Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Well, this made me laugh After these years of pakistani state sponsored terrorism, the chickens have come home to roost
As you sow, so shall you reap - have fun
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
ISLAMABAD, June 25: A high-level meeting on Wednesday took stock of the deteriorating security situation in the North West Frontier Province and progress in the ?war on terror?, declaring that the Chief of the Army Staff would be ?the principal for application of military effort? in this regard.
An official announcement said that ?although the Frontier Corps, NWFP, and the law enforcement agencies would be the instruments of the governor and the chief minister in their respective jurisdictions for law and order, they would fall under his (COAS?s) command for military operations?.
The participants resolved that Pakistan would not allow its territory to be used against other countries, especially Afghanistan, and under no circumstances would foreign troops be allowed to operate inside Pakistan.
The meeting was chaired by Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani.
Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Director-General Maj-Gen Nadeem Taj attended the meeting.
The Governor of NWFP, Owais Ahmed Ghani, Chief Minister Amir Haider Khan Hoti, Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Environment Minister Hameedullah Jan Afridi, Minister for States and Frontier Regions Najamuddin Khan, Prime Minister?s National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani and Adviser on Interior Affairs Rehman Malik were also present.
The participants were unanimous in concluding that ?terrorism and extremism are the gravest challenge to Pakistan?s national security?.
They decided to meet the challenge by ?political engagement of the people through their elected representatives, tribal elders and local influentials?.
In addition to the political process, the participants agreed that ?large-scale development, economic empowerment and selective use of military force will be the other prongs of the strategy?.
However, the army chief will have the authority ?to decide on the quantum, composition and positioning of military efforts?.
The meeting took place in the backdrop of reports of a gradual loss of territory to the Taliban, kidnapping of Christians from the biggest teaching hospital in Peshawar and speculations that declaration of a state of red alert in Peshawar was on the cards.
It was decided that a broad objective of the strategy would be to bring about peace, reconciliation and normality and marginalise hardcore terrorists, militants and criminal elements so that the country?s national interest reigned supreme.
The meeting decided to ensure that local tribal customs and traditions were respected by all representatives of the government, including the military and law enforcement agencies, and that all foreign fighters were expelled from the country.
While the provincial governments would be responsible for their jurisdictions, the NWFP governor would be the chief coordinator for all activities in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and he would maintain liaison with the federal and provincial governments, important political leaders and the military commander concerned.
The governor, in consultation with the federal and provincial governments, would be responsible for planning, execution and coordination of a comprehensive development plan in Fata.
The governor would lead all reconciliatory efforts, making sure that any political agreement made with the tribes was based on mutual respect and trust.
The tribes have been entrusted with the expulsion of foreign fighters and they would be held accountable for the presence as well as actions of all such elements.
All agreements with the tribes in the region will be backed by a robust enforcement mechanism.
The tribes will also be responsible for stopping cross-border movement of militants from their areas.
The tribes have been told not to fight or target the Army, Frontier Crops and other law enforcement agencies in their areas. Use of force by the military would be justified if there was a breach of trust, they were told.
It was agreed that the principle of use of minimum force and avoiding collateral damage would be kept in focus and swift operations based on actionable intelligence would be launched to eliminate terrorists and stop hostile movement across the border for operations against western forces in Afghanistan.
A well trained modern army can not defend one of its own cities?
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Pakistan crawled into bed with the Taliban.
Now they are finally opening their eyes to see what they slept with.
The government needs to decide what they want to do, how do to it, and get it done.
Even if they have to ask for outside assistance.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
It's less of a crap-hole than most Indian states.
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
ISLAMABAD, June 25: A high-level meeting on Wednesday took stock of the deteriorating security situation in the North West Frontier Province and progress in the ?war on terror?, declaring that the Chief of the Army Staff would be ?the principal for application of military effort? in this regard.
An official announcement said that ?although the Frontier Corps, NWFP, and the law enforcement agencies would be the instruments of the governor and the chief minister in their respective jurisdictions for law and order, they would fall under his (COAS?s) command for military operations?.
The participants resolved that Pakistan would not allow its territory to be used against other countries, especially Afghanistan, and under no circumstances would foreign troops be allowed to operate inside Pakistan.
The meeting was chaired by Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani.
Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Director-General Maj-Gen Nadeem Taj attended the meeting.
The Governor of NWFP, Owais Ahmed Ghani, Chief Minister Amir Haider Khan Hoti, Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Environment Minister Hameedullah Jan Afridi, Minister for States and Frontier Regions Najamuddin Khan, Prime Minister?s National Security Adviser Mahmud Ali Durrani and Adviser on Interior Affairs Rehman Malik were also present.
The participants were unanimous in concluding that ?terrorism and extremism are the gravest challenge to Pakistan?s national security?.
They decided to meet the challenge by ?political engagement of the people through their elected representatives, tribal elders and local influentials?.
In addition to the political process, the participants agreed that ?large-scale development, economic empowerment and selective use of military force will be the other prongs of the strategy?.
However, the army chief will have the authority ?to decide on the quantum, composition and positioning of military efforts?.
The meeting took place in the backdrop of reports of a gradual loss of territory to the Taliban, kidnapping of Christians from the biggest teaching hospital in Peshawar and speculations that declaration of a state of red alert in Peshawar was on the cards.
It was decided that a broad objective of the strategy would be to bring about peace, reconciliation and normality and marginalise hardcore terrorists, militants and criminal elements so that the country?s national interest reigned supreme.
The meeting decided to ensure that local tribal customs and traditions were respected by all representatives of the government, including the military and law enforcement agencies, and that all foreign fighters were expelled from the country.
While the provincial governments would be responsible for their jurisdictions, the NWFP governor would be the chief coordinator for all activities in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and he would maintain liaison with the federal and provincial governments, important political leaders and the military commander concerned.
The governor, in consultation with the federal and provincial governments, would be responsible for planning, execution and coordination of a comprehensive development plan in Fata.
The governor would lead all reconciliatory efforts, making sure that any political agreement made with the tribes was based on mutual respect and trust.
The tribes have been entrusted with the expulsion of foreign fighters and they would be held accountable for the presence as well as actions of all such elements.
All agreements with the tribes in the region will be backed by a robust enforcement mechanism.
The tribes will also be responsible for stopping cross-border movement of militants from their areas.
The tribes have been told not to fight or target the Army, Frontier Crops and other law enforcement agencies in their areas. Use of force by the military would be justified if there was a breach of trust, they were told.
It was agreed that the principle of use of minimum force and avoiding collateral damage would be kept in focus and swift operations based on actionable intelligence would be launched to eliminate terrorists and stop hostile movement across the border for operations against western forces in Afghanistan.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
It's less of a crap-hole than most Indian states.
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
It's less of a crap-hole than most Indian states.
Well, when Bangalore or Hyderabad have Taliban walking around their amry cant. areas in broad daylight, you may be able pull of that statement
until then, I shall continue to enjoy tour delicious e-tears
Seriously, did you really think that you could get away with decades of state sponsored terrorism without a domestic backdraft? It's come to the point where your own army is too scared to take them on ...
Your country is filled with barbarian zealots. You yourself have espoused Sharia. Why are you shocked?Originally posted by: The Green Bean
And now the new government is letting them do whatever the hell they want. I'm shocked and disgusted!
But how can this be real? A well trained modern army can not defend one of its own cities? Or are they just unwilling?
TGB
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
It's less of a crap-hole than most Indian states.
Well, when Bangalore or Hyderabad have Taliban walking around their amry cant. areas in broad daylight, you may be able pull of that statement
until then, I shall continue to enjoy tour delicious e-tears
Seriously, did you really think that you could get away with decades of state sponsored terrorism without a domestic backdraft? It's come to the point where your own army is too scared to take them on ...
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
You lack the comprehension skills to make sense of whatever I would post so I am not going to do it.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Your country is filled with barbarian zealots. You yourself have espoused Sharia. Why are you shocked?Originally posted by: The Green Bean
And now the new government is letting them do whatever the hell they want. I'm shocked and disgusted!
But how can this be real? A well trained modern army can not defend one of its own cities? Or are they just unwilling?
TGB
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Vonkhan
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistan will become fragmented for sure. Balochis will fight harder for independence. Sindh and Punjab have enough issues between themselves to ensure that they will not remain together once the other two seperate. Indpendent; they will be at constant war with each other over the water treaty. Joining the Indian federation would be an option; but I doubt that would come without bloodshed.
What makes you think that India would want any part of that craphole?
It's less of a crap-hole than most Indian states.
Well, when Bangalore or Hyderabad have Taliban walking around their amry cant. areas in broad daylight, you may be able pull of that statement
until then, I shall continue to enjoy tour delicious e-tears
Seriously, did you really think that you could get away with decades of state sponsored terrorism without a domestic backdraft? It's come to the point where your own army is too scared to take them on ...
India and Pakistan are both hellholes as far as I'm concerned, but right now at least India does not appear to be on the verge of getting overrun by religious zealots. Advantage, India
Pakistan launches anti-Taliban crackdown near Peshawar PESHAWAR, Pakistan, June 28 (Reuters) Security forces launched an offensive against Taliban fighters near the northwestern city of Peshawar on Saturday. The crackdown in Khyber tribal region followed a series of sorties by Taliban fighters into Peshawar to intimidate people into observing their interpretation of Islamic law. ?There has been no resistance, so far. No casualties, so far,? Malik Naveed Khan, the police chief of North West Frontier Province (NWFP) told Reuters. A security official said the operation was focused on Bara town, around 5 kilometres west of Peshawar, and a resident told Reuters that paramilitary troops had fired at least three mortar rounds into the surrounding hills. ?The Frontier Corps has destroyed eight bases of the miscreants in Bara,? the official said, adding that he had no reports of casualties so far. In Peshawar, paramilitary soldiers set up bunkers in Hayatabad, a neighbourhood close to Khyber, and patrolled the streets in vehicles mounted with machine guns. Roads in and out of nearby Bara were closed, and a curfew ordered. A resident told Reuters the explosions of mortar shells echoed in the hills around. (First Posted @ 14:10 PST Updated @ 17:36 PST)
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I had seen reports of this on the Yahoo news. While initial success seems positive, I still have to wonder if a purely military response by the Pakistani army will be a long terms answer. Being a Pakistani army on home turf has an enormous advantage over a foreign army imported from elsewhere in terms of hearts and minds credibility with the local populace, but blunting the allure of the Taliban may take more facets than merely military.
You're fucking smoking crack. Our ROE is already too restrictive.Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Having said that; the NATO forces on the other side are messing everything up. They are using aggression and disproportional force. You can drop bombs on "suspected terrorists" that end up killing civilians and expect their family to welcome your troops with flowers! NATO has got their rules of engagement totally wrong. You might think that dropping bombs might save USA lives; but believe me in the long term it will kill a lot more and not to mention the innocent lives lost there. I think NATO should stop using air support maybe then they can have the civilians support them. I'm guessing that most of the current Taliban fighters have joined the cause because they have lost a member of their family and have the urge for revenge; the same urge you felt when 3000 of yours died.
Originally posted by: palehorse
You're fucking smoking crack. Our ROE is already too restrictive.Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Having said that; the NATO forces on the other side are messing everything up. They are using aggression and disproportional force. You can drop bombs on "suspected terrorists" that end up killing civilians and expect their family to welcome your troops with flowers! NATO has got their rules of engagement totally wrong. You might think that dropping bombs might save USA lives; but believe me in the long term it will kill a lot more and not to mention the innocent lives lost there. I think NATO should stop using air support maybe then they can have the civilians support them. I'm guessing that most of the current Taliban fighters have joined the cause because they have lost a member of their family and have the urge for revenge; the same urge you felt when 3000 of yours died.
Fighting with one arm tied behind your back will always lead to neverending wars like the one we've been made to fight against Pakistan's taliban...
Originally posted by: tvarad
Green Bean,
You should stop smoking the stuff the Taliban are sending to you. Carrots and sticks don't work with extremists. You either wipe them out or they'll wipe you out. I think the civilian Govt. is finally doing the thing that the self-serving generals were reluctant to do, which is to take them on.
The Pakistani Govt. should drive these guys to the border and have the Nato/Afghan forces use them for target practice. That's the best solution for the Afghanistan, the West and Pakistan.