2 the calories, still tastes like diet, why not just drink diet?

Oh, and please stop the sweetener causes cancer crap. It's never been true.

It tastes absolutely nothing like diet, it's way closer to normal Pepsi than diet.
 

Saint Nick

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Maybe, I havent had Pepsi w/sugar in a bottle.
I think it's the can that does it for me. I feel like that the can version of "Pepsi Throwback" is flat. If you can find it, get Pepsi bottled in Mexico. My local groceries (Kroger and Hy-Vee) both carry "Mexican" Coke and Pepsi.

Great stuff!
 

QueBert

Lifer
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I guess some people don't have the ability to taste poison

Waters far more poisonous than this is, if you drink too much water at once you can die. You cannot die the same way from drinking sugary goodness. You ever heard of water poisoning? If not, Google it. Ever heard of soda poisoning? No you haven't, because there's no such thing.

brb going to go get some "poison" and I'm not talking about water.
 
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Dr. Zaus

Lifer
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Waters far more poisonous than this is, if you drink too much water at once you can die. You cannot die the same way from drinking sugary goodness. You ever heard of water poisoning? If not, Google it. Ever heard of soda poisoning? No you haven't, because there's no such thing.

brb going to go get some "poison" and I'm not talking about water.

I don't think it "IS" all that poisonous: i think there is the bitter "sweet" of aspartame, a distinct "poison" flavor that permeates anything that has aspartame in it.

If some people are saying half-aspartame is good then they must not be able to taste the poison. I only drink diet soda, I just ignore the poison: but i would never drink half-sugar just to marginally reduce that after taste.
 

epidemis

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If not, Google it. Ever heard of soda poisoning? No you haven't, because there's no such thing.

brb going to go get some "poison" and I'm not talking about water.
I googled soda poisoning:
"About 2,860,000 results (0.23 seconds) "

It was ok, but I don't really understand the point.
The proposition is thus:
For HFCS cola drinkers: reduce your intake of sugar, calories while keeping the taste

Diet drinkers: Improve taste, reduce the amount of artificial sweeteners (yes, it's using a mixture of sweeteners to aid taste, but the overall amount is lower). The added calories are a trade-off but not a huge one.
 

Fritzo

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False!

The maximum daily dose over the course of a life-time that is considered safe is about six sodas a day.

National Cancer Institute vs. Dude on Internet Forum...who to believe?

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners

Saccharin:
Subsequent studies in rats showed an increased incidence of urinary bladder cancer at high doses of saccharin, especially in male rats. However, mechanistic studies (studies that examine how a substance works in the body) have shown that these results apply only to rats. Human epidemiology studies (studies of patterns, causes, and control of diseases in groups of people) have shown no consistent evidence that saccharin is associated with bladder cancer incidence.

Because the bladder tumors seen in rats are due to a mechanism not relevant to humans and because there is no clear evidence that saccharin causes cancer in humans, saccharin was delisted in 2000 from the U.S. National Toxicology Program’s Report on Carcinogens, where it had been listed since 1981 as a substance reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen (a substance known to cause cancer). More information about the delisting of saccharin is available at http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/eleventh/append/appb.pdf on the Internet. The delisting led to legislation, which was signed into law on December 21, 2000, repealing the warning label requirement for products containing saccharin.

Aspartame
In 2005, a laboratory study found more lymphomas and leukemias in rats fed very high doses of aspartame (equivalent to drinking 8 to 2,083 cans of diet soda daily) (1). However, there were some inconsistencies in the findings. For example, the number of cancer cases did not rise with increasing amounts of aspartame as would be expected. An FDA statement on this study can be found at http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/2006/ucm108650.htm on the Internet.

Subsequently, NCI examined human data from the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study of over half a million retirees. Increasing consumption of aspartame-containing beverages was not associated with the development of lymphoma, leukemia, or brain cancer (2).

Acesulfame potassium, Sucralose, and Neotame
Before approving these sweeteners, the FDA reviewed more than 100 safety studies that were conducted on each sweetener, including studies to assess cancer risk. The results of these studies showed no evidence that these sweeteners cause cancer or pose any other threat to human health.

Cyclamate
Because the findings in rats suggested that cyclamate might increase the risk of bladder cancer in humans, the FDA banned the use of cyclamate in 1969. After reexamination of cyclamate’s carcinogenicity and the evaluation of additional data, scientists concluded that cyclamate was not a carcinogen or a co-carcinogen (a substance that enhances the effect of a cancer-causing substance). A food additive petition was filed with the FDA for the reapproval of cyclamate, but this petition is currently being held in abeyance (not actively being considered). The FDA’s concerns about cyclamate are not cancer related.
 

slag

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I don't see the purpose: 1/2 the calories, still tastes like diet, why not just drink diet?

Oh, and please stop the sweetener causes cancer crap. It's never been true.

Less than half the calories, no diet aftertaste.
 

epidemis

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@Fritzo

Unless you can show me a study with a huge sample they follow for 50 years, I'd trust my 100 million years selected taste buds
 

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I'm really not a nutter when it comes to diet drinks or a lot of other things that go into foods. But I'm also not so naive to think that the FDA is the be all, end all beacon of truth when it comes to the saftey of everything that they approve. There's been no shortage of drugs that passed approval and were later revoked. With these types of things it's more of a long term exposure than high does fed to a lab rat over a short duration.

I also do not fully trust the objective nature of the FDA. I want to. But it's still a government body and we all know that money tends to sway some attitudes/opinions on things.
 

Fritzo

Lifer
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I'm not sure what you were trying to say, but you posted a link that proved him right...was that your intent??



I said artificial sweeteners do not cause cancer.

He said the max safe dosage is 6 drinks per day (implying more will give you cancer).

I posted a link officially saying artificial sweeteners do not have any links to cancer.
 
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