Peter Strzok Fired? Not yet. Escorted from FBI Friday.

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zinfamous

No Lifer
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He wasn’t determined to stop him considering I’m not aware of any action he took to, you know, stop him.

He sent some inappropriate texts on his work phone. We all know of wouldn’t matter if it were about a mob boss he was investigating or whatever, it’s because republicans want to take him out for being anti-Trump.

Oh, so it's because he was too weak to do his job?

What a loser!
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The bummer is that it wasn't a convicted criminal and foreign collaborator. It really sucks to have to go through the whole evidence, prosecution, defense thing. Maybe someday we'll get past that and just be able to ruin people with an accusation. Oh wait...

You say that as you ignore the fact that the FBI already has reams of tapes regarding conversations of the publicly known criminals (Russian mafia) that lived in apartments in Trump tower, for decades plus.

Like somehow, for some reason, they weren't already onto Trump.

You say these things, without the basest sprinkling of common sense. It's not funny because it's just fucking sad, really. We know this shit. Everyone knows it. You just don't give a fuck.

You and your family pretty much hated everything about Trump, and people like Trump, up to and including ~6 years ago. Suddenly, he's the greatest thing. ...I guess because he isn't the black guy.

He is here to erase the awful presence of the black guy from your memory, right? Is that it? That must be it...there is no other rational reason that an educated, mature adult would support the raging lunacy of a 12 year-old in old-man skin, like we have with this Orange sack of shit. There isn't a single fucking reason.

Unless you truly are a moron. Are you a moron? Do you admit to that? It's a simple question.
 

interchange

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The problem is our system was never made to deal with partisanship at this level. Congress isn’t interested in investigating criminal activity by the president, they are interstated in preventing it.

A combination of expressing zealous admiration towards one person they investigated, and let off before interviewing, VS expressing raw seething hatred for the other subject under investigation. Both Presidential candidates and one of whom they vowed to stop. The former got off on the premise of ignorance of the law, though that has never an acceptable excuse for anyone else. For the latter they ended up using intel paid for by the other candidate, delivered from a foreign agent, and provided by the Kremlin.

The full bonafide facts of how the FBI handled the 2016 election are quite astonishing.

My comments about this really have nothing specifically to do with either the Hillary Clinton email investigation or the Russia counterintelligence probe. When the FBI is investigating a political figure, it is necessary to keep certain communications outside of the public space.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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You say that as you ignore the fact that the FBI already has reams of tapes regarding conversations of the publicly known criminals (Russian mafia) that lived in apartments in Trump tower, for decades plus.

Like somehow, for some reason, they weren't already onto Trump.

You say these things, without the basest sprinkling of common sense. It's not funny because it's just fucking sad, really. We know this shit. Everyone knows it. You just don't give a fuck.

You and your family pretty much hated everything about Trump, and people like Trump, up to and including ~6 years ago. Suddenly, he's the greatest thing. ...I guess because he isn't the black guy.

He is here to erase the awful presence of the black guy from your memory, right? Is that it? That must be it...there is no other rational reason that an educated, mature adult would support the raging lunacy of a 12 year-old in old-man skin, like we have with this Orange sack of shit. There isn't a single fucking reason.

Unless you truly are a moron. Are you a moron? Do you admit to that? It's a simple question.
You managed to work racism into that pretty quickly. Is that the the thinking now, anyone that doesn't fall into line is a raciest? Am I supposed to defend myself at this point or what?
You're living in a dream world where you pronounce judgment with facts pulled out of your ass and disagreement is racism. You want the sentence before the trial, popular opinion to be the judge, and innuendo as evidence. So let me ask you a question, what the fuck is wrong with you? What happened to your brain that makes you think blaring hate is justice?
 

dank69

Lifer
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A combination of expressing zealous admiration towards one person they investigated, and let off before interviewing, VS expressing raw seething hatred for the other subject under investigation. Both Presidential candidates and one of whom they vowed to stop. The former got off on the premise of ignorance of the law, though that has never an acceptable excuse for anyone else. For the latter they ended up using intel paid for by the other candidate, delivered from a foreign agent, and provided by the Kremlin.

The full bonafide facts of how the FBI handled the 2016 election are quite astonishing.
Zealous admiration? Which orifice did you pull that out of? From this link that you will never hear about from conservative media sources:

Across the months of texts, Strzok and Page dismiss nearly everyone in politics who comes to their attention. Strzok complains that former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson pushes “a wildly liberal interpretation of immigration responsibilities.” Page “hope Paul Ryan fails and crashes in a blaze of glory” and says former top counterterrorism official Richard Clarke “is an uninformed douche.” Strzok finds it “wildly offensive” that former Attorney General Eric Holder’s portrait is hung next to one of Elliot Richardson, who resigned in the Saturday Night Massacre. Later, when Holder speaks at the Democratic National Convention, he urges Page, “Oh God, Holder! Turn it off turn it off turn it off!!!!” Strzok tells Page, “i LOATHE Congress.” A month later, she says, “God i hate Congress. So utterly worthless.” Strzok replies, “Less than worthless. Contemptible.” They aren’t fans of Ted Cruz. The veteran political trickster Roger Stone “is horrible,” he says. At one point, the two fiercely debate Dreamers.

Among the few exceptions are Barack Obama and his family, and Joe Biden. During Michelle Obama’s DNC speech, Page writes, “God, she’s an incredibly impressive woman. The Obamas in general, really. While he has certainly made mistakes, I’m proud to have had him as my president.” She also says, “I really really like Joe Biden.” Strzok replies, “Was literally grabbing phone to say Joe’s doing great!” There is praise for the centrist conservative columnists David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan, too.

Strzok and Page especially detested Trump, who they call an “utter idiot” and complain about in many texts. “Trump is a disaster. l have no idea how destabilizing his Presidency would be,” Strzok says. But that doesn’t translate into much affection for Hillary Clinton. Strzok calls himself a “conservative Dem,” and grudgingly acknowledges in March 2016 that he’d vote for Clinton over Trump. (A colleague had him pegged as a John Kasich voter, he said.) But Strzok also says, "I’m worried about what happens if HRC is elected.” He complains that a fact-checker dismissed Bernie Sanders’s criticism of Clinton as too close to fossil-fuel lobbyists even though “everything Sanders said about Clinton is true … This is clear and utter bias by the media especially the NYTIMES, WAPO, and CNN who if you look at all of them have large donors for Clinton. The fact citing source they used is owed by a newspaper which publically endorsed Clinton.”
 
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fskimospy

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A combination of expressing zealous admiration towards one person they investigated, and let off before interviewing, VS expressing raw seething hatred for the other subject under investigation. Both Presidential candidates and one of whom they vowed to stop.

This is simply factually false. Strzok expressed no admiration for Clinton, in fact he was highly critical of her. Zealous admiration? That's just made-up nonsense.

The former got off on the premise of ignorance of the law, though that has never an acceptable excuse for anyone else.

This is false. Not knowing something is illegal is no defense, but lacking intent to commit the offense is among the most powerful defenses there are, nearly always leading to an acquittal. If you lack intent it's not a crime. (almost always)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

For the latter they ended up using intel paid for by the other candidate, delivered from a foreign agent, and provided by the Kremlin.

Using foreign sources is standard intelligence practice in literally every single country on the entire planet. There's nothing even remotely interesting about it.

I know you genuinely try to look at things objectively but everything you wrote here is just bonkers and totally wrong. I imagine you are exposed to a lot of right wing media and probably a lot of very conservative people (you live in AL, right?) but you have to remember that basically all conservative media and opinion these days is filled with lies. Not differences of opinion, straight out lies. It infects everyone and everything and even someone like you who is making a conscious effort to sift through it is still getting it.
 
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dyna

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Zealous admiration? Which orifice did you pull that out of? From this link that you will never hear about from conservative media sources:

Strzok and Page seemed to treat their jobs like Mystery Science Theater. They shared 50,000 texts in 2 years! How could they have been productive FBI agents? A lot of taxpayer money was wasted on their salaries.
 

UNCjigga

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A combination of expressing zealous admiration towards one person they investigated, and let off before interviewing, VS expressing raw seething hatred for the other subject under investigation. Both Presidential candidates and one of whom they vowed to stop. The former got off on the premise of ignorance of the law, though that has never an acceptable excuse for anyone else. For the latter they ended up using intel paid for by the other candidate, delivered from a foreign agent, and provided by the Kremlin.

The full bonafide facts of how the FBI handled the 2016 election are quite astonishing.
Strzok expressed "zealous admiration" for Hillary Clinton? Where was that in the IG report? IIRC, he and Page took digs at Bernie Sanders and Trump but that doesn't make them full on Clinton zealots. If anything, they took great care not to let either investigation leak. Words pale in comparison to actions, and they took no action to help Clinton or hurt Trump.
 

fskimospy

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Strzok and Page seemed to treat their jobs like Mystery Science Theater. They shared 50,000 texts in 2 years! How could they have been productive FBI agents? A lot of taxpayer money was wasted on their salaries.

That's about 35 per person per day. If you were having a 'conversation' through texts you could easily write more than 35 to someone in very little time at all. I bet you if you looked at two people dating (or even better, having an illicit affair where you couldn't meet more easily) you would find that level of texting to be pretty normal.
 

Jhhnn

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Strzok and Page seemed to treat their jobs like Mystery Science Theater. They shared 50,000 texts in 2 years! How could they have been productive FBI agents? A lot of taxpayer money was wasted on their salaries.

That can't be correct. IIRC, the IG examined 50K emails, not all of them between Strzok & Page. 50K emails would be ~35 each every day of the year for 2 years. It's conceivable they sent that many texts, but not between each other.

Embellishment is a key ingredient of right wing propaganda. Yours is duly noted.
 

Thebobo

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Strzok and Page seemed to treat their jobs like Mystery Science Theater. They shared 50,000 texts in 2 years! How could they have been productive FBI agents? A lot of taxpayer money was wasted on their salaries.

You asked how and then claim you know how because they wasted a lot of Taxpayer dollars. How do you know that? You have no proof your just making shit up ie fake news.
 

dyna

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You asked how and then claim you know how because they wasted a lot of Taxpayer dollars. How do you know that? You have no proof your just making shit up ie fake news.

I was incorrect about the timeframe, it was 50k texts within a 5 month span.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/justice-department-missing-texts/index.html

It is not clear how many texts the inspector general's office has recovered from the missing period. Sessions has said that outside of the five-month span, more than 50,000 texts that were exchanged between the two officials have been collected and scrutinized by the office.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...cipal-loyalty-is-to-the-bureau-itself/552686/

Across the months of texts, Strzok and Page dismiss nearly everyone in politics who comes to their attention. Strzok complains that former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson pushes “a wildly liberal interpretation of immigration responsibilities.” Page “hope Paul Ryan fails and crashes in a blaze of glory” and says former top counterterrorism official Richard Clarke “is an uninformed douche.” Strzok finds it “wildly offensive” that former Attorney General Eric Holder’s portrait is hung next to one of Elliot Richardson, who resigned in the Saturday Night Massacre. Later, when Holder speaks at the Democratic National Convention, he urges Page, “Oh God, Holder! Turn it off turn it off turn it off!!!!” Strzok tells Page, “i LOATHE Congress.” A month later, she says, “God i hate Congress. So utterly worthless.” Strzok replies, “Less than worthless. Contemptible.” They aren’t fans of Ted Cruz. The veteran political trickster Roger Stone “is horrible,” he says. At one point, the two fiercely debate Dreamers.


Among the few exceptions are Barack Obama and his family, and Joe Biden. During Michelle Obama’s DNC speech, Page writes, “God, she’s an incredibly impressive woman. The Obamas in general, really. While he has certainly made mistakes, I’m proud to have had him as my president.” She also says, “I really really like Joe Biden.” Strzok replies, “Was literally grabbing phone to say Joe’s doing great!” There is praise for the centrist conservative columnists David Brooks and Andrew Sullivan, too.
 

Sunburn74

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Is this the witch hunt trump has been referring to?

Seems like a partisan political sacrifice to me. At best this is an internal discipline, at best.

Strzok and Page seemed to treat their jobs like Mystery Science Theater. They shared 50,000 texts in 2 years! How could they have been productive FBI agents? A lot of taxpayer money was wasted on their salaries.
This isn't a lot of texts. First of all a lot of texts are confirmatory "yes, ok, thanks, got it, etc".
Also texting has progressively replaced simply picking up the phone and calling people. So you're saying they are wasting time texting but if you heard they spend some number of hours talking on the phone (pick whatever number you want) one would say they were wasting time talking on the phone.
The reality is they are agents in the same Dept and part of their job is communication.
 
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hal2kilo

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A combination of expressing zealous admiration towards one person they investigated, and let off before interviewing, VS expressing raw seething hatred for the other subject under investigation. Both Presidential candidates and one of whom they vowed to stop. The former got off on the premise of ignorance of the law, though that has never an acceptable excuse for anyone else. For the latter they ended up using intel paid for by the other candidate, delivered from a foreign agent, and provided by the Kremlin.

The full bonafide facts of how the FBI handled the 2016 election are quite astonishing.
Nice story bro. I see your sliding back to your usual diversions.
 

hal2kilo

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My comments about this really have nothing specifically to do with either the Hillary Clinton email investigation or the Russia counterintelligence probe. When the FBI is investigating a political figure, it is necessary to keep certain communications outside of the public space.
That's where the screw up is. Period.

Edited for clarity.
 
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fskimospy

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Is this the witch hunt trump has been referring to?

Seems like a partisan political sacrifice to me. At best this is an internal discipline, at best.

This isn't a lot of texts. First of all a lot of texts are confirmatory "yes, ok, thanks, got it, etc".
Also texting has progressively replaced simply picking up the phone and calling people. So you're saying they are wasting time texting but if you heard they spend some number of hours talking on the phone (pick whatever number you want) one would say they were wasting time talking on the phone.
The reality is they are agents in the same Dept and part of their job is communication.

Also I struggle why I should give a flying fuck if they didn’t like Trump. I doubt FBI agents like the mobsters they investigate either but if someone tried to use that as a criminal defense they would be laughed at.

If you can show me something they DID PROFESSIONALLY that was biased or unfair to Trump I’m very interested to hear that. If not, stop whining.

Obviously this is not directed at you.
 

dyna

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Also I struggle why I should give a flying fuck if they didn’t like Trump. I doubt FBI agents like the mobsters they investigate either but if someone tried to use that as a criminal defense they would be laughed at.

If you can show me something they DID PROFESSIONALLY that was biased or unfair to Trump I’m very interested to hear that. If not, stop whining.

Obviously this is not directed at you.

Your apparently fixated on Trump but they were flinging poo at everybody during their texts. They should know better to do that on company time/communication devices etc...
 

hal2kilo

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Also I struggle why I should give a flying fuck if they didn’t like Trump. I doubt FBI agents like the mobsters they investigate either but if someone tried to use that as a criminal defense they would be laughed at.

If you can show me something they DID PROFESSIONALLY that was biased or unfair to Trump I’m very interested to hear that. If not, stop whining.

Obviously this is not directed at you.
Shsh! Don't talk about the NYC FBI anti-Clinton bias.
 

fskimospy

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Your apparently fixated on Trump but they were flinging poo at everybody during their texts. They should know better to do that on company time/communication devices etc...

Yes, but you know as well as I do that Republicans aren't trying to make this a big deal because they care about FBI IT policy compliance. They want people to believe that FBI agents saying negative things about Trump somehow impugns their work which may implicate him. I don't care if they hated everyone, loved everyone, or anywhere in-between and neither should anyone else.
 

gamervivek

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These morons didn't even seem motivated by money or other favors, just the kind of fanboyism you'd see in the gpu section.
 

UNCjigga

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I've only read a few excerpts and seen a few clips, but my God, Republicans are chomping at the bit to make Strzok the enemy of the people. And to my eyes, at least, it is all backfiring horribly. This is a good man who'll not go down without a fight. It is downright shameful what they are doing...literally trying to pin him between revealing classified information or being held in contempt of Congress. He has instructions from the FBI that he is not to answer certain questions or risk threatening the investigation, but GOP don't care. Goodlatte, Gowdy, Sensenbrenner are all trying to fry him up so they can taint the Mueller investigation as fruit from the poisoned tree.
 
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