Pet peeves with OS X

jagec

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My parents got a mini, and as the designated computer person it's my job to explain why things don't work, or don't work the way they would like. Unfortunately, I don't know macs all that well. Here's a list of gripes I've been having with the OS. Are there ways around these problems that I just don't know about?

You can't--ever--see hidden files. What if you really, really need to? Tough. Find won't search for them, and there's no view option to see them.

Burning a CD? It automatically closes the disk...even if you're only burning 10MB or so. You CAN go through the long, complicated process of making a new disk image in Disk Utility, burning that, and then making another one and burning that...hardly as convenient as the Windows way, and much slower...AND, when you mount a CD burned in this manner, it spawns all sorts of random folders all throughout your computer, that remain after you eject the CD and until you click on them, AND it creates undeletable aliases under Macintosh HD with the names of your disk images. What's wrong with just having ONE CD icon, which you can open to view all the files, whose sessions are transparent to you (you're just adding more files)?
Finally, multisession disks burned under Disk Utility are unreadable in Windows. Did they really think that no one uses multisession CDs? Was this OS designed ten years ago?

Playing a movie? Want to full-screen it? You gotta pay. Wait, didn't I already pay extra for the "convenience" of a Mac? And it won't even do half of what WinXP will, right out of the box?

Let's say you have a memory stick with some stuff on it you want to delete, and a trash bin with some stuff on it you don't want to delete YET. You can move stuff from the memory stick to the trash...but you haven't actually freed any space until you empty the trash. So, you have to create a folder on the desktop, move everything in the trash out, delete the stuff on the memory stick and empty the trash, and move everything back in.

A number of times I've tried to connect to another computer via IP. Say, a PC. I can ping it, it can ping me. But the instant I click "connect to server" I get the "server is not responding" dialog. Even though there's no way it had enough time to do a real check. Other times, for no apparent reason, it actually DOES try to connect, and gives me the 120-second timeout countdown. Then other times it works fine. Sometimes I just have to leave it a few minutes. Sometimes I have to restart. Sometimes nothing works. It seems to me that if you can PING the other machine, and there is a shared folder on it with the right permissions set, you should be able to connect.

Those CD drives, with no buttons and no pinholes, sure are sexy looking, right? What if there's a CD stuck in there, and I want to get it out without booting up the computer? Tough. No pinhole for you. What if I have power, but no keyboard? Nope, you can't just boot it up and hold down the button until it ejects, like on a PC. Even if you have power and a keyboard, you have to remember some very odd key combinations to get it to eject if your OS is corrupt. Heaven help you if the BIOS ever gets corrupted...you'll never see your CD again unless you dismantle the drive or plug it into a sensible PC.

I don't know if this is a Mac issue or just bad luck, but for some reason text files appear different going from Mac->PC, even when they work perfectly the other way around...also, the basic text editor in OS X ONLY saves in rtf format. Not .txt. Why not? What if I want to edit raw html in a Notepad-style setting?

This could be the Unix underpinnings, this COULD be considered a sensible security feature, but you can't drag a file directly onto the Mac HD without inputting your administrator password. Great for computers on a domain or with sensitive information that need the security measures...not so nice for someone who isn't even on the internet and just wants to put files where they always have before.

Minor complaint: the left Locations bar sometimes shows up when you open a folder, and sometimes not.

I think the CD burning issue is my biggest complaint. Do I have to buy a third-party program to let them actually burn multisession CDs they can use?
 

Nothinman

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Finally, multisession disks burned under Disk Utility are unreadable in Windows. Did they really think that no one uses multisession CDs? Was this OS designed ten years ago?

CDs are cheap, who cares? I hate multisession discs.

Playing a movie? Want to full-screen it? You gotta pay. Wait, didn't I already pay extra for the "convenience" of a Mac? And it won't even do half of what WinXP will, right out of the box?

You only have to pay if you want to use QuickTime, there are other movie players for OS X.

Let's say you have a memory stick with some stuff on it you want to delete, and a trash bin with some stuff on it you don't want to delete YET.

Don't store stuff in the trash that you don't want to delete.

It seems to me that if you can PING the other machine, and there is a shared folder on it with the right permissions set, you should be able to connect.

It would seem that way, but Windows file sharing and browsing especially has always been flaky. I don't know exactly what tools Apple includes, but you might get a better error message out of smbclient.

Heaven help you if the BIOS ever gets corrupted...you'll never see your CD again unless you dismantle the drive or plug it into a sensible PC.

If your BIOS get corrupted you have much bigger things to worry about than whatever disc is in the drive.

I don't know if this is a Mac issue or just bad luck, but for some reason text files appear different going from Mac->PC, even when they work perfectly the other way around...also, the basic text editor in OS X ONLY saves in rtf format. Not .txt. Why not? What if I want to edit raw html in a Notepad-style setting?

Windows, OS X and Unix all use different line ending characters. Most likely the Mac is being smart and opening the Windows-style file properly but Windows doesn't open the Mac-style ones right.

This could be the Unix underpinnings, this COULD be considered a sensible security feature, but you can't drag a file directly onto the Mac HD without inputting your administrator password

You shouldn't be putting files anywhere but in your user's home directory.

 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Finally, multisession disks burned under Disk Utility are unreadable in Windows. Did they really think that no one uses multisession CDs? Was this OS designed ten years ago?

CDs are cheap, who cares? I hate multisession discs.


Let's say you have a memory stick with some stuff on it you want to delete, and a trash bin with some stuff on it you don't want to delete YET.

Don't store stuff in the trash that you don't want to delete.
CDs aren't THAT cheap in Ecuador, and there's NOTHING I hate more than finalized CDs with 5MB of text files on them. It's an amazing waste of space. Considering multisession disks are exactly the same as normal CDs as far as opening them in Windows, I don't know why mac has to be so stupid. Is there Nero for Mac, or some other program that actually offers decent CD burning capabilities?

As for the trash, yeah, tell it to my parents...:roll:
 

Nothinman

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I don't own a Mac, so I don't know what burning software is available.

As for the trash, yeah, tell it to my parents...

Empty it for them a few times and they'll stop. They don't store food they might eat later in the trash do they?
 

jagec

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I found a little freeware program that claims to do multisession. We shall see...have to wait until I get back home in a week or so to try it out.
 

mdchesne

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doesnt sound like pet peeves, more like a "why mac sucks" thread under a nicer name.

if you've never used a mac before... or any other OS besides for windows... guess what? of course there are going to be things you don't like. It's not going to be Windows X, the Mac version! It's going to be MAC OS X.* so get over the little things and start enjoying the good things

EDIT: oh, and everything you complained about in the OP can be fixed with thrid party software, various mac tricks, and some fielsharing software. you just have to know what to do. I'm actually amazed you're having problems with filesharing. it's liek the easiest thing on a mac. user error, not mac
 

omissible

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Get a copy of Roxo Toast to burn multisession disks. Finder CD burning is like XP's built in CD burninig; it sucks, but it's cheap.

There's a free script out there for fullscreen in QuickTime. Google it. Or use VLC, MPlayer, RealPlayer, or something else.

Windows file sharing on OS X is done using SAMBA, just like any other *nix. No, it doesn't always work. Windows shares are like that, even on Windows.

There's no BIOS to get corrupted, and there aren't many situations where CDs get stuck in powered-off Macs.

TextEdit can save to txt; there's a setting in the Preferences. Or choose "Save as..." Or use vim or gnu-emacs like a big boy. Or download one of the excellent free GUI text editors.

Administrators (sudoers) don't have to authenticate when copying files. Normal users do. It's not just for the CIA and FBI; permissions keep the nasties from auto-installing their way into Grandma's iMac.

The locations bar has a toggle in the title bar (the long capsule-shaped widget) and remembers its setting.
 

SLCentral

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In case the disk gets stuck, there are ways to get it out. The reason you don't see a little pin hole on the Mac Mini is because its a slot load drive. No slot load drive, as far as I know, has the pinhole, b/c it uses a different mechanism. What you do is stick a paperclip into the drive itself, and theres a latch I believe on the right side that you press to forcibly eject the disk.

I did this with my PowerBook, which uses a very similar drive to the Mac Mini.
 

MysticLlama

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All Pioneer Slot Load drives have a pinhole, pops the disc out just like a tray. Have used it lots of times.

Has been that way on a couple of CD drives I had as well as DVD, I think my current Plextor slot loader has one as well, but I'm not 100% certain of it.
 

kamper

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Originally posted by: omissible
Administrators (sudoers) don't have to authenticate when copying files. Normal users do. It's not just for the CIA and FBI; permissions keep the nasties from auto-installing their way into Grandma's iMac.
Sure they do. Anywhere you don't have write permissions requires a sudo (or the gui equivalent) and that requires a password. I'd be pretty concerned if I could just drop files anywhere outside my home folder without being challenged.

I dislike the emptying the whole trash at a time thing too. I like to leave smaller files just sitting in the trash because they don't really take up any room and who knows, someday maybe I will want them back. But the big stuff I delete for the sake of saving disk space I do want to have disappear right away. It would be so simple for them just to add the option to permanently delete from Finder (shift-delete works well elsewhere) and to delete single files from the Trash. I usually just end up going to the commandline for this.
 

omissible

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
There's no BIOS to get corrupted

Um, yes there is. How else would the machine get from power on to booting the OS?

Open Firmware. You could argue that OF is a kind of Basic Input Output System, but it's not a BIOS in the x86 sense of the word.

Sure they do. Anywhere you don't have write permissions requires a sudo (or the gui equivalent) and that requires a password.
"Anywhere you don't have write permissions" is a long way from "anywhere."

Admin users don't need to authenticate unless they're modifying directories belonging to the system, or to another user. That's a long way from "but you can't drag a file directly onto the Mac HD without inputting your administrator password." (original poster's words.)
 

Nothinman

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Open Firmware. You could argue that OF is a kind of Basic Input Output System, but it's not a BIOS in the x86 sense of the word.

But that's my point, it is a BIOS even if it doesn't follow the same runtime restrictions/specifications that the IBM compatible BIOSes do.
 

omissible

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
But that's my point, it is a BIOS even if it doesn't follow the same runtime restrictions/specifications that the IBM compatible BIOSes do.
The point is, it can't be flashed, and doesn't get corrupted the way a x86-PC BIOS could. Which is the important thing in the context of this thread.

Saying "Open Firmware is a kind of BIOS" is like saying "A USB port is a type of serial port." It's factually accurate, but generally useless and confusing.
 

kamper

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Originally posted by: omissible"Anywhere you don't have write permissions" is a long way from "anywhere."

Admin users don't need to authenticate unless they're modifying directories belonging to the system, or to another user. That's a long way from "but you can't drag a file directly onto the Mac HD without inputting your administrator password." (original poster's words.)
I was assuming "Anywhere you don't have write permissions" could reasonably be summed up as "anywhere not in /Users/username", which is the majority of the drive. However, after looking at it, it's a little scary how many things in / I have write access to through the admin group

What exactly does the op mean by "directly onto the Mac HD" anyway? Is that like trying to put files in / ?
 

Nothinman

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The point is, it can't be flashed, and doesn't get corrupted the way a x86-PC BIOS could. Which is the important thing in the context of this thread.

So you're saying there's absolutely no way to update OF on an Apple machine? That seems really stupid since every other vendor provides firmware updates. And the only way an x86 boxe's firmware could get corrupted is by a bad flash, the same way OF, OBP or SRM could get corrupted. But now most x86 motherboards have 2 chips so that if one gets corrupted the backup can takeover so that you can reflash the bad one, I don't know if Apple does this or not.

Saying "Open Firmware is a kind of BIOS" is like saying "A USB port is a type of serial port." It's factually accurate, but generally useless and confusing.

But from a certain perspective it's still accurate, it just happens that perspective is the one shared by most users.
 

Illusio

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the other poster was correct. For burning, use toast if you want a powerful burning app. The defualt one is cheap and free.

For full screen video, get Mplayer. Its free and awesome.

Mac OS X is based on Unix so there are other files working you can't see. To view your hidden files, open up the "terminal" application and type this in:
1. Type this into a new Terminal window:
defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool YES
2. Restart the Finder. (Logging out/in is an easy way to do this.)

a way to eject the cd without having a paperclip is to do this:
Restart the computer while holding down command-option-o-f, to enter the open firmware dialogue. At the command promp, enter "eject cd" without the quotes, and press return. The disk will pop out. Then type "mac-boot" without the quotes. Press return, and the computer will continue the startup.

As far as troubles connecting a mac to a PC, i think its abit unfair to blame that completly on the mac. I do it at home with no problems, but somehow i don't think windows is blame free in that department. Until MS and Apple become best buds, we'll have to deal with it.

Left location bars should show up unless you have closed them manually. If they are not there, there should be a little circle on the left bar that you can click and drag to open it back up.
 

hopejr

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Even easier way to eject a cd that's stuck. Hold down the mouse button when you boot the computer (as soon as it turns on).

OF is updated, via Software Update. Only Apple supplies it for macs.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
The point is, it can't be flashed, and doesn't get corrupted the way a x86-PC BIOS could. Which is the important thing in the context of this thread.

So you're saying there's absolutely no way to update OF on an Apple machine? That seems really stupid since every other vendor provides firmware updates. And the only way an x86 boxe's firmware could get corrupted is by a bad flash, the same way OF, OBP or SRM could get corrupted. But now most x86 motherboards have 2 chips so that if one gets corrupted the backup can takeover so that you can reflash the bad one, I don't know if Apple does this or not.

Yes, you can update the firmware. Yes, I believe it's possible to screw it up. No, I don't think they have two OF chips or whatever on the motherboard.
 

Oyeve

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You can see all the hidden files, if you know how to use the terminal and have an understanding of UNIX. You create or change a user to super admin via the CLI.
 

chcarnage

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You can make files visible with TinkerTool. However I'm not that comfortable with the thought that this utility is installed on a Mac whose user store important things in the trash...

I've found this for the full screen problem. Versiontracker is a good place too to search for VLC, MPlayer and others.
 

mosco

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Open Firmware updates are very rare. Open Firmware is generally hardware independent. You write code to work with an ata controller and it doesn't matter if its a sun machine or a mac, it will work. Many updates aren't necessary.

i don't usually have any problems connecting to windows share. smb://ip almost always works.

why would you ever need to see hidden files?
 

Nothinman

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x86 firmware updates are extremely rare too, most of the time people only apply them as a last resort to having odd problems even though they know it won't fix it. Yes if you write OF code in forth it'll work no matter what hardware is available, but you OF still has to support the hardware just like an x86 BIOS.
 

hopejr

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Anyone ever figure out how to maximize a window?

Yep, move it into the corner and drag the bottom right corner. But, OS X isn't Windows. There's absolutely no need to maximise windows in OS X.
 
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