Performance Review : Rise of the Tomb Raider

[Rvenger]

EVERY TIME. Not once is it ever AMD's fault. EVERY TIME it's Nvidia's fault or the dev's fault. EVERY TIME.

Every AMD hardcore fan is chicken little in training.

You and Silverforce11 just lost your posting privileges in this thread. Get out now.

-Rvenger

 

[AtenRa]

EVERY TIME. Not once is it ever AMD's fault. EVERY TIME it's Nvidia's fault or the dev's fault. EVERY TIME.

Every AMD hardcore fan is chicken little in training.

Not EVERY TIME, only on GameWorks titles. HUGE difference

Also, only on GameWorks Titles Kepler sucks. I guess its AMDs fault also

 

[Jaydip]

Actually, even the devs are blaming Nvidia now:

AMD's Richard Huddy
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/...s-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/


Witcher 3 Dev says Nvidia HairWorks unoptimizable for AMD GPUs

Here is a statement made by CD Project's Marcin Momot, claiming that Nvidia's HairWorks code cannot be optimized to perform well on AMD GPUs;


http://www.overclock3d.net/articles...nvidia_hairworks_unoptimizable_for_amd_gpus/1


The problem, as always, appears to be Nvidia's steadfast refusal to open up GameWorks so that AMD and developers can more easily optimize TWIMTBP titles for Radeon hardware.

Richard Huddy? sorry I don't listen to pr neither from NV nor AMD.

 

[nurturedhate]

If I hear one more person bashing Gameworks this thread will be acted upon. Its not the appropriate topic.


-Rvenger

This is a legitimate set of questions.

1. Would you prefer if a new thread was started in regards to what appears to be the majority's issue with this game, Gameworks, so we would have both this benchmark thread and a separate thread about this game and how Gameworks has potentially affected its performance?

2. Are we allowed to discuss Gameworks in anything other than a positive light?

 

[Techhog]

If I hear one more person bashing Gameworks this thread will be acted upon. Its not the appropriate topic.


-Rvenger

You might as well lock the thread, then. This thread is about the game's performance. It's bad. We're discussing why it's bad. Now we're not allowed to discuss that, so there's no longer a topic.

And this isn't a call out. This is me making a legimate point. What is there to discuss now?

 

[NTMBK]

And what if i want to enjoy this game now? Serious question.

I have to worry because we don't know if our very capable GPU's will perform acceptably, and by capable GPU's i mean GTX 780, GTX 780TI, GTX 970, GTX 980, 390, 390X, Fury/X, Nano, etc

Then turn down the graphics settings. It's not the end of the world

 

[Erenhardt]

Finally, a game that shows the architectural advancements of maxwell over all other gpu.
Unmatched performance from this super efficient architecture showing its superiority with the latest implementation of cutting edge graphics effects.

It will take AMD a lot of time and money to bribe the game developer to break nvidia performance with new patches - the same they did with latest fallout patch.

But until then, all nv users can enjoy every well spent dollar on their maxwell GPU.

 

[PhonakV30]

Wow ! What's up ? Just wait for Next upcoming Crismon 16.2 then Heat up this Thread! Can't believe my thread reaches 102 posts.

AFAIK , This game Uses Heavy Tessellation for Open world.Inside Closed World, with Heavy Effects , AMD is Winner.

 

[Rezist]

Not sure I'm surprised. The game is basically a gold digger. MS had the money on offer for console, so xbox exclusive. Nvidia has the most money on PC, therefore optimized for nvidia.

who knows what went on though.

BTW this game also uses denuvo. Slim chance its causing a CPU bottleneck for AMD?

Well I think they did pretty poor with the Xbox exclusive I know there number were bad. They probably needed this cash injection until the PS4 launch which no one will probably care about now that it's old news.

 

[Azix]

Well I think they did pretty poor with the Xbox exclusive I know there number were bad. They probably needed this cash injection until the PS4 launch which no one will probably care about now that it's old news.

I remember they complained about the original game's sales. I think this time they want direct cash from ms and nvidia rather than hoping it does well.

 

[Techhog]

AMD driver should come soon:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/391220/discussions/0/451852225133974177/

Finally, a game that shows the architectural advancements of maxwell over all other gpu.
Unmatched performance from this super efficient architecture showing its superiority with the latest implementation of cutting edge graphics effects.

It will take AMD a lot of time and money to bribe the game developer to break nvidia performance with new patches - the same they did with latest fallout patch.

But until then, all nv users can enjoy every well spent dollar on their maxwell GPU.

Is this satire, or a reason to reevaluate my ignore list?

 

[moonbogg]

Both AMD and Nvidia have drivers for this game either out now or coming out. I am still a little sick at the apparent 60fps cap though. Performance does seem really stupid for this game. I mean really idiotic. This is Arkham Knight style bad.

 

[railven]

Why are people okay with that? What is it like 75-80% of dGPU buyers still give their money to nV so they won't change their methods. If the bolded is indeed what happens, and people actually care about getting some DX12 games asap, they should really vote with their wallets...performance is comparable between the two IHVs (unlike the CPU side) so it's unlikely you are really losing anything by going with one or the other IMO. The market really needs to be closer to 50/50...I certainly wouldn't be okay with it if DX12 games are delayed just to satisfy nV.

Simple - Nvidia delivers a better product for the now. Everyone can hoot and holler how great Hawaii is, now, or how amazing Tahiti, is now, but look at poor Fiji. Because what Fiji is going through now is exactly where Tahiti and Hawaii were at. People most definitely voted with their wallets. AMD made it rather easy for me to buy an Nvidia card when they tried to charge me the exact same price for something slower (at my resolution), and add to that used more power and had less memory.

And this pretty much opened the door to Nvidia securing a huge chunk of market share. With it huge bags of money. And thus the ability to buy their way to the top. Who's going to stop them?

I don't even know what AMD can do now. No dev/publisher in their right mind is going to say no to free money (or incentives). Unless this starts becoming illegal, expect it to continue.

EDIT:

Both AMD and Nvidia have drivers for this game either out now or coming out. I am still a little sick at the apparent 60fps cap though. Performance does seem really stupid for this game. I mean really idiotic. This is Arkham Knight style bad.

You must not have played Arkham Knight at launch. This is nothing like it.

EDIT #2:

Well I think they did pretty poor with the Xbox exclusive I know there number were bad. They probably needed this cash injection until the PS4 launch which no one will probably care about now that it's old news.

They definitely botched tying this exclusively to a console that was showing market growth issues. PS4 is like 2:1 global sales, with almost 4:1 global sales sans USA. It's ridiculous how behind the Xbone fell in sales versus the PS4 when you remove the USA.

Then they launched it against Fallout 4? I mean, who was giving them marketing tips - AMD? That was just stupid.

 

[Techhog]

Both AMD and Nvidia have drivers for this game either out now or coming out. I am still a little sick at the apparent 60fps cap though. Performance does seem really stupid for this game. I mean really idiotic. This is Arkham Knight style bad.

Again, I don't think it's capped. The only evidence of a cap is Nvidia's guide.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Then turn down the graphics settings. It's not the end of the world

Yep i agree to certain degree but thing is i moved my 7970 to my second rig and got a 980ti because i'm one those people who likes to have options and usually i turn up my settings.

Cheers

 

[Azix]

PureHair

PureHair is Crystal Dynamics and Square Enix's hair rendering technology, which like our own HairWorks technology adds tens of thousands of hair strands to a character model. These hairs act realistically, swaying and moving in concert with character movement, and can be affected by water, wind and snow, and are lit and shaded in real-time by the scene.

In Rise of the Tomb Raider, up to 30,000 strands of hair are applied solely to Lara, with large groups of hairs controlled by master strands that dictate their movement and properties, preventing each individual hair strand from acting independently, and keeping physics calculation costs in check.

really.. it would be funny if the renaming of this is due to nvidia's involvement. They of course can't give AMD credit for it.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-graphics-and-performance-guide

compared to hairworks on geralt alone

Their attitude is just not good. I'd guess that if they did drop a dx12 patch for the game it would not use async or anything else that would benefit AMD. instead we'll get dx12.1 stuff. Rather than please your gamers you are pleasing another company so they give you more money.

 

[PhonakV30]

AMD driver should come soon:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/391220/discussions/0/451852225133974177

So Next Crismon's version is 16.1.1

For AMD, please install AMD driver 16.1.1 which should be released shortly. This can be found here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

This is best scene for PureHair that I have ever seen damn gorgeous Hair!

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[Subyman]

It really isn't that hard to understand. There is a difference between "bashing" and legitimately discussing the pros and cons of a product. Bashing includes inflammatory remarks that provide nothing constructive to the conversation such as respelling Gameworks as "Gimpworks", calling out "fanboys", wording your post in such a way that it looks like you are yelling, and using strong language.

You are free to discuss the positives and negatives of a technology, but tone down the language. I'm sure you guys are capable of understanding what a constructive conversation versus yelling past each other is.

Moderator Subyman

 

[railven]

Their attitude is just not good. I'd guess that if they did drop a dx12 patch for the game it would not use async or anything else that would benefit AMD. instead we'll get dx12.1 stuff. Rather than please your gamers you are pleasing another company so they give you more money.

Better to cater to the great portion if you ask me. They catered to the smaller company (MSFT) and it cost them heavily. Game didn't even break top 10 at launch. That's a huge slap in the face.

As a gamer who can benefit from DX12.1 stuff, I say bring it on

 

[AnandThenMan]

It is crystal clear that AMD can not continue to be the "good guy" while Nvidia uses GameWorks to intentionally destroy performance on Radeon hardware. And yes that is the purpose of GW we have a mountain of evidence at this point to support this assertion. Now Nvidia is free to do what they want with games they sponsor and is free to supply code to game devs that intentionally sabotages performance on AMD hardware and exploits any weakness (which all hardware has).

AMD need to do the same thing they have no choice at this point. Failing to do this will continue to erode AMD's reputation as it stands they are already known as the company with "poor drivers" and get blamed for performance problems running Nvidia sponsored games. This general attitude not only is prevalent with gamers but I also see it from reviewers (see [H] as an example) and it's costing AMD sales.

So the real question is what will be worse, AMD going out of business or AMD using the same tactics as Nvidia which have proven to be very very successful.

 

[railven]

So the real question is what will be worse, AMD going out of business or AMD using the same tactics as Nvidia which have proven to be very very successful.

I made the same argument in the last epic Gameworks thread, and as someone countered to me - how?

AMD is almost broke. Unless Zen or Polaris are run away successes, I doubt they can afford a mounted initiative to buy out devs. Hell even if they made an offer, there is no denying NV will offer more.

Look at the OpenGPU thing. They are basically hoping people take their stuff for free and use it. Forget them funding people to use (their own funded game got AS turned off by request of Nvidia. Come on now? You think NV would let a game they're partnered with disable tessellation by request of AMD? HA!)

 

[AnandThenMan]

I made the same argument in the last epic Gameworks thread, and as someone countered to me - how?

AMD could have already done this several times. The last Tomb Raider game, could have easily made it run like crap on Nvidia hardware. Mantle, could have kept it to themselves Nvidia would not have been able to answer for years. Yes it is more difficult for AMD given their marketshare position but you play the long game. The alternative is to continually flounder while Nvidia uses the tried and true although extremely unfriendly to the consumer tactics.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

It is crystal clear that AMD can not continue to be the "good guy" while Nvidia uses GameWorks to intentionally destroy performance on Radeon hardware. And yes that is the purpose of GW we have a mountain of evidence at this point to support this assertion.

I've not seen any actual evidence, just the same allegations repeated over and over again.

If the gameworks program prevents developers from working with amd to optimize they could and should sue nvidia for antitrust, but they haven't.

 

[Techhog]

Based on user impressions, my choices are on-par with XBox One graphics at almost 60FPS (some settings better, others worse) or worse textures and everything else better at 30FPS.


Is there a way to get a refund from GMG?

 

[AnandThenMan]

I've not seen any actual evidence, just the same allegations repeated over and over again.

Numerous examples have been posted and discussed over the years. Vids posted in this thread as well did you watch them?

If the gameworks program prevents developers from working with amd to optimize they could and should sue nvidia for antitrust, but they haven't.

Strawman.