It really isn't that hard to understand. There is a difference between "bashing" and legitimately discussing the pros and cons of a product. Bashing includes inflammatory remarks that provide nothing constructive to the conversation such as respelling Gameworks as "Gimpworks", calling out "fanboys", wording your post in such a way that it looks like you are yelling, and using strong language.
You are free to discuss the positives and negatives of a technology, but tone down the language. I'm sure you guys are capable of understanding what a constructive conversation versus yelling past each other is.
Moderator Subyman
I love how here you're saying that PC gaming is growing, yet you're always the first to say that desktops and dGPUs are on the way out. Whatever is convenient for your agenda I suppose.
I've not seen any actual evidence, just the same allegations repeated over and over again.
If the gameworks program prevents developers from working with amd to optimize they could and should sue nvidia for antitrust, but they haven't.
You forgot to mention 970 SLI delivers the same. Its a 60FPS capped game. It runs 30fps on console.
http://www.computerbase.de/2016-01/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-benchmarks/2/
Another pointless abuse of tessellation for mostly no visual gains. I bet its running x64 mode.
So for AMD users, forcing it to x16 will bring performance up a lot while looking the same.
Since NV couldn't get HairWorks in, it's just easier to ramp up Tessellation to the max for everything else. lol
It really isn't that hard to understand. There is a difference between "bashing" and legitimately discussing the pros and cons of a product. Bashing includes inflammatory remarks that provide nothing constructive to the conversation such as respelling Gameworks as "Gimpworks", calling out "fanboys", wording your post in such a way that it looks like you are yelling, and using strong language.
You are free to discuss the positives and negatives of a technology, but tone down the language. I'm sure you guys are capable of understanding what a constructive conversation versus yelling past each other is.
Moderator Subyman
Gameworks has affected AMD cards performance in so many games by now that its no more an accident or coincidence. Its intentional harming of the competition by Nvidia at the cost of hurting their own user base. I am not alone as thats how a lot of people feel. We are expressing our condemnation of this behaviour by actually calling what it does to both Nvidia cards and to a stronger extent to AMD cards. Gimp is an insulting reference but Gameworks does insult the PC gaming community and the average PC gamer by hurting performance for what has been shown to be very less tangible improvement in image quality. The large performance loss on enabling Gameworks features is something which even editors of top tech press sites debate and few strongly condemn Nvidia for. This shady business tactic affects even older Nvidia cards and is being used to sell the latest gen hardware. Such a business tactic is even more repulsive. If criticizing Gameworks is not allowed in a Gameworks game performance review thread then where else do you want to do it.
If it hurts performance so much but gives no visual gains then turn it off and forget about it. No need to go on and on and on and on ....
Gameworks has never been just about a single feature. Games that feature gameworks have poor performance even with gameworks features turned off.If it hurts performance so much but gives no visual gains then turn it off and forget about it. No need to go on and on and on and on ....
Simple: In the test scene of PCGH Radeons dying due to overtesselation. We have switched off because it brings nothing, especially in the scene.
Very strange your benchmarks! In PCGH a GTX 780 is much faster than doing a R9 390X, but it looks with you very, very different! How do you explain that?
It's about time mods permanently ban the trolls that are spout the "Gimp" words, they aren't discussing anything, they just want to attack, FUD and slander Nvidia and their Gameworks program that pushes PC gaming forward just because their uncompetitive company is losing badly.
If you don't like to push your PC gaming to highest limits then suggest you buy a console and enjoy your 900P 30FPS or 720P 30FPS gaming and save yourself a few thousand dollars that you would have spent on PC parts, thats more than enough for gaming.
I'm pleased to find so far that this game is better at sub 60fps than most. My Freesync minimum is 40hz, but in most FPS games I still try to maintain 60fps when possible because first person really benefits from a high framerate regardless of tearing. This game handles motion well and I don't have to chase 60fps like a rapid dog.
I am using the High preset, but reduced Shadows to Medium and increased Ambiet Occlusion to HBAO+. I force Max Tessellation to 8X via Crimson. I get 50s and 60s+ when there's not too much stuff going on, but even when there is I still stay within my Freesync range and this game handles 40s and low 50s framerates much better than most.
I think it's due to a lack of frametime spikes, the motion blur, and third person view.
It's about time mods permanently ban the trolls that are spouting the "Gimp" words, they aren't discussing anything, they just want to attack, FUD and slander Nvidia and their Gameworks program that pushes PC gaming forward just because their uncompetitive company is losing badly.
If you don't like to push your PC gaming to highest limits then suggest you buy a console and enjoy your 900P 30FPS or 720P 30FPS gaming and save yourself a few thousand dollars that you would have spent on PC parts, thats more than enough for gaming.
Good to hear. I want to like the game. Also, how much of a difference does Freesync make? I'm starting to be less and less antipathetic towards vendor lock-in, once the XR341CK drops back down from the stratosphere.
http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/07/15/how-gameworks-makes-building-better-games-faster-and-easier/
Gameworks makes games better, it's not Nvidia's fault the competitor can't release optimized drivers on time, besides we know AMD intentionally games the tessellation factor requests by a game anyway with their control panel cheats to reduce the tessellations workloads.
https://scalibq.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/catalyst-hotfix-11-1a-amd-admits-defeat-in-tessellation/
But hey, anything to attack Nvidia just to make themselves feel better.
It's a very beautiful game even with some reductions from Max settings. Can't believe I didn't mention that. I'm enjoying the scenes..
Gameworks has never been just about a single feature. Games that feature gameworks have poor performance even with gameworks features turned off.
Surely this isn't a hard concept to understand?
Usually when I see people defend gameworks it's comments like this where they clearly don't fully understand the situation.
Gameworks benefits no one. Not even nvidia users. It lowers performance for all users.... How can people be happy about that?
If DX 12 is a low level api, it would make sense that it isn't (yet) on the pc platform due to the different layout between consoles and PC.