Person accidentally shoots himself with Uzi

[Tim]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that meltdown75 is here.

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re-fixed for ironing.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

Well nothing can prevent events from happening but like any other law, it can certainly aid in making people think twice about their actions. That alone will reduce stats versus keeping it legal which only promotes momos like you from asking stupid questions.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that meltdown75 is here.

fixed

re-fixed for ironing.

hahahah easy, plaid i love you.

 

[skyking]

That's terrible. Those poor EMS guys that went to that call
EDIT:
I just saw the video of the father being interviewed, posted later in this thread.
Wow.:brokenheart:

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

Well nothing can prevent events from happening but like any other law, it can certainly aid in making people think twice about their actions. That alone will reduce stats versus keeping it legal which only promotes momos like you from asking stupid questions.

Dude, you like, sooooo didn't answer my question. Like you just like ignored it and stuff. Oh, and like, what's a momo?

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

Well nothing can prevent events from happening but like any other law, it can certainly aid in making people think twice about their actions. That alone will reduce stats versus keeping it legal which only promotes momos like you from asking stupid questions.

He's being a dumbass. I agree somewhat with your post but rather then putting laws in effect makes better sense if these ranges revise their instructions and guidelines for using weapons. Like don't give a kid a weapon that's half his size and on full auto.

 

[Tiamat]

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

It's pretty stupid to let an 8-year-old handle anything more than a low-caliber semi-automatic. When I was 13 (first started shooting) I barely had the wrist/hand strength to keep a semi auto 9mm on target, let alone a full-auto uzi. The kickback of any high-caliber weapons would be pretty painful for a kid, too.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

That means they're not preventable does it?

And isn't it strange that so many of these accidents happen in the USA... hmmmm... can't think why that might be...

Outside of guns, they same types of accidents happen all over the world...usually with more fatal results due to the rest of the world not trying to stupid proof everything.

I think you'll find there ar just as many, or likely many more, health and safety laws in Europe than the USA. I can tell you right now that boy would never have fired that thing here in the UK - what kind of idiot thinks an 8 year old has the strength and skill to handle a fsking sub machine gun? If he wants to shoot get him lying on the ground with a .22 and have someone stand over him the whole time.

Gun deaths are very minor

What?

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that meltdown75 is here.

fixed

re-fixed for ironing.

hahahah easy, plaid fad.

Fixed again for what better have been a typo. :|

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: theplaidfad

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that meltdown75 is here.

fixed

re-fixed for ironing.

hahahah easy, plaid fad.

Fixed again for what better have been a typo. :|

no typos here, nancy pants

 

[Tim]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
no typos here, nancy pants

BLARG! You've awoken the monster. Better not drop the soap, chump!

EDIT: Oh, wait...

 

[xeno2060]

I find it Ironic that it happened in Mass. one of the States with more strict firearms laws than others. Anytime a child is harmed no matter what the cause it is sad. My Family are all shooters, I had my first firearm when I was 5yrs old. My kids all shoot everything from 22 rimfire to Big bore Rifles. I have fired many different types of Fullauto weapons and I would never hand an 8yr old an UZI.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

Well nothing can prevent events from happening but like any other law, it can certainly aid in making people think twice about their actions. That alone will reduce stats versus keeping it legal which only promotes momos like you from asking stupid questions.

Dude, you like, sooooo didn't answer my question. Like you just like ignored it and stuff. Oh, and like, what's a momo?

Hmmm...case in point.

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irrisponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irrisponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

So I suppose you are for everyone haveing to wait the x amount of days with the possibillity to be denined to buy a pistol as well? Even though by your right as an American citizen you are allowed to own one. And it's not like if the person is denined they can't get a gun.


If you want to talk irresponsible look at how many irresponsible parents there are yet they still have their kids in their possesion, they are still allowed to reproduce and they are still alive. Or auto drivers?

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: hiromizu
Hmm....

I think the gun was responsible for the accident, not the child or idiot dad.

Stop thinking then if that's the best you can do.



It was an accident. Accidents happen. That's why they are called accidents.

Texas Ranger, it was a joke.

MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Like what kind of laws are you talking about. Like provide an example of a law that like prevents someone from handing a gun over to his son. Like explain how it would work and stuff, you know like how would you like enforce it and stuff. Like yeah, I mean like totally, how would it work like you know and stuff, yeah...

Well nothing can prevent events from happening but like any other law, it can certainly aid in making people think twice about their actions. That alone will reduce stats versus keeping it legal which only promotes momos like you from asking stupid questions.

Dude, you like, sooooo didn't answer my question. Like you just like ignored it and stuff. Oh, and like, what's a momo?

Hmmm...case in point.

Like totally dude, I get you man like yeah dude. Like..yeah...

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: hiromizu
MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!

The only thing that banning guns has done in the UK and in Australia is increase gun crime. There are more crimes committed using guns in the UK and Australia now than there were before handguns were banned. (Citations: ?Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger?, The Times, August 24, 2007; British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002; Australian Institute of Criminology, ?Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002", April 2003; The Sydney Morning Herald, ?Costa targets armed robbers?, April 4, 2002; "Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?", Dr. Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.)

Banning firearms does not solve anything.

Now, if you want to talk about laws prohibiting an 8 year old from being allowed to fire a select-fire weapon, then I'm right there with you.

ZV

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irresponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irresponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

No I think whoever gave a fully automatic machine PISTOL with an ENORMOUS KICK to an 8 year old child without KNOWING the kid is experienced, and directly watching him fire another less erratic weapon first, and explaining about the kick and how to keep it under control, and probably holding the weapon for him the first couple of times, after thoroughly discussing it with his parents is a complete imbecile, and should have his "Certified Instructor" training revoked, and should have to meet the father in a dark alley with no witnesses.

I'm not trolling here. Anti-gun morons have been using dead children to prop up their ridiculous and insane arguments against firearms for ages, and what do we have here? A bunch of unthinking emotionally-driven comments by the uninformed, or just plain stupid.

The kid is dead because someone's human judgment failed, not because guns are bad or any more dangerous than pet rocks.

Stupid comments that irked me:

Originally posted by: meltdown75


the USA.

Originally posted by: ScottyB

That's why I was asking. He was the one that killed himself. But then there are the idiot, fucktard gun nuts who think it is fine and dandy to five an 8 y.o. an uzi to consider.

Originally posted by: acid45
Boooooooom headshot!?

Sick sick and sicko!

 

[irishScott]

No way an 8 year old could handle the recoil of an uzi on full auto. The kid's a tragedy, the father should be castrated.

 

[silverpig]

I bet it's cause the kid played counter-strike.

 

[The Stig]

This is local to me, no opinion here but FWIW local radio has been talking about how RE: the kickback arguments they were using light-load rounds for all full auto's at the show. No specific facts or knowledge but have heard a lot about how they were not full bore rounds.

Also FWIW lots of people who were also at the show talking about how lots of kids/adults were shooting the Uzi, a Thompson other full-auto weapons. So not an extraordinary case of "This guy made his 8-year-old wield a gun". They had a set line and had the people shoot one by one with a member of the club supervising and in the case of children supporting the kid and the weapon. So the fact that the 8-year-old was even given the Uzi to shoot was not a reckless act it was part of the show for many people. Still... no details yet about how this really happened. I'm guessing a ricochet?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irresponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irresponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

No I think whoever gave a fully automatic machine PISTOL with an ENORMOUS KICK to an 8 year old child without KNOWING the kid is experienced, and directly watching him fire another less erratic weapon first, and explaining about the kick and how to keep it under control, and probably holding the weapon for him the first couple of times, after thoroughly discussing it with his parents is a complete imbecile, and should have his "Certified Instructor" training revoked, and should have to meet the father in a dark alley with no witnesses.

I'm not trolling here. Anti-gun morons have been using dead children to prop up their ridiculous and insane arguments against firearms for ages, and what do we have here? A bunch of unthinking emotionally-driven comments by the uninformed, or just plain stupid.

The kid is dead because someone's human judgment failed, not because guns are bad or any more dangerous than pet rocks.

Stupid comments that irked me:

Originally posted by: meltdown75


the USA.

Originally posted by: ScottyB

That's why I was asking. He was the one that killed himself. But then there are the idiot, fucktard gun nuts who think it is fine and dandy to five an 8 y.o. an uzi to consider.

Originally posted by: acid45
Boooooooom headshot!?

Sick sick and sicko!

:music: why oh why do they second guess... GUN CONTROL
my oh my what a dirty mess... save their souls :music:

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: mooseracing

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Err, I am against irrisponsible people having guns. The Uzi owner was definitely irrisponsible. Or do you think he was in the right?

So I suppose you are for everyone haveing to wait the x amount of days with the possibillity to be denined to buy a pistol as well? Even though by your right as an American citizen you are allowed to own one. And it's not like if the person is denined they can't get a gun.


If you want to talk irresponsible look at how many irresponsible parents there are yet they still have their kids in their possesion, they are still allowed to reproduce and they are still alive. Or auto drivers?

What are you talking about? I am talking about the gun owner being irresponsible handing a uzi to an 8 year old. Stop projecting your own prejudice.

The only regulation I would stipulate in light of this is "Do not hand a weapon to someone not licensed for that class of weapon."

I am against all irrisponsible behaviours, we just happen to be talking about gun death.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's pretty stupid to let an 8-year-old handle anything more than a low-caliber semi-automatic. When I was 13 (first started shooting) I barely had the wrist/hand strength to keep a semi auto 9mm on target, let alone a full-auto uzi. The kickback of any high-caliber weapons would be pretty painful for a kid, too.

That's actually where I think the chain of stupid started.

The Uzi uses the standard 9mm Luger handgun cartridge. It is not a "high-caliber" weapon by any stretch. The dad probably figured that it was "just a 9mm" and wasn't bright enough to realise that there is a lot more kick from a full-auto than from a single shot.

ZV

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: The Stig
This is local to me, no opinion here but FWIW local radio has been talking about how RE: the kickback arguments they were using light-load rounds for all full auto's at the show. No specific facts or knowledge but have heard a lot about how they were not full bore rounds.

Also FWIW lots of people who were also at the show talking about how lots of kids/adults were shooting the Uzi, a Thompson other full-auto weapons. So not an extraordinary case of "This guy made his 8-year-old wield a gun". They had a set line and had the people shoot one by one with a member of the club supervising and in the case of children supporting the kid and the weapon. So the fact that the 8-year-old was even given the Uzi to shoot was not a reckless act it was part of the show for many people. Still... no details yet about how this really happened. I'm guessing a ricochet?

Wait, you are telling me there was a line of kids waiting to fire the UZI??? This goes beyond temporary misjudgement then.