Performance imporvement of Ivy Bridge vs Sandy Bridge (speculation)

[KZ0]

Do you guys think we can see a performance improvement like the one of Sandy Bridge compared to Bloomfield / Lynnfield?

I've currently got an C2D E8500, HD 4870 and 4 GB DDR2, and I'm thinking of an upgrade for better gaming performance. Sandy bridge looks awesome from what the benchmarks show, and I'm wondering whether I should upgrade now or wait for Ivy Bridge. In addition, I have no need for a hex / octo-core, a quad will be just fine. I've so far gotten the impression that the next launch will feature mostly high end parts with 6/8 cores ...?

Some advice would be much appreciated.

Yeah, and first post. Hi

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Upgrade when your games don't run as well as you'd like them.

 

[Castiel]

2011 is going to be overkill for many

 

[Anomaly1964]

As a newb sometimes I have to ask, how fast is fast enough?

I can understand upgrading so that you can play your favorite game with every option maxed out but it does seem that some are just going for the best benchmark score...?

 

[Castiel]

As a newb sometimes I have to ask, how fast is fast enough?

I can understand upgrading so that you can play your favorite game with every option maxed out but it does seem that some are just going for the best benchmark score...?

Owning the newest and greatest is all about wasting money

 

[exar333]

Owning the newest and greatest is all about wasting money

Or having fun?

 

[Mono44]

Or having fun?

Or both!

 

[maniac5999]

I'd personally expact that Sandy -> Ivy is going to be about the equivalent of Conroe -> Peryn. That was the only time we had a distinct, full product stack 'tick from Intel.

The Nethalem architecture never did a distinct "Tick-Tock" The high end (LGA 1366) and mid range (i5 750 and up 1156) 'Tock'd on time by switching architecture on the 45nm process, but the low end went "tick-tock" at the same time, switching process and architecture, and the mid and high end never 'tick'd over to 32nm, unless you count two obscenely expensive hex cores.

If I remember correctly, while there were minor improvements in IPC from the Conroe -> Peryn switch (which largey came from increased cache sizes) the big change came from increased clock speeds. (and higher overclocking) Just compare the e6600 to the e8400 to see what I mean.

 

[Castiel]

I foresee Ivy Bridge = Sandy Bridge just as Westmere = Nehalem

Westmere was 32nm and had 12mb L3 compared to Nehalem's 8mb L3 and it made none a difference.

 

[exar333]

I'd personally expact that Sandy -> Ivy is going to be about the equivalent of Conroe -> Peryn. That was the only time we had a distinct, full product stack 'tick from Intel.

The Nethalem architecture never did a distinct "Tick-Tock" The high end (LGA 1366) and mid range (i5 750 and up 1156) 'Tock'd on time by switching architecture on the 45nm process, but the low end went "tick-tock" at the same time, switching process and architecture, and the mid and high end never 'tick'd over to 32nm, unless you count two obscenely expensive hex cores.

If I remember correctly, while there were minor improvements in IPC from the Conroe -> Peryn switch (which largey came from increased cache sizes) the big change came from increased clock speeds. (and higher overclocking) Just compare the e6600 to the e8400 to see what I mean.

So what you are saying is likely true for the enthusiast in going from SB -> Ivy bridge, but IB will be a HUGE deal for casual users. With the on-package GPU RAM, the built-in GPU will have the capacity to meet or exceed low to mid GPU speeds. This means very good graphics for the masses. 22nm will also bring better power management, more cores, and higher maximum clock speeds. Bring on the IB.

 

[mclaren777]

I'll be curious to see how Quick Sync is implemented on Ivy Bridge.

 

[exar333]

I'll be curious to see how Quick Sync is implemented on Ivy Bridge.

Intel has said they may support Quick Sync on Desktop machines with discrete GPUs in the future. Essentially the mobile arena already does this in cases where the CPU/GPU (i5/i7) + Discrete (NV/AMD) still uses Quick Sync. Intel may allow this sort of operation on the Desktop end. Not sure when, or what chipsets, but it would be cool.

 

[extra]

I bet it'll bring dx11 integrated video, and another 2x improvement in the integrated GPU.

 

[nyker96]

Do you guys think we can see a performance improvement like the one of Sandy Bridge compared to Bloomfield / Lynnfield?

I've currently got an C2D E8500, HD 4870 and 4 GB DDR2, and I'm thinking of an upgrade for better gaming performance. Sandy bridge looks awesome from what the benchmarks show, and I'm wondering whether I should upgrade now or wait for Ivy Bridge. In addition, I have no need for a hex / octo-core, a quad will be just fine. I've so far gotten the impression that the next launch will feature mostly high end parts with 6/8 cores ...?

Some advice would be much appreciated.

Yeah, and first post. Hi

I think Ivy will be mostly a shrink to 22nm, plus some improvement over sandy, so let's say you get 10-15% IPC improvement, plus now you can OC to 5,2-5,5ghz instead of the current 4,5ghz for daily usage, you'd end up with I would say a 25-30% boost for overclockers going Ivy instead of sandy. just a guess but reasonable guess though.

 

[KZ0]

Impressive amount of good anwers here compared to other hardware boards. Much appreciated.

I think I'll try to wait for IB, perhaps even for the next shrink in GPU size. The new sandforce drives look really promising as well.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Intel has said they may support Quick Sync on Desktop machines with discrete GPUs in the future. Essentially the mobile arena already does this in cases where the CPU/GPU (i5/i7) + Discrete (NV/AMD) still uses Quick Sync. Intel may allow this sort of operation on the Desktop end. Not sure when, or what chipsets, but it would be cool.

According to Who . QS is already for discrete. AMD/NV have to do there part according to who intel already has it ondie. I guess Z will stop the finger pointing

 

[Nemesis 1]

I think Ivy will be mostly a shrink to 22nm, plus some improvement over sandy, so let's say you get 10-15% IPC improvement, plus now you can OC to 5,2-5,5ghz instead of the current 4,5ghz for daily usage, you'd end up with I would say a 25-30% boost for overclockers going Ivy instead of sandy. just a guess but reasonable guess though.

Why not 4.8ghz for daily use. Luck of draw LOL. Is IB going to have ondie memory per topic we had here . According to AT the IGP will only get 4 extra EU . Something I find really hard to believe . Guys need to play around with the H seies chipset . Overclocking the IGP and assigning low level Cache(Slices) AT got 1.55 ghz which showed OK results But once others play around I expect to see 50% improvements with O/C and proper low level catch assighnments along with DDR3 1600 cas6

 

[StinkyPinky]

IB will also have mainstream 6-core cpus.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Do you guys think we can see a performance improvement like the one of Sandy Bridge compared to Bloomfield / Lynnfield?

Nope. Maybe we'll get 1-2%(half of Conroe to Penryn). They can't boost L2 caches because that requires a redesign, and the CPU itself is a Tick. It'd make sense if they add instructions or do some specific optimizations like Penryn did. If they get the package RAM that might do another few %.

 

[tcsenter]

Grab an SSD if you don't currently have one.

 

[f4phantom2500]

I'd personally expact that Sandy -> Ivy is going to be about the equivalent of Conroe -> Peryn. That was the only time we had a distinct, full product stack 'tick from Intel.

The Nethalem architecture never did a distinct "Tick-Tock" The high end (LGA 1366) and mid range (i5 750 and up 1156) 'Tock'd on time by switching architecture on the 45nm process, but the low end went "tick-tock" at the same time, switching process and architecture, and the mid and high end never 'tick'd over to 32nm, unless you count two obscenely expensive hex cores.

If I remember correctly, while there were minor improvements in IPC from the Conroe -> Peryn switch (which largey came from increased cache sizes) the big change came from increased clock speeds. (and higher overclocking) Just compare the e6600 to the e8400 to see what I mean.

dude i think you're just splitting hairs.

 

[GrumpyMan]

I bet it'll bring dx11 integrated video, and another 2x improvement in the integrated GPU.

You are correct according to this article. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2160...ectx_11_in_ivy_bridge_chips.html?tk=rss_news?

Will this bring in a new socket too?

 

[Edrick]

SB and IB are going to be very similar. IB gets 22nm, DX11 graphics, and possibly some other minor enhancements. Nothing to get excited over. Sure speed will increase due to the smaller process node, but I think the real game changer will be Haswell. I have been looking forward to Haswell since it was announced in 2008.

 

[Chinoman]

I think Ivy Bridge will do more for the mobile sector than the high end desktop sector due to the power improvements that follow new fab scales.

 

[PreferLinux]

You are correct according to this article. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2160...ectx_11_in_ivy_bridge_chips.html?tk=rss_news?

Will this bring in a new socket too?

According to Wikipedia, it will use the same sockets.

No point complaining about new sockets for the likes of Sandy Bridge, as even if they used the same sockets it would still require a new motherboard.