"Perseverance Pays Off in Baghdad"

ProfJohn

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ummm not much to say about this other than interesting.

Beyond the news stories of bombs and killings a few million people go about living their lives.
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The recent violence in Sadrist areas of Baghdad should not distract us from the big picture. The capital city of Iraq is immensely more at peace than it was a year ago.

This time last year, there were deep booms and the rattle of extended firefights from virtually all around the compass throughout the day and night. Such incidents are now a rare occurrence in a week.

Some of the reasons for this progress are better known than others. The surge, the Awakening Councils and the neighborhood-based counterinsurgency program have received solid credit.

But the condign effects of the Iraqis' own Baghdad Services Committee and Popular Mobilization Committee have garnered little attention outside Iraq, perhaps because they are led by Ahmed Chalabi, the returned exile who is far more controversial abroad than at home. Yet these days the committees' weekly government-level meetings are attended by ministers and American and Iraqi generals from David Petraeus on down.

Whatever some Americans in the U.S. may think of Mr. Chalabi, this much is certain: He has stayed in Baghdad throughout the troubles, living in the Red Zone, touring the neighborhoods more than any Iraqi politician, and routinely incurring considerable risks. He could have lived safely abroad on his family wealth.

Mr. Chalabi has made no effort to advertise that he helped the surge succeed by implementing the civilian arm of the Baghdad Security Plan through the work of the two committees. Arguably, he has, more than anyone in the country, evolved a detailed sense of what ails Baghdadis and how to fix things.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki appointed Mr. Chalabi to launch the committees last year, no doubt because Mr. Chalabi's unusual habit of direct contact with the populace made him the only realistic choice.

The Popular Mobilization Committee (PMC) was launched in February 2007. It now supervises the activity of some 3,000 volunteers around Baghdad. They, in turn, operate a localized system of 120 neighborhood watch committees. They provide intelligence, report trouble, help settle returnees to their homes and the like. They have been crucial in stabilizing the city neighborhood by neighborhood.

Mr. Chalabi estimates that a total of perhaps one million (mostly Sunni middle-class) refugees left Baghdad after 2003. Many of them left Iraq, while some 350,000 were internally displaced. A quarter have now returned, and more are coming back, chiefly because their money has run out. They routinely find squatters in their homes.

According to Mr. Chalabi, the situation is often delicate, but not as bad as it might be. "Everyone knows who actually lives where," he says. "People work out reasonable solutions. Baghdadis are very clear about ownership." (According to a Chalabi aide, real estate values in the city have actually gone up in the last year.) Since many of the refugees were forcibly purged, a deal of suspicion and anxiety attends the process, which the local committees help smooth out.

Meanwhile, the PMC takes Shiite leaders into Sunni areas and vice-versa. "We just did two reconciliation meetings where hostile tribal chieftains invited each other just because they heard we were coming," Mr. Chalabi told me.

Through the PMC, Sunni mosques are returned to Sunnis. Intersectarian prayers are held. The PMC also monitors the prisons, and provides legal help to citizens, as requested by the local committees. To avoid favoritism and the appearance of patronage, "we decided that whoever does the most work gets to lead the committees," says Mr. Chalabi. As a result, even the most hostile sectarian areas welcome his efforts as practical rather than political, and above all as efficacious.

This is especially true of the Baghdad Services Committee, which concentrates on water, electricity, infrastructure repair and the like. The BSC was launched in November 2007, with the immediate goal of reclaiming the circle of power plants deliberately positioned by Saddam Hussein around Baghdad in Baathist areas.

Much of the city's post-Saddam power supply was either hijacked or deliberately sabotaged, until the BSC identified the problem. It demanded a military presence to protect substations, while arranging for the railways to transport diesel into the city. Electricity supply today is three hours on, three off, up from one hour a day last year.

Mr. Chalabi complains that the U.S. does not do enough to help the power supply. "In Mahmoudiya [a suburb], we are asking the Russians to come back and complete a power station which they half-finished in Saddam's time," he says. "Electricity is crucial also for pumping water. Baghdad needs three million cubic meters of water a day. The most reliable source north of Baghdad can provide almost a half of that, but it needs power. We got . . . [from the US military] a massive generator of 60 megahertz, whereas all our system is designed for 50 megahertz ? it's just sitting there."

Some Baghdad neighborhoods are improvised shantytowns with no access to water and no sewage system. Says Mr. Chalabi: "We must provide 1,000 tanker trucks quickly by this summer. But I'm not confident we'll get them. The real, long-term solution is to build housing with proper infrastructure ? we are in desperate need of new housing."

The BSC has gained a considerable reputation around Baghdad for taking government ministers into neglected areas, television cameras in tow, to shame the government into action. Mr. Chalabi's political party, the Iraqi National Congress, also recently launched a weekly newspaper entirely about services, in which citizens get to sound off and government officials are asked to respond.

The practical projects of these committees aside, one could argue that their greatest service has been psychological: to show that the problems of Baghdad, and by implication Iraq, are not some bottomless pit of chaos. They can be dealt with concretely and overcome with perseverance.
 

NeoV

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"Beyond the news stories of bombs and killings a few million people go about living their lives."

If you discount the few hundred thousand dead, the few million that left the country, the continued lack of water and electricity to pre-war levels....sure, it's rosy
 
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Originally posted by: NeoV
"Beyond the news stories of bombs and killings a few million people go about living their lives."

If you discount the few hundred thousand dead, the few million that left the country, the continued lack of water and electricity to pre-war levels....sure, it's rosy

Eh, nothing would outweigh a state of political stability and US presence right in the middle of the middle east.

People seem to forget North Korea Russia and China would be having a hay day were it not for our presence in other countries bordering these.

Anyone claiming the vast majority of the world does not benefit is deluding themselves. Just how exactly do they think Europe would defend themselves? They don't have the technology, funds, or standing army to keep things under control, let alone defend against an invasion.

The elderly in Europe are very very thankful for the US presence. It's only the younger more flippant, liberal generation that doesn't seem to get that peace in all of history has been held with an iron fist. Our iron fist is much more forgiving than any other country's in history.

Then when we finally do listen to the whiners and pull out, people start complaining about how complacent and spoiled we are and how we should be helping the world and freeing oppressed peoples.

There's just too much inconsistency and general immaturity and silliness in the liberal school of thought to be taken seriously.
 
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Nonsense. There's no progress being made, everything sucks, gloom and doom!

lol!

Did you notice how immediately after Pres Bush's speech a couple months ago on progress and plans in Iraq, basically all media coverage of the atrocities disappeared, because the whole world saw the progress made towards a politically stable Iraq and how amazingly far we had actually come.

That was day of laughter for me. No better way to silence the critics than with truth.
 

Lemon law

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I somewhat love the fact the PJ alludes to Chalibi family wealth when much of it comes from his bank embezzlement in Jordon. For which a conviction already is registered in his name in Jordanian courts.

But in a more fair and balanced sense, PJ is correct, Chalibi is making some positive and pragmatic initiatives in Iraq and some are making the overall situation better in Iraq.
In some ways the same can be said for Al Sadr who has done much to feed the poor in Baghdad. And while its easy to demonize the Mahdi army it has a large social services wing that uses non violent means. And in terms of giving credit to a reduction of Iraqi violence, at least IMHO, Al Sadr's cease fire has done far more than Chalibi has. And in terms of the Mahdi army as a whole, Al Sadr could do more to rein in some of the more thuggish in his army and the same could be said of GWB and the American army.

But I think this thread is overall positive, we should not think of various Iraqi or US figures in purely black and white cartoon terms.
 

orangat

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
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Eh, nothing would outweigh a state of political stability and US presence right in the middle of the middle east.

People seem to forget North Korea Russia and China would be having a hay day were it not for our presence in other countries bordering these.

Anyone claiming the vast majority of the world does not benefit is deluding themselves. Just how exactly do they think Europe would defend themselves? They don't have the technology, funds, or standing army to keep things under control, let alone defend against an invasion.

The elderly in Europe are very very thankful for the US presence. It's only the younger more flippant, liberal generation that doesn't seem to get that peace in all of history has been held with an iron fist. Our iron fist is much more forgiving than any other country's in history.

Then when we finally do listen to the whiners and pull out, people start complaining about how complacent and spoiled we are and how we should be helping the world and freeing oppressed peoples.

There's just too much inconsistency and general immaturity and silliness in the liberal school of thought to be taken seriously.

Absolute nonsense.
The US has created more instability in the ME in recent decades by supporting wars, dictatorships, oil monarchies, opposing the UN vote for a Palestinian state and protesting Israels abuses every year nearly alone together with Israel against the rest of the world.

The fear of Russia/China/NK steamrolling the world is a myth. Especially since after detente in the mid 60s when Russia started on the decline. The 'team B' maniacs in US actually tried to instigate conflict.

Europeans have big and technologically advanced military forces that are more than capable of defending themselves. France was perfectly happy to leave NATO. The myth of Europe being backwards is a ploy to encourage other countries buy US arms instead. Check out military balance for info

The iron fist of US has been felt acutely by many poor countries and caused millions dead. Look at all the coups, covert operations involving destabilization, murder, coercion, torture that the US has carried out and supported since WW2. See William Blum for a full list.

Korea and Japan wants less US presence despite the 'huge' threat lurking out there somewhere. Philippines was very happy to see US leave in the 1992.
 

orangat

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
ummm not much to say about this other than interesting.

Beyond the news stories of bombs and killings a few million people go about living their lives.
link
The recent violence in Sadrist areas of Baghdad should not distract us from the big picture. The capital city of Iraq is immensely more at peace than it was a year ago.

This time last year, there were deep booms and the rattle of extended firefights from virtually all around the compass throughout the day and night. Such incidents are now a rare occurrence in a week.

Some of the reasons for this progress are better known than others. The surge, the Awakening Councils and the neighborhood-based counterinsurgency program have received solid credit.

But the condign effects of the Iraqis' own Baghdad Services Committee and Popular Mobilization Committee have garnered little attention outside Iraq, perhaps because they are led by Ahmed Chalabi, the returned exile who is far more controversial abroad than at home. Yet these days the committees' weekly government-level meetings are attended by ministers and American and Iraqi generals from David Petraeus on down.
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Looks like the WSJ is trying to safe face by painting Chalabi in a good light.
Its hard to imagine that this business crook on the run was the person that the neocons wanted to 'hand the keys' over to in Iraq.
 

bamacre

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Didn't Rupert Murdoch buy the WSJ? Jees, another neo-conservative mouthpiece painting a rosy picture of Iraq? Who would have thunk it?
 

orangat

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Didn't Rupert Murdoch buy the WSJ? Jees, another neo-conservative mouthpiece painting a rosy picture of Iraq? Who would have thunk it?

The WSJ has always been conservative, after all who does it work with every day to get news?
During the cold war it cheered on US military interventions and called CIA + Suharto's 1965 bloody coup a shining light in Asia.
 

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Absolute nonsense.
The US has created more instability in the ME in recent decades by supporting wars, dictatorships, oil monarchies, opposing the UN vote for a Palestinian state and protesting Israels abuses every year nearly alone together with Israel against the rest of the world.

The fear of Russia/China/NK steamrolling the world is a myth. Especially since after detente in the mid 60s when Russia started on the decline. The 'team B' maniacs in US actually tried to instigate conflict.

Europeans have big and technologically advanced military forces that are more than capable of defending themselves. France was perfectly happy to leave NATO. The myth of Europe being backwards is a ploy to encourage other countries buy US arms instead. Check out military balance for info

The iron fist of US has been felt acutely by many poor countries and caused millions dead. Look at all the coups, covert operations involving destabilization, murder, coercion, torture that the US has carried out and supported since WW2. See William Blum for a full list.

Korea and Japan wants less US presence despite the 'huge' threat lurking out there somewhere. Philippines was very happy to see US leave in the 1992.[/quote]

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The surge has been such a huge success that according to the people's general, David Petraeus, any withdrawal now would send Iraq spinning into a violent and very bloody war and that any withdrawal of American forces in the near future is simply out of the question. In other words, the ultimate goal of a stable and political self-sustaining Iraqi government is no where near completion in the near future. Something sensible people were saying before the surge one year ago. But hey, I guess those people just knew that banking on a theoretical exercise in democratic nation-building despite hundreds of years of contrary evidence, would be a bad idea.

Go surge!
 

OrByte

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The surge is like plugging a hole in the dam with your fingers....yeah that works out REALLY good...
 
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