Person accidentally shoots himself with Uzi

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's pretty stupid to let an 8-year-old handle anything more than a low-caliber semi-automatic. When I was 13 (first started shooting) I barely had the wrist/hand strength to keep a semi auto 9mm on target, let alone a full-auto uzi. The kickback of any high-caliber weapons would be pretty painful for a kid, too.

That's actually where I think the chain of stupid started.

The Uzi uses the standard 9mm Luger handgun cartridge. It is not a "high-caliber" weapon by any stretch. The dad probably figured that it was "just a 9mm" and wasn't bright enough to realise that there is a lot more kick from a full-auto than from a single shot.

ZV

I don't know, I've shot Uzi's full-auto many times and I don't think it has more kick than shooting it single shot. The ability to lose control from multiple recoils is definitely there, but the kick of each shot actually feels a little weaker for some reason.

You're right, I chose my wording poorly. I meant that the rapid combination of several shots is "a lot more kick", not that the individual kicks are harder.

ZV

Right. This story is a little hard for me to understand though. Every Uzi I've shot has a safety on the pistol grip that has to be squeezed to fired, and it's not too easy to squeeze, it takes effort. This prevents accidents like this. If your hand slips off the grip the gun wont fire. I don't see how it's possible to squeeze the grip safety and fire at someone's own head at the same time. i guess it's possible there is an uzi model that didnt have it, or they modified it which adds an entirely new level of stupid.

I am willing to bet it's modified.

 

[bdude]

http://link.brightcove.com/ser...007415/bctid1881617652

Video of the dad in question.

 

[Packie]

This is horrible, can't believe they let an 8 year old shoot an Uzi. When I was that age I was only allowed to shoot water guns.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Atheus
Even if our gun crime here increased tenfold it would be NOWHERE NEAR your levels. Why do you think this is?

Different cultures.

There are no two cultures so similar as the Brits and the Americans - you essentially are us, and so are the Australians and the Canadians.

The Swiss have firearms everywhere, but significantly less firearm crime than the US.

All Swiss undergo military training which teaches discipline and gun safety.

The US homicide crime rate excluding firearms is 3 times higher than Japan's overall homicide rate. Even if all firearm homicides in the US ended, we would still have 3x the homicide rate when compared to Japan.

Instead of what? 100x greater?

It's not valid to compare raw rates between cultures. Besides, the overall violent crime rate (excluding homicide) is higher in the UK than it is in the US. You are more likely to be raped or mugged or burglarized in the UK than you are in the US. In fact, you are six times more likely to be mugged in London than in New York City. (Source: BBC)

True but irrelevant to the gun thing.

However, the trends have been the same across cultures: Prevent responsible people from accessing firearms and overall firearms crime will climb.

Responsible people eh? So you advocate a gun licence test, perhaps including a psychological evaluation?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Atheus
Plus you didn't anwer why you think so many people get shot in the US.

I think a lot of factors contribute to that. You have to consider the historical racial tensions in this country, and where that has left the majority of black people (poor and living in inner cities). You have to consider our ineffective drug prohibition, and the resulting illegal drug trade. You have to consider our relatively small amount of spending on assistance to the poor. You also have to consider that without guns, a lot of those gun deaths would be knife deaths (the intentional ones that is). Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done. Comparing statistics from one country to another is problematic, because how do you control for all of the cultural factors?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What in the blue fuck was the father thinking??? I know, I'll let an 8 year old handle a machine gun, his balls haven't even dropped yet, but I'm sure he can handle an uzi. I feel sorry for the child and I hope charges are levelled against anyone related to that 8 year old shooting that stupid gun. You reap what you sow motherfuckers, you reap what you sow...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him. Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

 

[hiromizu]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

Or does he drop the weapon out of fear into the hands of the aggressor and cause a massive shooting which could've been prevented if he didn't carry the gun in the first place?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
A boy dies and the anti-gun idiots are out in full force. Sick.

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
this thread is such a good troll opportunity that i'm licking my chops

fixed

You're a fucking piece, he's not trolling, he's right.

 

[JulesMaximus]

That's fucking horrible. Man, I can't imagine the grief that the family is going through right now...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

 

[amddude]

Originally posted by: hiromizu

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

Or does he drop the weapon out of fear into the hands of the aggressor and cause a massive shooting which could've been prevented if he didn't carry the gun in the first place?

Armed society = polite society

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: LS8

Originally posted by: sdifox
wait, the uzi was on rock and roll??? thought that was outlawed sometime ago?

Class 3 firearms (full automatic and silenced) are perfectly legal in the USA if you meet the ownership requirements and have the correct tax stamps.

Ownership is one thing, allowing someone who doesn't have those papers fire it is another no?

I'm pretty sure as long as you have permission from the owner (and not a felon I assume), you can fire one.

Does that make the gun owner liable? I would think that is the case.

I wouldn't think so. If someone borrows your bicycle and gets killed, are you liable?

You don't think this is a bit different?

Not really. Property is property.

Guns exist to kill people.
Bikes do not.

read that how you want to, but you can imagine how liability of the owner would be a bit different. i.e., more responsibility on the owner's hand for insuring that the person borrowing their gun is properly EXPERIENCED to use it. ....not such an issue with a bicycle.

and why you don't need a license to fire one is beyond me...

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

That would be a cowardly act. Is your face so precious you can't stand it getting a little bloody?

/edited

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

^ coward

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

You are a coward.

and if he's stupid enough to try to fight an armed man, he'd be a dead man. Or at least cripple.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

<guns make me feel like a big man>

Well I think we have our answer as to why so many peolple get shot in the US!

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

You are a coward.

and if he's stupid enough to try to fight an armed man, he'd be a dead man. Or at least cripple.

you're missing the point. your gun is concealed. he raises his fist on a SEEMINGLY unarmed man: you. you decide to draw a gun because you're a coward.

get it?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Grieving father says he gave son, 8, permission to fire Uzi

The link includes a video interview with the dad.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

<guns make me feel like a free man>

Well I think we have our answer as to why so many peolple get shot in the US!

Fixed.

Believe it or not, most of us aren't in middle school and get in fights at the flag pole about who looked at who's girlfriend wrong.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It's pretty stupid to let an 8-year-old handle anything more than a low-caliber semi-automatic. When I was 13 (first started shooting) I barely had the wrist/hand strength to keep a semi auto 9mm on target, let alone a full-auto uzi. The kickback of any high-caliber weapons would be pretty painful for a kid, too.

Uzi's don't have that much kick, come on. My moms ex took me shooting in the hills when I was 10 and I fired his fully auto Uzi without much hassle. Well, I couldn't actually cock the fucker because it required more force than I had strength lol, but after he got it ready for me I shot the shit out of old TV set. I remember there being some kick, but I would say I had a much harder time shooting his .45. Maybe I'm just remember the amount of kick it had wrong, but I do know I fired off about 4 full clips and didn't have any problems.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nkgreen

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: mugs
Guns don't make people kill other people, they're just a tool that get the job done.

In many cases that's true - if you set out to kill someone you're gonna do it regardless of weapon, but what about this situation:

A young man, possibly not the bravest or smartest young man, is in a threatening situation. He is carrying a firearm. Someone comes over and insults him and tries to pick a fight. Does this man fight with his fists and possibly go home with a broken nose? Or does he fire that weapon out of fear?

If he has reason to believe that his life is in danger, he has every right to shoot him.

The guy has raised his fists. You would you shoot him?

There is such a thing as a fair fist fight. Or at least there used to be.

Also, who's going to try to pick a fist fight with someone who has a gun?

I assume the gun is concealed for the sake of arguement. Personally if I see a gun at a party I just leave.

I wouldn't get in a fight over some tool insulting me to begin with. But if he resorted to violence I would draw. If he wished to escalate the situation I'd go from there.

You are a coward.

and if he's stupid enough to try to fight an armed man, he'd be a dead man. Or at least cripple.

you're missing the point. your gun is concealed. he raises his fist on a SEEMINGLY unarmed man: you. you decide to draw a gun because you're a coward.

get it?

why the fuck would I fight some random guy? i'd tell to go fuck his self and leave.

if i'm walking down the straight and some crazy guy tries to mug me, then hell yes i'd draw.

 

[edro]

I think the kid was too young to be firing a fully automatic handheld weapon.

How many times have we seen videos of adults firing weapons, when the firearm flies out of their hands.

This has nothing to do with guns, and everything to do with the parents.