Person accidentally shoots himself with Uzi

[Deleted member 4644]

I am not anti-gun at all, but I think it would be reasonable for state governments to pass laws making it illegal to give certain types of weapons to kids, even temporarily.

I see nothing wrong with a young child (8 is a young child) being taught basic firearm handling and plinking at targets. But I think there should be an age limit as far as full-auto weapons and maybe pistols as well.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

this the stupidest thing i have ever read on atot. You do realize there are 10's of millions of children that swim in pools while .000000001% of kids(rough estimate) fire uzi's.

This is my problem with guns, it seems the dumber you are the more guns you want. They should require an iq test before you can get anything more than a pistol/shotgun.

-Read ZV posts.
-Realize you made the dumbest ATOT post of all time.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

Really?

Firearms outnumber swimming pools in the US by 30:1 (that is, there are 30 times as many guns as there are swimming pools). However, for children under 13, the ratio of pool deaths to gun deaths is 11:1. So, there are fewer pools, but more children die in pools than die from firearms.

Statistically the pools are more dangerous.

ZV

You're missing the point - it's not how many guns exist, it's how many < 13 year olds fire them. Very few I bet.

Also, there is every reason for a child of that age to learn to swim - they may need it at any time. A child should never need an automatic weapon and there is no reason to train them in their use, at least not until they are much older than 8, therefore this is not a good risk to take.

I would also point out that this kid was clearly NOT trained in it's use anyway, so it's analagous to putting a kid in a pool who DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM... what are the stats for that I wonder...

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

You're telling me more kids drown in pools than shoot themselves with Uzis? Well no shit sherlock - how many kids in this world do you think have swum in a pool? And how many have shot an Uzi? If it's not millions to one I would be very surprized.

Either you are deliberately twisting facts, or you are an idiot.

Here ya go.

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

Really?

Firearms outnumber swimming pools in the US by 30:1 (that is, there are 30 times as many guns as there are swimming pools). However, for children under 13, the ratio of pool deaths to gun deaths is 11:1. So, there are fewer pools, but more children die in pools than die from firearms.

Statistically the pools are more dangerous.

ZV

Holy smokes. Are you and idiot or do you have tumors?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

The point you miss about the American attitude towards guns is this: Guns are nothing but the logical extension of our own natural self-defense system, otherwise known as our brains. Would you ban a lion from having claws and fangs? Of course not, that is silly! To me, it is just as silly to try and prevent people from having their fangs.

Since it is our brains and hands that have brought our species to the forefront of the food chain, it is only logical that we (someone) WILL use them for survival/getting ahead. Because of this fact and the logistical impossibility of proscribing them entirely, we are of the belief that they should be available to anyone and everyone, with the onus of responsible and safe use falling on the user.

Arguments like yours were thought of ahead of time, as they had been used before, which is PRECISELY why our Constitution so clearly states "...shall not be infringed".

This kinda sorta moots ANY arguments about the inherent safety of guns versus other things, and by the way, despite your ideas about what is actually dangerous in practice, it will probably surprise you to find that improper use of firearms account for very few deaths in the USA compared to other more mundane sounding causes.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

You're telling me more kids drown in pools than shoot themselves with Uzis? Well no shit sherlock - how many kids in this world do you think have swum in a pool? And how many have shot an Uzi? If it's not millions to one I would be very surprized.

Either you are deliberately twisting facts, or you are an idiot.

Here ya go.

What?

If that is supposed to tel me something I didn't know you're gonna have to explain it...

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

This may be the most LOL comment I have ever hear in my entire life pertaining to this issue.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Really?

Firearms outnumber swimming pools in the US by 30:1 (that is, there are 30 times as many guns as there are swimming pools). However, for children under 13, the ratio of pool deaths to gun deaths is 11:1. So, there are fewer pools, but more children die in pools than die from firearms.

Statistically the pools are more dangerous.

ZV

Don't think you can do a straight comparison that way and make it meaningful.

Chances are kids from the neighbourhood go to 1 pool whilst on the gun side, 1 person owns multiple guns.

I don't particularly care for people arguing for or against fire arm control vs pool. All I care about is of proper firearms and pools safety precautions. Most of these deaths (guns+pool) are preventable.

fixed typo (enter instead of ')

 

[SphinxnihpS]

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[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

You're telling me more kids drown in pools than shoot themselves with Uzis? Well no shit sherlock - how many kids in this world do you think have swum in a pool? And how many have shot an Uzi? If it's not millions to one I would be very surprized.

Either you are deliberately twisting facts, or you are an idiot.

Here ya go.

What?

If that is supposed to tel me something I didn't know you're gonna have to explain it...

For kids:

# of guns > # of pools

# of pool deaths > # of gun deaths

A kid getting killed by a gun is not some common occurance.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

This may be the most LOL comment I have ever hear in my entire life pertaining to this issue.

and if you read the God damn thread you would see that i was being sarcastic and he acknowledged it, so end yourself troll.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: meltdown75
yeah... maybe y'all should ban swimming pools...

:laugh:

Please engage brain before speaking.

This may be the most LOL comment I have ever hear in my entire life pertaining to this issue.

Nope, this is:

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

Really?

Firearms outnumber swimming pools in the US by 30:1 (that is, there are 30 times as many guns as there are swimming pools). However, for children under 13, the ratio of pool deaths to gun deaths is 11:1. So, there are fewer pools, but more children die in pools than die from firearms.

Statistically the pools are more dangerous.

ZV

Holy smokes. Are you and idiot or do you have tumors?

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
I keep my swimming pool concealed on my person, in case I ever get in an argument and need to drown someone.

A psycho killer is on the loose at the mall . . . You whip out your swimming pool. You face another person with a swimming pool! Quick--Do you drown him before he drowns you?!

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: meltdown75
I keep my swimming pool concealed on my person, in case I ever get in an argument and need to drown someone.

A psycho killer is on the loose at the mall . . . You whip out your swimming pool. You face another person with a swimming pool! Quick--Do you drown him before he drowns you?!

mine is an above ground, his is inground. i have a quicker draw!
although he can throw his diving board at me. i don't have one of those

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

The point you miss about the American attitude towards guns is this: Guns are nothing but the logical extension of our own natural self-defense system, otherwise known as our brains. Would you ban a lion from having claws and fangs? Of course not, that is silly! To me, it is just as silly to try and prevent people from having their fangs.

Since it is our brains and hands that have brought our species to the forefront of the food chain, it is only logical that we (someone) WILL use them for survival/getting ahead. Because of this fact and the logistical impossibility of proscribing them entirely, we are of the belief that they should be available to anyone and everyone, with the onus of responsible and safe use falling on the user.

No, I didn't miss that, but I don't think you've thought it out to it's logical conclusion.

You are advocating everyone should have access to weapons. What weapons? How about nuclear weapons? Should everone have those? No? Then you admit there must be a line drawn somewhere, correct?

Then our arguement is meerly about where to draw the line. I would draw it somewhere between having a shotgun in your house for self defence, and handing SMGs to 8 year olds. You would presumably draw it some distance after handing SMGs to 8 year olds... why?

also if you think the authors of your constitution would defend this incident I think you misunderstand them greatly.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: daniel1113
"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair."

"An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally swerving off the track while driving a go kart under adult supervision at a racing fair."

Yawn. Shit happens. This is no different than any other accident.

/edit: anti-American comments removed to avoid flame war

suffice to say you're a fool. clearly an uzi is orders of magniture more dangerous than a go-cart, and you have to draw a line somewhwhere - you'd let a kid fly a jet?

The point you miss about the American attitude towards guns is this: Guns are nothing but the logical extension of our own natural self-defense system, otherwise known as our brains. Would you ban a lion from having claws and fangs? Of course not, that is silly! To me, it is just as silly to try and prevent people from having their fangs.

Since it is our brains and hands that have brought our species to the forefront of the food chain, it is only logical that we (someone) WILL use them for survival/getting ahead. Because of this fact and the logistical impossibility of proscribing them entirely, we are of the belief that they should be available to anyone and everyone, with the onus of responsible and safe use falling on the user.

No, I didn't miss that, but I don't think you've thought it out to it's logical conclusion.

You are advocating everyone should have access to weapons. What weapons? How about nuclear weapons? Should everone have those? No? Then you admit there must be a line drawn somewhere, correct?

Then our arguement is meerly about where to draw the line. I would draw it somewhere between having a shotgun in your house for self defence, and handing SMGs to 8 year olds. You would presumably draw it some distance after handing SMGs to 8 year olds... why?

also if you think the authors of your constitution would defend this incident I think you misunderstand them greatly.

Hook me up with this crystal ball you've got.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Is it more dangerous than a swimming pool?

Errr... of course... are you being sarcastic?

no. Look up the stats on kids drowning in swimming pools.

You're telling me more kids drown in pools than shoot themselves with Uzis? Well no shit sherlock - how many kids in this world do you think have swum in a pool? And how many have shot an Uzi? If it's not millions to one I would be very surprized.

Either you are deliberately twisting facts, or you are an idiot.

Here ya go.

What?

If that is supposed to tel me something I didn't know you're gonna have to explain it...

For kids:

# of guns > # of pools

# of pool deaths > # of gun deaths

A kid getting killed by a gun is not some common occurance.

Already covered this one in reply to ZV above.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Who gets the Darwin award? Father or son?

The kid obviously. He was the one stupid enough to kill himself.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: hiromizu
MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!

The only thing that banning guns has done in the UK and in Australia is increase gun crime. There are more crimes committed using guns in the UK and Australia now than there were before handguns were banned. (Citations: ?Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger?, The Times, August 24, 2007; British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002; Australian Institute of Criminology, ?Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002", April 2003; The Sydney Morning Herald, ?Costa targets armed robbers?, April 4, 2002; "Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?", Dr. Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.)

Banning firearms does not solve anything.

Now, if you want to talk about laws prohibiting an 8 year old from being allowed to fire a select-fire weapon, then I'm right there with you.

ZV

This post is a winner!

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Hook me up with this crystal ball you've got.

They were talking about a militia. Not 8 year olds. It's fairly obvious they didn't say "and all small children shall be allowed to play with weapons and heavy machinary without training or proper supervision"...

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: Atheus

You're missing the point - it's not how many guns exist, it's how many < 13 year olds fire them. Very few I bet.

Very few kids fire guns BECAUSE OF THE SAFEGUARDS built into guns. Kids can't buy guns, people who do buy guns can't just give them out freely to kids, guns are generally kept out of kid's reach etc. Pools, which lack these strict control safeguards, cause many more deaths. Lacking safeguards = more dangerous.

Guns are safer than pools.

This isn't even a debate, it is a proven fact.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: hiromizu
MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!

The only thing that banning guns has done in the UK and in Australia is increase gun crime. There are more crimes committed using guns in the UK and Australia now than there were before handguns were banned. (Citations: ?Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger?, The Times, August 24, 2007; British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002; Australian Institute of Criminology, ?Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002", April 2003; The Sydney Morning Herald, ?Costa targets armed robbers?, April 4, 2002; "Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?", Dr. Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.)

Banning firearms does not solve anything.

Now, if you want to talk about laws prohibiting an 8 year old from being allowed to fire a select-fire weapon, then I'm right there with you.

ZV

This post is a winner!

I would like to note that 'guns' are not 'banned' in the UK. You are allowed to keep shotguns, rifles, antique or collectable weapons, and certain types of pistols. you are not allowed to carry semi-auto handguns on the street and damn right too.

See my post above about lines and where to draw them.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: hiromizu
MAYBE....JUUUUSTTT MAYBE....there's a better way to PREVENT accidents, like you know, sort of bring down the statistics as a whole...like they do in other socially progressive cultures. There could be like, laws in place that like, makes it impossible for even a good ol dad from handing their good ol son a good ol gun for like, good ol clean n fun shooting. I guess common sense isn't all that critical in these parts of the world. No sirree.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!

The only thing that banning guns has done in the UK and in Australia is increase gun crime. There are more crimes committed using guns in the UK and Australia now than there were before handguns were banned. (Citations: ?Weapons sell for just £50 as suspects and victims grow ever younger?, The Times, August 24, 2007; British Home Office, reported by BBC news, July 12, 2002; Australian Institute of Criminology, ?Report #46: Homicide in Australia, 2001-2002", April 2003; The Sydney Morning Herald, ?Costa targets armed robbers?, April 4, 2002; "Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?", Dr. Jeanine Baker and Dr. Samara McPhedran, British Journal of Criminology, November 2006.)

Banning firearms does not solve anything.

Now, if you want to talk about laws prohibiting an 8 year old from being allowed to fire a select-fire weapon, then I'm right there with you.

ZV

This post is a winner!

I would like to note that 'guns' are not 'banned' in the UK. You are allowed to keep shotguns, rifles, antique or collectable weapons, and certain types of pistols. you are not allowed to carry semi-auto handguns on the street and damn right too.

See my post above about lines and where to draw them.

What's more dangerous about a semi-auto handgun as opposed to revolver? Or one of those musket pistols?

 

[LordOverLord]

Very sad....I am pro Gun in every way...But this just shouldn't have happened...My heart goes out to the family and to the people who had to watch this happen...

Mike