Performance-PCS is calling me a bad customer because they sent me the wrong screws

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waffleironhead

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The OP is definitely in the right here. The store waited too long to fix the situation. They could have easily avoided this by keeping the lines of communication open.
9 days was way too long to leave him hanging, regardless of the situation on the retailers end. They failed to accept responsibility for their actions and blame shifted to the manufacturer.
 

Seero

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I would expect a refund, an alternative product, or the missing screws.
I would also deliver such to a customer as a customer support representative myself.
And in retrospect, the customer support representative got sarcastic first with a "we can send you all the parts in the world" or "if we take the screws from another box then it will have another open box and then the next customer will be in the same situation".

the appropriate response, the one I would give to a customer, would be "I am terribly sorry you waited 9 days, we have been trying and failing to contact the manufacturer and they aren't responding. At your discretion I would either process a refund for you right away or we can swap you for another product from another manufacturer, such as X, Y, Z; priority shipping. Also here is a coupon for a discount on your next purchase as an apology for the delay, have a nice day".
I agree with you. As a customer, you can demand refund, an alternative product, or the missing screws, but just not all together at once. Depending on what OP sent back, refund or alternative may not be possible. In fact, I believe OP only sent back those screws if anything was sent. He solely wants replacement/new screws, which is perfectly fine. He also expected screws are all over the place and all the company needs to do is to pick up some of the screws on the ground and send it to OP, which should not take more than a day. Unfortunately, those screws are very specific and may require ordering from manufacturer that actually make the product. Yes, the rep could have offer different options to OP, but OP clearly stated that he doesn't want excuses, just the screws NOW. In other words, no other options, unless OP had sent back everything.

OP has his/her rights, and s/he definitely amused with it. It is clear that OP got those screws within 2-4 weeks since the first email, or we should see more emails. In short, the transaction is completed. The company in question did not complain about it, but have no interest of further business with OP, which they do have the right to do so, just like OP has his/her rights.

So OP has bad experience with Performance PC, which is perfectly fine. Performance PC have bad experience with OP, which is OMFG big problem?
 

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Lifer
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I got a reply from them . I agree with their stance here.

We don't post on the forums and any decent site the Mods would delete posts of this nature. As you say it is one side of the story and we just dont have time to engage in the forum arguments.

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Customer Service, Performance-PCs.com
 

taltamir

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I got a reply from them . I agree with their stance here.

We don't post on the forums and any decent site the Mods would delete posts of this nature. As you say it is one side of the story and we just dont have time to engage in the forum arguments.

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Customer Service, Performance-PCs.com

unless he omitted emails or calls, then it isn't one side but the complete exact story. He posted enough that many people got on HIS case for being rude, which they could see by reading the emails he wrote. I don't need to hear his OR their excuses if I have written records of every exact word exchanged.

That being said, he COULD have omitted the worst parts, and perhaps they cannot go ahead and post those due to legal reasons. But I am pretty sure I have seen companies post such things before and I do not think this is the case.
 

Via

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I got a reply from them . I agree with their stance here.

We don't post on the forums and any decent site the Mods would delete posts of this nature. As you say it is one side of the story and we just dont have time to engage in the forum arguments.

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Customer Service, Performance-PCs.com

How can you agree with their stance when they didn't offer anything to back it up?

"Any decent site"? Even their short reply sounds catty.

Definitely a company I'm going to stay away from.
 

Schmide

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Emailed a link to this thread to EK-waterblocks. See if they weigh in.
 

railven

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I got a reply from them . I agree with their stance here.

We don't post on the forums and any decent site the Mods would delete posts of this nature. As you say it is one side of the story and we just dont have time to engage in the forum arguments.

Thank you.

Best Regards,
Customer Service, Performance-PCs.com

I disagree with that statement. Any decent self respecting site will let its members voice their opinions, even on a advertiser. There was nothing obscene posted in this thread.

If any mod/forum deleted a thread such as this their credibility is shot (just as any vendor who openly says any negative information/opinions should be censored.)
 

darkewaffle

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I ordered some stuff from them last year and actually had a really good experience with them, one of the cables I ordered they shipped incorrectly, I got the wrong one and sent them an email about it. They shipped me the correct cable the next day and let me keep the other one, seemed like a good operation to me.


Edit: And OP would get a lot further if he wasn't [rude and sarcastic] when he sent them an email.

Edit: [Very rude and sarcastic]

It's practically your own fault, don't sound like a complete prick and people will want to deal with you.


Hi,

I edited your post (words in square brackets). We don't need that kind of talk in the tech forums; you can still get your point across without resorting to very insulting, personal-attack-like statements.

Moderator jvroig
 
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mnewsham

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Have you guys ever tried dell customer support? They wont do anything until you ask to speak to a manager. In this situation I would have waited 10-14 business days before sending an email asking for an update and ETA on the hardware, I would have been polite and open minded. If you get a dell desktop with a bad stick of RAM, when you ask for a replacement stick of RAM if they tell you they need to contact their supplier as they are out of stock would you expect them to open up another customers desktop they had paid for (delaying their order) to get your stick of RAM? I agree PCS could have been a little more forthcoming with the details but honestly I am used to companies not providing an update unless asked to.
 
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God Mode

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Bleh. Although some may think the OP was rude, I'm all too familiar with the type of response he got from ppc. Another site in my 'dont do business with' list. This leaves petra, svc or sidewinder which don't carry a lot of things or are always out of stock.
 

taltamir

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when you ask for a replacement stick of RAM if they tell you they need to contact their supplier as they are out of stock would you expect them to open up another customers desktop they had paid for (delaying their order) to get your stick of RAM?
This has absolutely nothing at all do with the situation at hand and is a terrible analogy.
 

SolMiester

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E-mail is not guaranteed delivery of mail, if the OP hadnt rec'd a reply after 9 days, his next e-mail should of been an enquiry if they rec;d the e-mail, if yes, an update would be appreciated..Not blast them about charge back etc......simple manners really.
 

Vic Vega

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OP is right. Everyone else can pound sand.

OP didn't pay the supplier, he paid the retailer. Excuses about the supplier are irrelivent. If the retailer could not follow through with the order due to issues with their supplier they should have never done the deal and taken his money to begin with. The fact that they admit to having consistent and ongoing issues with this suppler is extremely appalling, having known this and STILL offered said products for sale and STILL taken his money is downright dishonest. They all but admit they knew issues would arise. Their ethics are in question here, absolutely.

The OP asked nicely for the screws... they gave him the runaround and he got tough with them - then they actually did what he asked.

Good on the OP. They don't want your business, fine. They certainly haven't earned it.
 

3DVagabond

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I think they should have contacted him sooner for sure but they still worked to resolve the issue and he got his screws. To say they detest customers and are out to screw them over whenever they can seems like a crazy conclusion to reach judging by those emails. The only reason they closed his account was because he was so rude and they took it personally, not because they are trying to screw him over and detest customers.

It's because they didn't take care of him and then didn't like him standing up for himself.

I'm in customer service too. I am not perfect. Nobody is. I, or anyone else here in a similar job, could have quite easily let a customer down like this person. If I did though and the customer was irate, I would apologize and get his problem sorted immediately. If I could possibly toss him a little Easter egg I would do that as well. At least refund the shipping from the original order, or get him a gift card.

Since the box was open and missing/wrong parts, it's very hard to make it the suppliers fault. It's obvious what happened. Often a supplier will help you out, as a retailer, when something like this happens. It's not their fault though.
 

Athadeus

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Have you guys ever tried dell customer support? They wont do anything until you ask to speak to a manager. In this situation I would have waited 10-14 business days before sending an email asking for an update and ETA on the hardware, I would have been polite and open minded. If you get a dell desktop with a bad stick of RAM, when you ask for a replacement stick of RAM if they tell you they need to contact their supplier as they are out of stock would you expect them to open up another customers desktop they had paid for (delaying their order) to get your stick of RAM? I agree PCS could have been a little more forthcoming with the details but honestly I am used to companies not providing an update unless asked to.

I have had quite good service from Dell on each of approximately 5 occasions in the last 3 years. I contacted them for support of business desktops, laptops, workstations, and servers. In the incident where I felt we received the best service, I called Dell to have a laptop motherboard replaced around 2pm one business day. They offered to replace it on-site, which I accepted, and someone came the next morning (35 miles from their location), and spent about 12 minutes in the building and it was done .
 

dakU7

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Lmao, customer gets screwed (haha), doesn't get a reply for over a week, posts here and get's flamed for it.
Doesn't matter what and how he spoke with them, fact is, they made a mistake and ignored it for over a week.
 

mnewsham

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Doesn't matter what and how he spoke with them, fact is, they made a mistake and ignored it for over a week.

I'm sorry it is a professional conversation if you go into work and email your boss that way you would likely be fired (depending on the boss but most would air on the side of fired) Before sending any professional correspondence I always think to myself "if whoever is reading this was my boss would they want to fire me after reading it?" It keeps me out of mischief........most of the time.
 

SickBeast

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you know what? stores have every right to ban a customer. it's private property.

you, as the customer, have every right to complain about it and make a big stink in online forums.

them, as the retailer, no longer have to deal with you. it's a tradeoff.

op, what did you do exactly to piss them off so much? asked for a screw? or were you rude to them?

i personally just don't understand. it sounds like a lot of people getting screwed, and perhaps even some people with a screw loose. you snooze, you lose, and sometimes you get screwed. if you want it to hold stronger, it can also be glued.

/rant

like i said before, the retailer probably does not have the screw and in all likelihood it's the manufacturer's fault.

i think i would try contacting the manufacturer and see what's doing.
 

dakU7

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I'm sorry it is a professional conversation if you go into work and email your boss that way you would likely be fired (depending on the boss but most would air on the side of fired) Before sending any professional correspondence I always think to myself "if whoever is reading this was my boss would they want to fire me after reading it?" It keeps me out of mischief........most of the time.

I'm sorry but once a business sends me a product with miss-matching accessories and ignores me for over a week, it is no longer professional in my book.
You don't treat Newegg or Office-depot the way you treats your boss, your boss gives you paychecks in the end of the month, not the other way around.
 

dajeepster

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op, what did you do exactly to piss them off so much? asked for a screw? or were you rude to them?

Everything that transpired between me and PPCS is in my first three post. Nothing else beyond that.

i didn't have the heart to ask them about a set of screws from the other block I ordered from them. I was lucky in that i had some hex screws that fit the bill in my loose screws bin.
 

Vesku

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well.. I heard nothing from them and recieved nothing for 9days... had to do something.

Definitely the chargeback talk that riled their feathers. If you had instead inquired into a refund I think you would still have an account with them, assuming you actually wanted to buy from them in the future.

They explained they didn't know which screws were the correct ones for your block until EK gave them that information or they opened up another box of your model block. They chose to wait on EK since they were obviously tired of emails about "my EK box looks opened".
 

Jodiuh

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Lol @ u. It reads like a sarcastic reply I'd give someone on a forum if I felt like being a butthead.

Fwiw, try svc, directron, or jabtech in the future. Sidewinders ok too. Crazypc was the best ...rip. :-(
 

Nemesis 1

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I again repeat . I had a late shipment on a case . My wife inquired several times in a timely fashion to the last reply that info they gave to her about the 3rd party shipment . That party failed on their delivery time table. She would E-mail after the time they gave lapsed, Short inquiries asking for statis. As it was shipping to me from a 3rd party . She felt the need for updates . They replied in a timely direct business fashion.

This a small business being fed to the wolves with an axe to grind . Or it wouldn't been posted in a public forum . I have had nothing but professonal service from them and prompt no nonsense replies for statis of shipment.
So that leads me to believe somewhere in all this is info were not getting . The e-mails really aren't enough or not all here . Get smart with me in business I show ya the door real fast. I don't need that kind of customer nor do I want to sell to them . We all screw up . Like New Egg did on my BR-Rom. If I buy single piecies of hardware I still buy from the Egg. But I don't usually buy 1 of anything . Normally 20 .
This kind of topic hurts this business. As they sell to our types.

This isn't the same as Intel /AMD/NV/ Apple /IBM bashing were there are lots of axes to grind. This topic of refusal of service about open box missing screws is screwing only the business . OH sweet revenge! This occurred in . Feb, The OP didn't post till after refusal of service .
 
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Michael Meio

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If I was a retailer which method of distribution, handling or storing items has created a chain of events that unavoidably (apparently) has led to multiple claims, first thing I'd do is stop that chain.

Given that I, as distributor, knew about the chain of claims derived from opening multiple packages in order to complete, replace or substitute previous items of similar references, I must have been proactively prepared and professionally handled the next event by first accepting that such issues are known and that I'm offering a replacement of the whole package for another "open box", same model or ref., explaining the customer that as a result of multiple issues, I have to open a package and make sure everything goes by the book (even if that's not 100% accurate, I MUST stop the chain anyway I can WITHIN my warehouse or distribution point, not at the customer's doorstep). It is unprofessional and unacceptable to reveal such issues that are entirely the vendor's or manufacturer's distribution, package handling or storage issues using them as excuse for not providing what's established in the contract.

The second thing I obviously must be prepared to is for any type of client reacting to such issues. If a company is going to pick it's customers based on inconsistent criteria such as morality or behavior, better go run another kind of business.

It is true that any company can deny a service w/o explaining motivation. But in this case, IMHO there is a contract and the vendor must fulfill it even if the item was sold to Tarzan's Mother-In-Law, she has a tooth ache and is at his office's door ready to engage.

On the customer's part, it's not wise to name other companies, distributors or vendors which behaved differently in "comparable" scenarios. These things don't have anything to do with the particular and should never be mentioned or named for obvious reasons. It's the client's prerogative to handle the communications to the extent of his/her knowledge, social background and woke up mood. A vendor or company cannot assume that the customer must fall on some category, behave in a specific way or enroll in meditation prior to claiming issues. Welcome to the Universe of Customer Care.

If for any reason I, as an e-tailer or distributor, am having issues with a provider, believe me, the client is not the first on the list to be fired. NO WAY!. I'd seek a way to solve it with the distributor or get another one. Priority IS customer's satisfaction. Failing to recognize and be consequent to this, is culprit for many businesses' stagnation.

You can't tell a client to be patient when there's an ongoing unsolved issue.
You can't fire your client for your mistakes. (although technically you can) but this thread is one of the foreseeable consequences.
You can't fire a client just because on your personal or your company's rules of conduct, he/she is cataloged as "bad customer" while there IS an ongoing issue. You solve first and then consider firing.

This is just an opinion based on reading some of the posts, not all of them. Still, this post refers to ways of satisfactorily solving issues, not to indistinctly creating unnecessary situations between customers and vendors.

Uh, one more little thing: The customer IS the BOSS!. If for some colossal misplacement of cosmic equilibrium, there is a hint of doubt about this, put it in terms of who's paying.. then, you'll unavoidably be pointing at THE BOSS.
 

waffleironhead

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The problem you are failing to see is that it is not on the customer to seek status notices. The Retailer should have been a better communicator. Its all fine and dandy that you never had a problem with them, but the OP did. Leaving him hanging for over a week with no status updates is poor customer service. They could have easily avoided this situation by communicating with him. If the parts were out of stock, or they were waiting on the manufacturer, then they should have notified him.

Thanks OP for letting me know about this company. I'll definitely avoid them in the future.
 
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