Person accidentally shoots himself with Uzi

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: mugs
... but I don't think I've ever seen anyone that young firing an automatic weapon at the Knob Creek machine gun shoot in Kentucky.

so what makes you are an authority on it that can absolutely state there has never been one?

Alkemyst, there is something wrong with you. It's not normal to try to start arguments over insignificant little things.

That's what a troll does.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Baked
What a noob. That kid needs more training.

A little late for that.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: xeno2060
I find it Ironic that it happened in Mass. one of the States with more strict firearms laws than others. Anytime a child is harmed no matter what the cause it is sad. My Family are all shooters, I had my first firearm when I was 5yrs old. My kids all shoot everything from 22 rimfire to Big bore Rifles. I have fired many different types of Fullauto weapons and I would never hand an 8yr old an UZI.

Except the kid and father were from CT.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: The Stig
This is local to me, no opinion here but FWIW local radio has been talking about how RE: the kickback arguments they were using light-load rounds for all full auto's at the show. No specific facts or knowledge but have heard a lot about how they were not full bore rounds.

Also FWIW lots of people who were also at the show talking about how lots of kids/adults were shooting the Uzi, a Thompson other full-auto weapons. So not an extraordinary case of "This guy made his 8-year-old wield a gun". They had a set line and had the people shoot one by one with a member of the club supervising and in the case of children supporting the kid and the weapon. So the fact that the 8-year-old was even given the Uzi to shoot was not a reckless act it was part of the show for many people. Still... no details yet about how this really happened. I'm guessing a ricochet?

If that's how they set it up, they were irresponsible. The first time anyone is shooting a weapon like that there should be only a single round in the firearm.

A true "light load" will not cycle the action of most semi-automatic and full-automatic firearms. Both full- and semi-automatic firearms depend upon the recoil (either mechanical or the gas pressure) to operate the cycling mechanism. For this reason, there is a lower limit on how "light" a round can be and still reliably cycle the weapon. This is not like "Cowboy" shooting where the loadings are ridiculously light since the revolvers used there do not need energy from the cartridge to cycle.

There are numerous points of failure here:

1) Too many rounds in the magazine for an inexperienced shooter.
2) Disregard for the fact that it's not possible to use true light loads in automatic (either full or semi) weapons.
3) No baseline requirement for the people shooting the weapons (there is no way the operator should have allowed an 8 year old to fire the Uzi)

I am as vehemently pro-gun as a person can get, but even I do not support the abhorrent "safety" practices that were used in this situation.

ZV

 

[alkemyst]

There are many 8 year olds worldwide handing uzi's and beyond everyday for self-defense/military....like Somalia.

Most people here have never fired an uzi and think they are like these uber weapons that can propel you back and shoot a bad guy through the air.

 

[TallBill]

I'm not pro-gun, but I'm anti banning-shit. Anyways, no way they should have let the kid shoot the Uzi for the recoil alone. That being said, no laws were broken and everyone has already been punished enough.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: LS8
Can we hang the idiot who let an eight year old handle a loaded, automatic weapon?

No need, darwin set things right already.

You wouldn't let your 8 year old play with a chain saw, why the hell did Uzi seem like a good idea...

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
There are many 8 year olds worldwide handing uzi's and beyond everyday for self-defense/military....like Somalia.

Most people here have never fired an uzi and think they are like these uber weapons that can propel you back and shoot a bad guy through the air.

They most likely use an AK-47 variant in Somalia. The rifle has even more recoil, but is longer so it would be near impossible to shoot yourself in the face with it.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Class 3 firearms (full automatic and silenced) are perfectly legal in the USA if you meet the ownership requirements and have the correct tax stamps.

Ownership is one thing, allowing someone who doesn't have those papers fire it is another no?

I'm pretty sure as long as you have permission from the owner (and not a felon I assume), you can fire one.

Correct. I know a Class 3 dealer that allows people to fire his for a fee plus the cost of the ammunition. He gets a lot of Japanese tourists as customers.

 

[daniel1113]

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I'm not pro-gun, but I'm anti banning-shit. Anyways, no way they should have let the kid shoot the Uzi for the recoil alone. That being said, no laws were broken and everyone has already been punished enough.

same. though i have no trouble with the knowlege that father is going to see that every time he sleeps and know that he helped kill his son.


i am all for teaching kids to shoot. the kid should have been fireing a .22 or such and not a automatic uzi.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
There are many 8 year olds worldwide handing uzi's and beyond everyday for self-defense/military....like Somalia.

This, presumably, is acceptable to you? You think it's a good thing, or somehow justifies the death of this child?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

 

[meltdown75]

yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

You're telling me more kids drown in pools than shoot themselves with Uzis? Well no shit sherlock - how many kids in this world do you think have swum in a pool? And how many have shot an Uzi? If it's not millions to one I would be very surprized.

Either you are deliberately twisting facts, or you are an idiot.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

At least it's warm enough for swimming pools.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

please engage sarcasm meter before reading my posts

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

please engage sarcasm meter before reading my posts

Oh, sorry

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

Really?

Firearms outnumber swimming pools in the US by 30:1 (that is, there are 30 times as many guns as there are swimming pools). However, for children under 13, the ratio of pool deaths to gun deaths is 11:1. So, there are fewer pools, but more children die in pools than die from firearms.

Statistically the pools are more dangerous.

ZV

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

this the stupidest thing i have ever read on atot. You do realize there are 10's of millions of children that swim in pools while .000000001% of kids(rough estimate) fire uzi's.

This is my problem with guns, it seems the dumber you are the more guns you want. They should require an iq test before you can get anything more than a pistol/shotgun.

 

[meltdown75]

I keep my swimming pool concealed on my person, in case I ever get in an argument and need to drown someone.