Petition: Nvidia should support VESA Adaptive-Sync / FreeSync

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Bacon1

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now that is sound advice.



this does not apply to a few of us. we simply keep absolute minimum dip above 60fps.

so. what is better. freesync, gsync, adptivesync. or are they all the same.

Adaptive Sync == Freesync in most cases, Adapative Sync is the Display Port standard, which is used with AMD as "FreeSync" (FreeSync can also do HDMI on upcoming monitors).

GSync requires the expensive gsync module to be installed and is Nvidia only.

Nvidia doesn't support Adaptive Sync because they know they'd lose all sales of GSync monitors if they did (since people wouldn't pay the premium).
 

jabroni619

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Yes and I don't have a clue what you're on about. Why should it not be possible to buy a 48-75hz monitor with freesync if you want to?
Why must we all adhere to the golden standards set by what Nvidia deems worthy of G-sync?

You can absolutely buy what you want to, but the fact of the matter is that your average gsync monitor is a higher end product than your average freesync monitor. It's hard to buy a "bad" gsync monitor. There are good ones and there are better ones. Freesync can't make that same claim. Do I think nVidia should support freesync? Absolutely, it's nice to have options and not be locked in to a particular monitor or GPU, but gsync is the superior tech.
 

caswow

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You can absolutely buy what you want to, but the fact of the matter is that your average gsync monitor is a higher end product than your average freesync monitor. It's hard to buy a "bad" gsync monitor. There are good ones and there are better ones. Freesync can't make that same claim. Do I think nVidia should support freesync? Absolutely, it's nice to have options and not be locked in to a particular monitor or GPU, but gsync is the superior tech.


i dont think so :thumbsup:
 

Leadbox

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You should know since you mentioned LFC.



Only shame is it requires the 2½x factor.

That's why people on a budget may very easily get bad experiences. Because they may get a monitor with low Freesync intervals and on top of that having a graphics card that isn't going to produce miracles on its own in terms of speed.

Works from 2x min to max ratio, 2.5x is the recommended ratio for the optimal experience.https://youtu.be/AXLXPiJpVGs?t=2342
 

DigDog

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totally agree, they should. i'd go as far as saying "good thing for AMD that they don't".
 

showb1z

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You can absolutely buy what you want to, but the fact of the matter is that your average gsync monitor is a higher end product than your average freesync monitor. It's hard to buy a "bad" gsync monitor. There are good ones and there are better ones. Freesync can't make that same claim. Do I think nVidia should support freesync? Absolutely, it's nice to have options and not be locked in to a particular monitor or GPU, but gsync is the superior tech.

You missed my whole point then. But hey, here it is for the third time:
The average g-sync is of higher quality because monitor manufacturers only put g-sync in high-end gaming branded displays because the cost of the g-sync module is so prohibitive whereas freesync is so cheap to implement it finds its way into all kinds of displays. High-end and not so high-end. This gives us more choices. Most sane people think choices are a good thing.
 

YBS1

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Since there seem to be a lot of people in here very invested in high quality Freesync monitors and with the new GPUs on the horizon, this seems like a good thread to ask this. What is considered to be the best Freesync monitor going in case I switch camps? At least 27 inch, 120Hz or better, 2560x1440 or better, TN or IPS is fine because while I can appreciate the better IQ of IPS I can also appreciate the faster response time of TN.

What I really want is a 34" curved 21:9 3440x1440 120+Hz 1-2ms panel, but compromises have to be made until that arrives. I have heard rumblings Samsung has a panel on the way that pretty much fits that description.
 

Headfoot

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No that's not at all what you were saying. You threw an insult at me belittling my technical knowledge, by saying ghosting could only be a low level display panel problem, and nothing to do with FreeSync.



My rebuttal clearly demonstrated that this was absolutely an issue with an early implementation at the FreeSync layer. And now you're backstroking.

You're 100% off the mark. Read my post again if you need to. FreeSync is NOT the cause of ghosting, period. One vendor's PARTICULAR IMPLEMENTATION of it, in relation to all the other parts of the monitor firmware, may be.

You're saying Toyota Camrys (class) cant brake because a very small few (instance) had braking issues. What is true for one does not mean it is true for all... Which is literally what I've said for 3 posts in a row now.

Bottom line: BenQ screwed up. Not VESA nor AMD in writing the AdaptiveSync/FreeSync spec.
 
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imaheadcase

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People on a budget can't even afford Gsync, and thus would have an even worse experience.

So what's your point?

People on a budget should not be buying expensive GPU and monitors to take advantage of it. So what's your point?
 

jabroni619

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You missed my whole point then. But hey, here it is for the third time:
The average g-sync is of higher quality because monitor manufacturers only put g-sync in high-end gaming branded displays because the cost of the g-sync module is so prohibitive whereas freesync is so cheap to implement it finds its way into all kinds of displays. High-end and not so high-end. This gives us more choices. Most sane people think choices are a good thing.

How did I miss the point when I said the same thing you did in my very first sentence? lol
 

xthetenth

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Having 100 monitors to choose from 90% of which are rubbish is not better then having 10 monitors to choose from all of which are good. Choice is only good if it's real choice between quality products - having a huge market of rubbish you have to sift through to find the real gold amongst the polished turds is not a good thing.

This is at the start of the thread but it's a massive fundamental error. Having 20 freesync monitors to choose from beats the heck out of having 0 Gsync because NV's solution is expensive out of proportion to its benefits and not everyone's blowing $600 on a monitor.
 

digitaldurandal

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You can absolutely buy what you want to, but the fact of the matter is that your average gsync monitor is a higher end product than your average freesync monitor. It's hard to buy a "bad" gsync monitor. There are good ones and there are better ones. Freesync can't make that same claim. Do I think nVidia should support freesync? Absolutely, it's nice to have options and not be locked in to a particular monitor or GPU, but gsync is the superior tech.

There are dozens of users on /r/ultrawidemasterrace returning predators, there are issues with the latest non-ultrawide predator that does 165hz having banding lines and other issues.

Asus recently released a message about issues with their monitors and their attempts to have better QA in regards to a Gsync monitor.

So, what exactly is your claim based on?

My supposition is that you like Nvidia and you associate their brand with quality. You created this belief of quality for these monitors in your head with no evidence, then you spouted it here as fact. Close?
 

Bacon1

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Since there seem to be a lot of people in here very invested in high quality Freesync monitors and with the new GPUs on the horizon, this seems like a good thread to ask this. What is considered to be the best Freesync monitor going in case I switch camps? At least 27 inch, 120Hz or better, 2560x1440 or better, TN or IPS is fine because while I can appreciate the better IQ of IPS I can also appreciate the faster response time of TN.

What I really want is a 34" curved 21:9 3440x1440 120+Hz 1-2ms panel, but compromises have to be made until that arrives. I have heard rumblings Samsung has a panel on the way that pretty much fits that description.

LG has a few 34" Curved 3440x1440 @ 75hz, at least one is already out and another coming out soon afaik. Go with the non-thunderbolt version to save a few hundred.

Acer XR341CK is an amazing buy as well. I just got mine in and am loving it so far, though I wish overwatch supported ultrawide :\. 30-75 range so supports LFC. IPS 3440x1440 and you can often find them refurbed from acerrecertified.com or ebay.
 

crisium

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Since there seem to be a lot of people in here very invested in high quality Freesync monitors and with the new GPUs on the horizon, this seems like a good thread to ask this. What is considered to be the best Freesync monitor going in case I switch camps? At least 27 inch, 120Hz or better, 2560x1440 or better, TN or IPS is fine because while I can appreciate the better IQ of IPS I can also appreciate the faster response time of TN.

What I really want is a 34" curved 21:9 3440x1440 120+Hz 1-2ms panel, but compromises have to be made until that arrives. I have heard rumblings Samsung has a panel on the way that pretty much fits that description.

I like the BenQ XL2730Z. Though after about 6.5 months it started to have problems so it is being RMA'd right now. As long as it comes back working I'll have no complaints. Well, my biggest complaint is the anti-glare coating is excessive. 1440p, 144Hz, and backlight strobing options for 120Hz or 144Hz. It is TN, but the angles are good for that technology.
 

digitaldurandal

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I like the BenQ XL2730Z. Though after about 6.5 months it started to have problems so it is being RMA'd right now. As long as it comes back working I'll have no complaints. Well, my biggest complaint is the anti-glare coating is excessive. 1440p, 144Hz, and backlight strobing options for 120Hz or 144Hz. It is TN, but the angles are good for that technology.

I also have the BenQ. Only have had it for a short time but loving it. Prefer TN vs IPS Glow any day. Would buy 3440x1440 ultrawide TN for sure. I do not care about inaccurate colors.
 

jabroni619

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There are dozens of users on /r/ultrawidemasterrace returning predators, there are issues with the latest non-ultrawide predator that does 165hz having banding lines and other issues.

Asus recently released a message about issues with their monitors and their attempts to have better QA in regards to a Gsync monitor.

So, what exactly is your claim based on?

My supposition is that you like Nvidia and you associate their brand with quality. You created this belief of quality for these monitors in your head with no evidence, then you spouted it here as fact. Close?

It's a based on reality. It's a lot easier to buy a lower end freesync monitor then a gsync one. I haven't seen any "cheap" gsync monitors, I can't say the same for freesync.

I can google and come up with instances where someone had an issue with a $2500 MacBook or high end PC laptop. I can also google and come up with an instance where someone had no problems with a $250 netbook. Are you trying to say that because these examples exist, that the $250 netbook is a higher quality product?
 

Phynaz

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You all got trolled by a new reg that hasn't been back. I'm guessing that it's a trouble makers alt.
 

railven

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You all got trolled by a new reg that hasn't been back. I'm guessing that it's a trouble makers alt.

Either there are a lot of dormant accounts that are only active during mud-flinging season, or a lot of the regulars got alt accounts to fling mud.

I don't even remember the Fury X/980 Ti releases being this bad on the forums. Probably because I was on the other side so part of the herd haha.
 
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Already have G-Sync monitors, don't care about Adaptive Sync. Unless AMD puts out an NVIDIA killer, then I will buy a FreeSync monitor to go with my AMD card.
 

SimianR

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This is actually a big reason why I'm hesitant to buy an NVIDIA card going forward to be honest. The 1070 sounds great, the 1080 is pretty solid, but I'm due for a monitor upgrade and the 1440p and 4K G-Sync monitors are damn pricey. There are some very affordable freesync monitors that would obviously pair well with Polaris GPU and that is hard to ignore. However, if NVIDIA offered support for Adaptive Sync, but still marketed Gsync as the "superior" solution, it would give their customers a bit more wiggle room when deciding which GPU to buy.
 
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xthetenth

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LG has a few 34" Curved 3440x1440 @ 75hz, at least one is already out and another coming out soon afaik. Go with the non-thunderbolt version to save a few hundred.

Acer XR341CK is an amazing buy as well. I just got mine in and am loving it so far, though I wish overwatch supported ultrawide :\. 30-75 range so supports LFC. IPS 3440x1440 and you can often find them refurbed from acerrecertified.com or ebay.

I got my XR341CK for $600. It kind of feels wrong. I gave my boss a screaming good deal on my old 34um95 and still wasn't out much cash.
 

railven

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Already have G-Sync monitors, don't care about Adaptive Sync. Unless AMD puts out an NVIDIA killer, then I will buy a FreeSync monitor to go with my AMD card.

Seems like I'll be a resident in the Nvidia Eco-System by Christmas.

I seriously want a new monitor, and it doesn't seem like NV has intentions to support Adaptive Sync anytime. Also doesn't seem like Vega will hit this year so, G-sync here I come.
 
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