perfect murder weapon?

[Via]

CO gas

Don't high levels of CO stay in the system?

 

[UncleWai]

A frozen tofu carved in the shape of a large dildo

 

[tommo123]

How would you get that much blood without killing them first?

long term plan but hire a van, make it look like one of those blood drive things and take their blood that way. only need a pint

when you meet again - "let me reintroduce you to an old friend"

 

[mikeymikec]

thinking about this - for no particular reason and thought of the icicle as a stabbing weapon - but would leave a lot of water right? :thumbsdown:

I remember this being discussed in primary school coming up for thirty years ago.

 

[John Connor]

There are a thousand and one ways to kill someone the only problem is getting rid of the evidence. You could shot the guy and just throw the hand gun in a lake. Wear gloves. But if you could buy multiple blocks of dry ice and stack 'em then put your victim in a noose and prop him up on the dry ice the only thing that will be evident is a hanging. Or just use a chair and make it look like a suicide.

DNA and finger prints are a bitch. You leave one piece of hair at the crime scene and it will tie you to it.

 

[Anonemous]

/play more Hitman games...

 

[mikeymikec]

DNA and finger prints are a bitch. You leave one piece of hair at the crime scene and it will tie you to it.

Which could be solved by committing a crime in a place that you normally go, then your DNA/fingerprints are there for a valid reason.

Somewhere like a hairdresser's salon would be a bitch for the forensics team, only about a thousand DNA samples knocking around

Or you could raid the bin of a hairdresser's salon and use it to pollute your crime scene.

 

[mikeymikec]

Advice to OP: Deal with girlfriend problems instead of fantasising about murder.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Icicle would be a bad choice. With any bladed or pick type melee weapon, there's going to be blood spatter. You may get rid of the murder weapon but there's still ways to tie the crime to you. Especially if it gets on your clothes or shoes. You could burn them, but you'd have to make sure you weren't seen doing so, or even wearing or carrying the bloody items.

I'd personally go with poison. A fast acting one that metabolizes quickly. Difficult to detect during the toxicology screenings. It's also more discrete and leaves little evidence provided you don't obtain it through legal channels.

Ehh, I'd go with a suppressed .22. In an urban or big city area, you don't exactly need a high powered rifle, and the bullet itself is less likely to be traced (if at all) due to it's susceptibility to damage. Even if the did get some distinguishing marks, a barrel swap is cheap and easy enough.

 

[darkxshade]

The murder weapon is great for determining the cause of death but is of little importance when compared to the "other" evidence unknowingly left behind that usually gets people caught.

 

[BoomerD]

If you're gonna do it...do it right.

They can't investigate you if you take out the investigators while you're at it... ()

 

[boochi]

Hand loaded frozen meat bullets fired into the stomach. When it thaws it will just appear as normal stomach content. I think I saw this somewhere.

 

[mrkun]

thinking about this - for no particular reason and thought of the icicle as a stabbing weapon - but would leave a lot of water right? :thumbsdown:

what about an icicle made of your victims blood? :awe:

Wasn't there an episode of Dexter like this?

 

[HumblePie]

Hand loaded frozen meat bullets fired into the stomach. When it thaws it will just appear as normal stomach content. I think I saw this somewhere.

Anything fired out of a gun is going to have powder residue. Unless you have a rail gun that can accelerate meat!

However, if the OP is asking about a murder weapon that is completely untraceable, there are just way too many to count.

As others noted, it's the other things at a scene is what gets people in the end in terms of finding them legally. Or outside the scene.

Speaking of which, unless there is DNA evidence or actual eye witness testimony along with a mountain of other circumstantial evidence it is really hard to try a murder case these days. Especially in light of recent findings of the lack of actual good science used in "forensic" science.

Don't be seen as having a motive for the person you intend to kill, nor the opportunity either. That right there makes damn near any weapon you want to use "perfect" because it is those elements, along with any potential dna you may leave at the scene, as the only ways to trace a murder back to you.

 

[CPricecrispi]

Radioactive umbrella tip

 

[bryanl]

A transporter, either the Star Trek or the Jason Statham kind.

 

[DrPizza]

Radioactive umbrella tip

I think you're confusing a couple of assassinations. Litvenenko was killed/assassinated with a radioactive isotope of Polonium. The umbrella tip assassination was a tiny pellet (pin head sized) cross drilled & filled with ricin - sealed inside with a substance that would melt at body temperature. It was shot into a Bulgarian dissident who moved to the West. That's probably not the perfect murder weapon either; there was a suspect in the case.

The perfect murder weapon, I think, would be one that's slow acting and not immediately detectable, i.e., no immediate symptoms. Thus, it adds to the difficulty of tracing the cause of death. E.g., what if Stephen Jobs was assassinated by causing him to ingest a chemical that would almost certainly cause pancreatic cancer. Unlike most people, he lived a long time with that cancer, so the death might not have been as quickly as hoped. But, what trace of the carcinogenic substance might remain at the point the cancer was detected? Would that substance even been looked for at the initial diagnosis, or during an autopsy? He could have been murdered, but it looked like natural causes. (I do not believe this to be the case - don't label me a conspiracy nut. But, it would make for an interesting story to spread in the conspiracy nut forums.)

 

[HumblePie]

I think you're confusing a couple of assassinations. Litvenenko was killed/assassinated with a radioactive isotope of Polonium. The umbrella tip assassination was a tiny pellet (pin head sized) cross drilled & filled with ricin - sealed inside with a substance that would melt at body temperature. It was shot into a Bulgarian dissident who moved to the West. That's probably not the perfect murder weapon either; there was a suspect in the case.

The perfect murder weapon, I think, would be one that's slow acting and not immediately detectable, i.e., no immediate symptoms. Thus, it adds to the difficulty of tracing the cause of death. E.g., what if Stephen Jobs was assassinated by causing him to ingest a chemical that would almost certainly cause pancreatic cancer. Unlike most people, he lived a long time with that cancer, so the death might not have been as quickly as hoped. But, what trace of the carcinogenic substance might remain at the point the cancer was detected? Would that substance even been looked for at the initial diagnosis, or during an autopsy? He could have been murdered, but it looked like natural causes. (I do not believe this to be the case - don't label me a conspiracy nut. But, it would make for an interesting story to spread in the conspiracy nut forums.)

Steve Jobs was an idiot. He got a cancer that had a 99.9999% survival rate with early detection and surgery. He got it detected early and didn't go for surgery. He thought those "holistic" approaches to medicine would work instead. By the time he got surgery it was way too late. That wasn't murder but Darwinism at work.

 

[TraumaRN]

There are numerous medications and electrolytes injected with a tiny needle in an inconspicuous place that rapidly metabolize but also cause death and unless you are looking for them in a tox screen or GC mass spec, you'd never know.

Off the top of my head, potassium, sodium, rapid acting insulin, succinylcholine, vecuronium, rocuronium, etomidate, and a few others.

 

[keird]

Don't high levels of CO stay in the system?

Yes. Carboxyhemoglobin is detectable in a simple test available in most major medical centers. Carbon monoxide has a 300 times greater affinity to hemoglobin than oxygen, thus in high concentrations it will kill. In a human, they'll present with bright red skin. So any EMT or investigator would be clued in by their color. I might go with helium, but the low oxygen content in the blood would still indicate that the victim suffocated. You could try high concentrations of oxygen but that would take weeks to kill someone. A condition called absorption atelectasis can occur which could eventually lead to death. If you didn't have time to wait, you could gather about 300 people together for an old fashioned cavalry charge. Nothing instills fear in someone quite like 300 armored horsemen with furry hats and swords.

Also, blood ice sabot electromagnetic rail gun.

 

[billbobaggins87]

Steve Jobs was an idiot. He got a cancer that had a 99.9999% survival rate with early detection and surgery. He got it detected early and didn't go for surgery. He thought those "holistic" approaches to medicine would work instead. By the time he got surgery it was way too late. That wasn't murder but Darwinism at work.

didnt he have kids?... if so explain how that works.

 

[ussfletcher]

Pollonium 210, when you want the world to know that a nation state did it.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Steve Jobs was an idiot. He got a cancer that had a 99.9999% survival rate with early detection and surgery. He got it detected early and didn't go for surgery. He thought those "holistic" approaches to medicine would work instead. By the time he got surgery it was way too late. That wasn't murder but Darwinism at work.

pancreatic cancer has that survival rate?

 

[mikeymikec]

didnt he have kids?... if so explain how that works.

Darwinism got slack but came back to finish the job later?

Darwinism liked Steve Jobs, so it thought it would give him more of a chance to reconsider his decision?

Darwinism hated Steve Jobs, so it used him as an example to all who might consider his decision to be a wise one?

Darwinism doesn't want to make it possible for anyone to mathematically calculate its existence so it has to throw a spanner in the works from time to time by not doing what people expect it to?

Darwinism is facing being superseded by Darwinism 2.0 and then by 3.0 a few years after that and its job performance is inhibited by its feelings of bitterness and resentment towards humanity?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

pancreatic cancer has that survival rate?

It's a decent over-exaggeration, but when Steve Jobs found he had pancreatic cancer it was reasonably curable. When he actually tried to get it cured using something that would have worked first time round, it no longer had a reasonable chance of cure.