Don't blame AMD. If say BMW would bribe all tire manufacturers so that all tires suck expect on BMW do you blame the tire manufacturer, BMW or the other car companies?
This is just another reason to never buy NV.
How to solve this:
Stop buying tires from bribed manufactures and stop buying BMWs. I think you get what I mean.
I'm dangerously close to quitting PC gaming...
My tip- relax, don't spend so much time worrying about these things, and wait a couple of months to buy a game so a) it gets cheaper and b) drivers get updated/game bugs get patched. It's not like there's any shortage of great games to play
My tip- relax, don't spend so much time worrying about these things, and wait a couple of months to buy a game so a) it gets cheaper and b) drivers get updated/game bugs get patched. It's not like there's any shortage of great games to play
You should update yourself with the benchmarks for Far Cry 4, ACU, Watch Dogs, Dying Light, and Witcher 3 before you make such false statements. AMD is very competitive and even faster in some of those titles at most market segments. For most of these titles, the uplift in AMD performance came from official game patches a few months post release.
So no, it's got nothing to do with open world games, it's GimpWorks.
Was it a conspiracy that Intel back in the days threw their $$ around to gimp AMD? Because the international court of law didn't think it was a conspiracy.
GameWorks is a PR war and NV has more $$ to throw at it than AMD.
Actually, even the devs are blaming Nvidia now:
AMD's Richard Huddy
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...s-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/
Witcher 3 Dev says Nvidia HairWorks unoptimizable for AMD GPUs
Here is a statement made by CD Project's Marcin Momot, claiming that Nvidia's HairWorks code cannot be optimized to perform well on AMD GPUs;
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...nvidia_hairworks_unoptimizable_for_amd_gpus/1
The problem, as always, appears to be Nvidia's steadfast refusal to open up GameWorks so that AMD and developers can more easily optimize TWIMTBP titles for Radeon hardware.
Oh like this test done few weeks ago on most recent drivers which shows GTX 960 gaining huge lead over 380 in CPU dependant places?
Even in neutral game like GTA V ?
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzn...0_vs_fx_6300_oraz_gtx_960_vs_r9_380?page=0,15
AMD GPUs are only bit faster when they are paired with highly overclocked i5/i7 cpu from test rigs. Put them in actual lower end rig with i3 or FX6300 and that advantage disappears.
My tip- relax, don't spend so much time worrying about these things, and wait a couple of months to buy a game so a) it gets cheaper and b) drivers get updated/game bugs get patched. It's not like there's any shortage of great games to play
Bingo, well said. There is way, way too much drama and venom in this forum. Seems like every thread devolves into bashing Gameworks. It may be the most evil software library ever created /sarcasm/ but turn it off, turn down some settings, wait for some patches, etc. These are just games after all, nobody's life is depending on get 60 FPS minimum instead of 45. I have a low end AMD card, and although performance isnt great, I have enjoyed very much Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I dont really worry if the games would perform better on an nVidia card or if Gameworks is gimping my performance, I just adjust the settings to what I can play and enjoy the games.
Edit: and actually, the worst performance period I had in W3 was for a few days, because AMD's own software kindly "optimized" the game on a HD7770 by turning the settings to medium with Hairworks on, after I had manually set it to low and hairworks off.
You say this as if everyone uses lower end GPUs and CPUs. Before you respond to this, save me some time and look at the Steam survey yourself.
The battle between the GTX 970 and the R9 390 is fascinating. With frame-rates unlocked and settings maxed at 1080p, the Nvidia card provides a 47.5fps average, matched up against 48.8fps on AMD - but it doesn't tell the full story. Some sections of gameplay see the GTX 970 pull ahead by up to 5fps, while interior scenes, cut-scenes and close-ups see the R9 390 dominant.
Bingo, well said. There is way, way too much drama and venom in this forum. Seems like every thread devolves into bashing Gameworks. It may be the most evil software library ever created /sarcasm/ but turn it off, turn down some settings, wait for some patches, etc. These are just games after all, nobody's life is depending on get 60 FPS minimum instead of 45. I have a low end AMD card, and although performance isnt great, I have enjoyed very much Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I dont really worry if the games would perform better on an nVidia card or if Gameworks is gimping my performance, I just adjust the settings to what I can play and enjoy the games.
Edit: and actually, the worst performance period I had in W3 was for a few days, because AMD's own software kindly "optimized" the game on a HD7770 by turning the settings to medium with Hairworks on, after I had manually set it to low and hairworks off.
Yep, nothing wrong with needing an overclocked 5960X and at leat two highly overclocked 980 Ti's to get 1080p60 at max settings with FXAA. Nothing at all.
Bingo, well said. There is way, way too much drama and venom in this forum. Seems like every thread devolves into bashing Gameworks. It may be the most evil software library ever created /sarcasm/ but turn it off, turn down some settings, wait for some patches, etc. These are just games after all, nobody's life is depending on get 60 FPS minimum instead of 45. I have a low end AMD card, and although performance isnt great, I have enjoyed very much Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I dont really worry if the games would perform better on an nVidia card or if Gameworks is gimping my performance, I just adjust the settings to what I can play and enjoy the games.
Edit: and actually, the worst performance period I had in W3 was for a few days, because AMD's own software kindly "optimized" the game on a HD7770 by turning the settings to medium with Hairworks on, after I had manually set it to low and hairworks off.
Bingo, well said. There is way, way too much drama and venom in this forum. Seems like every thread devolves into bashing Gameworks. It may be the most evil software library ever created /sarcasm/ but turn it off, turn down some settings, wait for some patches, etc. These are just games after all, nobody's life is depending on get 60 FPS minimum instead of 45. I have a low end AMD card, and although performance isnt great, I have enjoyed very much Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I dont really worry if the games would perform better on an nVidia card or if Gameworks is gimping my performance, I just adjust the settings to what I can play and enjoy the games.
Edit: and actually, the worst performance period I had in W3 was for a few days, because AMD's own software kindly "optimized" the game on a HD7770 by turning the settings to medium with Hairworks on, after I had manually set it to low and hairworks off.
The point here is Nvidia is intentionally using Gameworks games as a tool to harm the competition's performance. The first game reviews are rarely updated after future game patches and driver updates. Even when a site does it the intial damage has been done and the perception that AMD sucks has been reinforced. Most people look up benchmarks when a game releases and they think ." AMD drivers suck. AMD cards suck." The truth is far from that. Anyway I think AMD needs to work their way to health slowly with a competitive Polaris architecture and then invest a lot more in Gaming Evolved and evangelizing the benefits of GPUOpen to the developer community. What Nvidia is doing with Gimpworks is actually moving more PC gamers to console gaming.
A lot of posters here are very emotional, instead of logical like you. Its like when you're girlfriend or wife comes home and complains about work; instead of offering a solution to her problems, she'd rather hear you sympathize with her misery.
You forgot to mention 970 SLI delivers the same. Its a 60FPS capped game. It runs 30fps on console.
Always some ones else fault. I think we got that after so many years of repeat. :thumbsdown:
PC gaming is growing in case you missed it.
You forgot to mention 970 SLI delivers the same. Its a 60FPS capped game. It runs 30fps on console.
60fps capped? Jesus Christ screw this game. I almost considered buying it.
Richard Huddy, now there is an objective source.
You think this is limited to just low end ?
Jump to 970/390 and non-oc i5 vs FX8.... and result will be the same
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzn...0_vs_fx_8300_oraz_gtx_970_vs_r9_390?page=0,15
If you go with fastest possible CPU you might get away with using AMD gpu because cpu bottleneck will be located above 60 fps needed for typical monitor but it's still there.
It's also perfectly visible in DF analysis of 970 vs 390
Interiors and cutscenes where cpu doesn't matter that much - 390 pulls ahead
Outside where cpu has lot more to do - 970 gets ahead.
I love how here you're saying that PC gaming is growing, yet you're always the first to say that desktops and dGPUs are on the way out. Whatever is convenient for your agenda I suppose.