Peta Video "Meet your Meat"

Vegetarians eating fish are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

If you have respect for life, then make it even across the board. Don't eat anything that casts a shadow.
Think thats unreasonable?
I think that being selective in which lives you take unreasonable and playing god.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Staley8
I believe notfred hit on it earlier, it is all about the money. People say, "oh this is horrible, the animals suffer so badly" and while this is true, it is that way b/c people demand low prices. Therefore the businesses do this to sell the food to you at a good cost to avoid you saying "oh this is horrible, my food costs so much and my family and I are suffering b/c we don't have money any more". So you choose. That being said I would pay more for my meat if I could be assured that the animals were treated more humanely. However many people (myself included) find it so much easier to go to Safeway or Albertson's and buy there rather than trying to find some farmers' market or health food store. So don't preach at me out of one side of your mouth and rip apart that medium rare rib-eye with the other side.

Exactly. Everyone wants something for nothing. But there is no something for nothing. Competition has driven food costs in the US down to the point where they are the lowest (as a percentage of average income) than they have ever been. How did this happen? Watch the video again.
And don't think this just applies to food. Want less expensive cars, you'll get more cheaply made cars, and so forth.
Repeat after me (all but RossMAN ): A good deal is nice but remember you get what you pay for.

edit: I thought I'd add that I don't expect my insight to change anything. The entire grocery industry is based on 2 things: cost and appearance. Because food buyers want food that looks good -- produce that squeezes just the way they think it ought to, is the color they think it should be, where an ear of corn's kernels are all perfectly aligned -- and most importantly, is cheap. Taste and actual quality have little to do with it. Study after study has been done over decades and all most people care about is cost and appearance. The entire "organic" food industry is in fact a niche market that has been created for that small minority that is actually willing to pay more for quality.

 

[Pliablemoose]

The frightening part is that Alec Baldwin believes this sh1t.

If he were to donate 50% of his personal wealth (that he'll never spend anyway) to the cause, I'd believe the tool.

When he talked about shocking animals to load them, all I could think of was, "You mfvcker, you've never been trampled by a pi$$ed cow have you?" I've loaded cattle & pigs & it's not easy@ all.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: OulOat
I don't get it, vegetarians still kill animals whenever they eat, so what is so bad about the video? And why stop at chickens?!?! Bugs can feel pain too, but it's okay to slowly liquidify their organs with bug spray?!?!

How do vegetarians still kill animals when they eat? Don't even try to compare an insect to a goddamned chicken. You fvcking idiot.

 

[MournSanity]

This is why I am a vegetarian. That movie almost made me go vegan lol.

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: OulOat
I don't get it, vegetarians still kill animals whenever they eat, so what is so bad about the video? And why stop at chickens?!?! Bugs can feel pain too, but it's okay to slowly liquidify their organs with bug spray?!?!

How do vegetarians still kill animals when they eat? Don't even try to compare an insect to a goddamned chicken. You fvcking idiot.

Lol, I was bound to catch a hypocrite.

In your world, a farmer goes and relocates every mice, vole, rat, bird, rabbit, etc. before driving his harvesting combine over the field.

In your world, croplands coexist peacefully with natural habitats. In fact, farmers let happily the native wildlife munch away at their crops.

In your world, fertilizers don't kill.

In your world, food just magically appears at the grocery store. There is no such thing as pollution and waste from the processing plants, packaging plants, trucks, etc. because apparently those things don't exist.

Well, wakey wakey little retard, this isn't how the real world operates. You kill animals just by your existence. If you want to save little Porky, end yourself.

We need to be more like those Japanese; we need to make square cows, take up less space.

 

[AzNmAnJLH]

omg.... this is sick

 

[Freejack2]

Originally posted by: Spoooon

Originally posted by: Freejack2
Makes me want to join PETA. People Eating Tasty Animals that is.

All kidding aside I don't think going vegetarian is exactly the answer. Supporting farmers who raise the animals in a caring environment is a better idea. The natural food stores will sell foods like that.

I agree. Animals have meat and are meant to be eaten.

But that doesn't mean that they need to live crappy lives up to the time that they get slaughtered. Nor do they need to be slaughtered in a cruel fashion.

They don't, organic meat is from animals who weren't treated cruely.
http://www.diamondorganics.com/meat.html
I just googled organic meat and that's the first US seller it came up with. I know I can order this sort of thing from the local health food stores.
This is what we ideally should be eating. It's a lot better than the crap we find at McDonalds. Also from the times I've had it, it's some of the best tasting meats I've had.

Also another good source of meat that isn't a fortune is the small family farms. My in-laws have a farm and the pigs there have room to move around, they are fed well, they only get antibiotics when they are sick, heck my father in-law will try to revive the baby pigs if they get crushed. A lot of small family farms are like this.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: OulOat
I don't get it, vegetarians still kill animals whenever they eat, so what is so bad about the video? And why stop at chickens?!?! Bugs can feel pain too, but it's okay to slowly liquidify their organs with bug spray?!?!

How do vegetarians still kill animals when they eat? Don't even try to compare an insect to a goddamned chicken. You fvcking idiot.

Lol, I was bound to catch a hypocrite.

In your world, a farmer goes and relocates every mice, vole, rat, bird, rabbit, etc. before driving his harvesting combine over the field.

In your world, croplands coexist peacefully with natural habitats. In fact, farmers let happily the native wildlife munch away at their crops.

In your world, fertilizers don't kill.

In your world, food just magically appears at the grocery store. There is no such thing as pollution and waste from the processing plants, packaging plants, trucks, etc. because apparently those things don't exist.

Well, wakey wakey little retard, this isn't how the real world operates. You kill animals just by your existence. If you want to save little Porky, end yourself.

We need to be more like those Japanese; we need to make square cows, take up less space.

to quote "wakey wakey little retard" , you can't say every mice. mice is plural. you should say every mouse. Can the superiority complex

 

[azncoffeeboi]

man that video was... =-/

i still love my meat though.

 

[Sid59]

watch it more than once. you become desenticized (sp?)

 

[Ferocious]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Vegetarians eating fish are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

If you have respect for life, then make it even across the board. Don't eat anything that casts a shadow.
Think thats unreasonable?
I think that being selective in which lives you take unreasonable and playing god.

ummm.... Vegetarians by definition do not eat meat, FISH, or poultry.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: OulOat

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: OulOat
I don't get it, vegetarians still kill animals whenever they eat, so what is so bad about the video? And why stop at chickens?!?! Bugs can feel pain too, but it's okay to slowly liquidify their organs with bug spray?!?!

How do vegetarians still kill animals when they eat? Don't even try to compare an insect to a goddamned chicken. You fvcking idiot.

Lol, I was bound to catch a hypocrite.

In your world, a farmer goes and relocates every mice, vole, rat, bird, rabbit, etc. before driving his harvesting combine over the field.

In your world, croplands coexist peacefully with natural habitats. In fact, farmers let happily the native wildlife munch away at their crops.

In your world, fertilizers don't kill.

In your world, food just magically appears at the grocery store. There is no such thing as pollution and waste from the processing plants, packaging plants, trucks, etc. because apparently those things don't exist.

Well, wakey wakey little retard, this isn't how the real world operates. You kill animals just by your existence. If you want to save little Porky, end yourself.

We need to be more like those Japanese; we need to make square cows, take up less space.

Wow you're pathetic. You're saying I am indirectly causing all of the sh!t in the videos to happen when I eat rice? I think not, you dipsh!t. Do you thnk the big farms even have TIME or the money to worry about relocating mice or rabbits and the such. Of course not, they don't go out and try to kill them all either.

I am not the one living in a dreamworld. I don't need the reality check, you do. When did I ever say that croplands coexist peacefully with nature. Do you know how much waste a cow makes a day? How much enery is required for one pound of meat compared to one pound of wheat. Tell me then which one has a more adverse effect on nature. I dont kill pigs by eating rice you fvcking idiot. And you HAVE to be a fcking child to ever say "wakey wakey little retard", STOP POSTING and KILL YOURSELF.

 

[alkemyst]

No actually what he is saying is your vegetarian lifestyle he is accepting however, if you think that video was bad, you should see what rat poision really does to a rodent, then cry the inhumanity. Or how about a snare trap in which the animal starves to death or get ravaged by ants until dead.

Just because as a vegetarian you do not kill animals for food, does not mean the farmer, packager, trucking company, airlines, grocery store don't along the way.

All they would need then is some psycho-veggie maniac getting crazy about all the furry creatures running around and 'sharing' their vegetables. Another case of 'well it is ok to kill animals, as long as I don't eat them'

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Sid59
watch it more than once. you become desenticized (sp?)

rofl .

This video is just capitalism at its finest. Whatever a company / person can do for a dollar and get away with, they will. Farmers are getting away with this. They will most likely continue getting away with it.

 

[308nato]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Sid59
watch it more than once. you become desenticized (sp?)

rofl .

This video is just capitalism at its finest. Whatever a company / person can do for a dollar and get away with, they will. Farmers are getting away with this. They will most likely continue getting away with it.

What exactly are the farmers getting away with ?

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: Alchemist99
That was so brutal i couldn't watch the whole thing, not sure how to stop eating meat though.
surely most animals aren't treated this poorly this must be somewhat sensationalized?

ack my stomach is rolling.

 

[SWScorch]

maybe that's why I like venison so much... my mother won't eat it, and she's near-PETA in mindset; you'd think she'd rather eat an animal killed quickly and cleanly, without being force fed sludge and living off natural food. But no, they're cute, and she can't eat cute animals.

 

[cliftonite]

The conditions shown in that video were probably the worst that they could find. My family in India owns one of those huge poultry farms shown in that video and it is no where nearly as cruel as what is shown. The cages that they are placed in do not allow them to turn to make it easier to collect the eggs (the egg always comes out in the same place and out of the cage into something that is attached to the cage). The cages were several feet above ground and below it was the drainage system (all the chicken sh!t falls in there). Not really sure how often they killed the chickens (selling the eggs is the primary goal, not the chickens) but I never saw anyone slam chickens on the ground or let them starve.

 

[iamme]

pretty gross.......but, it won't stop me from enjoying a perfectly seared, medium-cooked steak..........mmmmmmmmm *homer drool*

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Wow you're pathetic. You're saying I am indirectly causing all of the sh!t in the videos to happen when I eat rice? I think not, you dipsh!t. Do you thnk the big farms even have TIME or the money to worry about relocating mice or rabbits and the such. Of course not, they don't go out and try to kill them all either.

I am not the one living in a dreamworld. I don't need the reality check, you do. When did I ever say that croplands coexist peacefully with nature. Do you know how much waste a cow makes a day? How much enery is required for one pound of meat compared to one pound of wheat. Tell me then which one has a more adverse effect on nature. I dont kill pigs by eating rice you fvcking idiot. And you HAVE to be a fcking child to ever say "wakey wakey little retard", STOP POSTING and KILL YOURSELF.

Wow, you got issues...
And just off-hand, I'd say you began the childish name-calling when you called OulOat a "fvcking idiot." Which you have called him twice.
Oh yeah, and he's right. We all live at the expense of other creatures. Your vegetarianism just gives you a false sense of superiority which (when you distribute it to others) weakens your cause. You could have argued that vegetarianism has less impact than meat-eating (which would have been true), but to argue that it has none at all is plain foolishness.
Anyway, you're living in denial, Excelsior, but that's more than obvious from your hostile attitude and the way you told another living creature to "kill yourself." I don't think you can post here and try to claim the moral high ground on this subject after doing that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 308nato

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Sid59
watch it more than once. you become desenticized (sp?)

rofl .

This video is just capitalism at its finest. Whatever a company / person can do for a dollar and get away with, they will. Farmers are getting away with this. They will most likely continue getting away with it.

What exactly are the farmers getting away with ?

And if they did things in the perfectly humane manner that you think they should, skace, are you prepared to pay the higher price of food that would go along with it? $20 bucks a gallon of milk, $50 bucks a pound of beef? Think about it.
And you blame capitalism because you naively think that under some other economic system food would suddenly become magically free. That's not even a pipe dream, that's just the imagination of an immature mind. Nothing is free, nor ever will be. Human beings have to work for what they have, or we have nothing and we all die. Cost is the measure of labor over time.
It is unavoidable regardless of the economic system. But in capitalism, you and I, the buyers and sellers of the products we need and make, are in control. In your vaunted socialism (where you think things magically become "free"), the government is that buyer and seller, doling out to us as it sees fit and (like all middle-men) pocketing a fat cut along the way.

 

[BadNewsBears]

me>meat

Plain and simple.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: 308nato
What exactly are the farmers getting away with ?

And if they did things in the perfectly humane manner that you think they should, skace, are you prepared to pay the higher price of food that would go along with it? $20 bucks a gallon of milk, $50 bucks a pound of beef? Think about it.
And you blame capitalism because you naively think that under some other economic system food would suddenly become magically free. That's not even a pipe dream, that's just the imagination of an immature mind. Nothing is free, nor ever will be. Human beings have to work for what they have, or we have nothing and we all die. Cost is the measure of labor over time.
It is unavoidable regardless of the economic system. But in capitalism, you and I, the buyers and sellers of the products we need and make, are in control. In your vaunted socialism (where you think things magically become "free"), the government is that buyer and seller, doling out to us as it sees fit and (like all middle-men) pocketing a fat cut along the way.

Holy putting words in my mouth batman . Look, all I said was that anybody will do whatever they can to get a dollar (hence capitalism). As long as 95% of people don't mind or don't know what their food went through before it was... food, it will continue. This video is just an attempt to gross you out to the point that the next time you pick up a piece of chicken, your stomache will turn and you will put it back down. That is why I laughed at the desensitization comment.

Cliffnotes: I didn't blaim anyone. I eat meat. Desensitization comment is funny.

 

[alkemyst]

I have no problem with my food. I love animals, but I am realistic in the sense that I need/want to eat them too. I don't eat my pets the same way they know my other pets are family members too.

However that video != squeesy for me. It's supposed to look bad...that is the purpose so I take it that way.

I also used to do dissection with one eating hand and one cutting hand (on a cat that looked identical to mine one time)...but that's a whole separate issue.