Performance Vs Longevity

BonzaiDuck

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There must be an intersection or overlap between over-clocking myths and over-clocking rules-of-thumb.

For instance, somebody on some forum somewhere -- coulda been Anandtech -- suggested that if you over-clock with a net increase in speed or voltage of 20%, you might expect your rig's longevity to be something like 80%. That is, the processor-- with an expected lifespan of ten years, might last eight.

I've developed a different view about this based on factory specs: "If you adopt some particular over-clocking strategy, the part that is stressed the most -- in relation to its factory spec limitations -- will fail sooner than everything else."

My experience over-clocking has only spanned some two years, while my experience building PCs extends over maybe fifteen years. So I'm new to this.

And my system is now a generation and a half old. Socket-478. Northwood migrated to Prescott. 800 Mhz FSB. SATA-150 drives.

What I chose to do in the end was to drop the multiplier on a Prescott 3.2E to 2.8 Ghz, and then to over-clock the front-side bus back to 1,000 Mhz so the processor ran at 3.5 Ghz and the memory modules (DDR500's) ran at their full spec.

Now there may be different opinions about this from more knowledgeable luminaries in this forum, but I don't believe that this pushed the processor to its stress limit. The net effect was to run the processor at 3.5 Ghz, or 300 Mhz over its recommended speed. The memory was run within its rated speed. And the motherboard was pushed beyond its recommended limit by 25%.

A month ago, what appeared to be memory errors crashed my system after six months of smooth running. But I replaced the memories with a dual-core kit rated and reviewed to run even faster. And after extensive error-free MEMTEST86 testing, S&M version 1.7.6 showed memory error -- an "address" error -- at a lower setting than with the original modules. It also "passed" the processor. Some more validation may be warranted, but it looks like the motherboard was beginning to "go south."

In hindsight, what could I expect to happen? And, in hindsight, it would seem that I might have been better off getting the fastest processor I could find with "decent" over-clocking potential, so I could spread the risk more evenly among components. For instance, I might get low-latency memories that were proven to be flexibly over-clockable at those latencies, and choose only to run the FSB up by an addition in Mhz only one-third of that achieved before.

Tell me -- tell us -- about your relatively short-lived over-clocking project, and whether your parts failure follows the hypothesis I put forward above. It isn't likely that each and all such failures will show that the part most-stressed by an over-clocking strategy is the part shortest-lived, but I'm betting that a large enough statistical sample will bear it out.


 

stevty2889

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Well the only overclocking gone bad experience I have was with my first Pentium-D 920 having one of the cores die, but I was doing some things I wouldn't have normaly tried, such as soldering a wire for an attempted BSEL mod, which is more than likely what killed one of the cores. Other than that, I've been overclocking since my Pentium II 266 from 1998, and not one CPU has died(assides from 1 core on my 1st 920). CPU's I can remember overclocking
2 pentium-2 266mhz CPUs, at 300mhz, still running today
Celeron 667 to 733mhz still running
2x P4 1.6a still running at 2.1ghz and 2.4ghz still going
Mobile P4 1.6ghz running at 2.4ghz still going
P4 2.4c @3.1ghz still running
p4 2.0a @2.4ghz still running
P4 3.06ghz @ 3.43ghz still running
P4 2.8E @3.5ghz still running
P4 550 3.4ghz @3.82ghz still running
Pentium-D 920, was running at 3.7ghz, now running at stock with 1 core, locks up after a while with the second core enabled.
Current sytems
Dothan 725 1.6ghz @2.4ghz
X2 4200+ @2.618ghz
Pentium-D 920 @3.2ghz(was at 3.43 till water cooling sprung a leak)
Pentium-D 805 @3.7ghz
P4 3.2ES @3.45ghz
 

slatr

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Other than a couple of hard drives, I have never had a single piece of hardware die other than a cheap power supply and a PNY 4200.The 4200 wasn't overclocked either.

All the processors I overclocked from K6-2 to Celeron to Athlon to P4 to Opteron and so on were fine. I don't overvolt either and all these chips were fine...so I am not hesitant to overclock.

My 2 cents






 

slippy4twenty

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Only real failures I've had....

Old Gateway rig with a 486DX33, replaced it with a 100mhz "overdrive" chip......overheated and killed either the mobo or expanded the pin holes.

Asus Geforce3 64mb card. Horrid card.....fan clogged up and died. Replaced it with a 486 cooler from radioshack, clogged again and I let it overheat.

A few HD's over the years.....nothing major. They usually failed after giving plenty of warning thankfully (one I actually used the freezer trick amazingly).
 

Mucker

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I bought my first PC in 1987. Main component failures to date:

MB = 0 (did buy a bad used one on the FS/FT forums though, the seller screwed with the chipset but didn't bother to tell me that)
CPU = 0
Memory = 0
Hard drives = 2 (both laptops, 0 desktop)
Videocard = 0
PSU = 1 (Antec NeoPower 480)
 

CP5670

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I have had a few hard drives die or DOA out of the box (IBM deathstar 75GB, Seagate 120GB and Maxtor 160GB), but nothing else. Although I recently bought a OCZ 520W Powerstream that has a broken fan, so I need to replace it.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Six posts -- I came back to check my "troll line" on this topic.

This was the first motherboard that ever failed on me -- the P4P800 SE. The older model, simply called the P4P800 "standard" (as opposed to "dee-lucks"), is running strong in my bro's system -- a 3.0C OC'd to 3.6 and the DDR500 "Gold EL" modules at DDR480.

The other thing about this six-month-long dream system turned sour (you dual core Athlon-ers can laugh, but yes -- "dream") -- it had an OCZ DDR Booster in a memory slot. I left it there for "voltage stability," although it had never been tuned up above 2.95V, and ran most of the time at 2.9. There were some forum posts at another web-site I discovered two weeks ago, where people were complaining that the gadget couldn't hold it's voltage settings.

I yanked it out of the system before replacing the mobo and modules. The old mobo still showed memory errors with the replacement XTC modules from OCZ -- and I'm waiting -- perhaps a week -- to verify my suspicions about the mobo by sticking them in my bro's machine. As I said -- that one stands up good and strong under S&M testing with the "long" settings.

Other hardware problems I've had -- far and few between -- could never be attributed to over-clocking. Two hard drives in the mid-1990's; a power-supply; a few CDROM devices that went on the fritz. Never had problems with processors, mobos or memory, though. Not until now . . . . .

 

boshuter

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It depends on your idea of overclocking.... if you ask this question on an overclocking site you will get completely different answers than you are getting here. I can't remember how much hardware I've killed Usually when I get a new cpu I'll start playing with it and see how high it will bench, after I'm confident I've ran the best benches I can then I'll usually start pumping volts into it to see just how high it will go.... I lost an 840es a month ago when my evap retaining ring popped off during a super pi run with 1.75vcore, lost an X1800XT when frost got into the pci slot... the list goes on
 

FelixDeCat

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Ive posted many times about the two notorious AMD Athlons that crapped out and died on me within a month. No to mention flakey VIA boards. To this day I still wont buy a VIA board, I tried one late last year and it was still a piece of junk.
 

TekDemon

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I haven't yet had an overclocked CPU die on me...and I've done some pretty hardcore overclocks...but then again lately all my CPUs have been running stock. Mostly on my main rig due to a craptacular motherboard with problematic capacitors (which I already replaced a few of-which restored stability enough that I could again overclock but not a lot).

But back in the day I had a CPU running 53% overclocked and it lasted years without issue...I ended up selling it since it was outdated (Pentium III 550E in slot version-which had a higher default voltage than the socket version for those who still remember)
 

slippy4twenty

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freezer trick.....stick your not booting or clicking hard drive into the freezer for about 30 minutes. Pop it in the computer, and boot it. Frankly it's a complete crapshoot. I've used it at a 50/50ish rate (I only did it once on my drive, and it worked. Worked for a bunch of customers too).

I've heard on the newer fluid bearing drives it works better.

Will never really last long. If you reboot you almost always loose the ability to boot it again.
 

BonzaiDuck

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On the Overclockers.com web-site, Citerella wrote an interesting article about the effect of frequency and voltage increases -- respectively -- on the thermal wattage of processors.

In my system, I never bumped the CPU voltage much above the motherboard's minimum, and the setting was below Intel's "warranty" limit of 1.4V. Yet, resellers typically presented the 3.2E as operating in a voltage range between 1.25V and 1.525V, and several overclockers -- in forums and reseller customer reviews -- suggested they had pushed the VCORE to 1.5V.

I can't be sure what deleterious effects would result from using the ASUS "Lock-Free" feature to drop the multiple on a 3.2E to 14 from 16, but that's what I did. At the highest stable OC setting for that multiple, I had it running at 3.5 Ghz. If one were to start from a multiple of 16, 3.5 is not much of an over-clock for that processor.

Again, the processor got a clean bill of health through "Long" CPU tests with S&M. But the memory continued to show an address error -- even at more conservative settings of DDR480. The memory in question was a pair of Platinum XTC DDR500's tested by OCZ before sending them to me as replacements for the EL Gold DDR500's in use when I started having trouble at beginning of April, or last month.

Again, "they say" that the two enemies of CPU longevity are voltage and heat. But my CPU was never over-volted, and it never got warmer than about 106F or 41C at S&M 90% load.


 
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