Petition to remove Anita Sarkeesian from Mirror's Edge 2 development

[Atomic Playboy]

It's a fake article for ****s sake. How is a petition going to have someone removed that isn't even involved?

My petition to have GTA 6 removed from store shelves has apparently been working like gangbusters; I literally can't find it for sale anywhere.

 

[Patre]

She's officially changing her name to Ima Snarkeesian.

 

[blankslate]

~snip~

still crying about a satirical article?

....

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm no fan of Anita or her social justice friends, but this just seems childish to me.

Edit: I'll also like a credible source as to where she wanted simplified controls. I really don't like knee jerk reactions.

Yup, I didn't see anything on the petition (which is the obvious place to expect it), then when I saw the OP's posting of the YT clip where she talks about being/not a gamer and that's an OBVIOUS SIGN THAT SHE'S A TOTAL FRAUD, I was thinking that the bar for credible sources wasn't going to be set very high at any point soon.

Considering that to some groups of people I'd quite willingly identify as a gamer, yet to others (let's say groups of people who might say things like: if you don't spend x on your rig / have the most up-to-date console / play xyz / pre-order whatever / any number of other arbitrary and random opinions on what it takes to be a gamer), I'd probably be challenged on how much of a gamer I am, I'm struck by the utter pointlessness of judging someone like AS on a point like this.

 

[Subyman]

Anyone who self identifies as a "gamer" is probably a high schooler. Gamer is practically a parody label at this point. Doritos smeared fingers drilling a mountain dew down their gullet while dual boxing wow characters.

 

[Rakehellion]

So we have immoral idiots in this forum also.

You called me a bad name. That's immoral.

 

[mikeymikec]

Anyone who self identifies as a "gamer" is probably a high schooler. Gamer is practically a parody label at this point. Doritos smeared fingers drilling a mountain dew down their gullet while dual boxing wow characters.

I can think of quite a few gamer stereotypes. I'd personally define it as "if you have some spare time, you're likely to spend it playing computer games".

Unfortunately these days it might also carry a misogynistic association.

 

[Craig234]

You called me a bad name. That's immoral.

Not really. Hitler was a fascist and mass killer. OJ is a murderer. Bill O'Reilly is a liar. Etc.

Criticizing you for saying you want a woman who had been receiving death threats to be 'removed from the planet' is not immoral, you saying it is.

You're not the victim here.

 

[Grooveriding]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is something her and her crew manufactured themselves to keep her name relevant. Without internet drama around her she is an unknown figure. Her whole narrative and awareness of her are based around drumming up drama on the internet.

My bets are people were tired and losing interest in the gamergate/misogyny in gaming conspiracy she created surrounding her and they drummed up this nonsense to try and stay in the content of internet hit pieces and nonsense blogs.

 

[BoberFett]

Anyone who self identifies as a "gamer" is probably a high schooler. Gamer is practically a parody label at this point. Doritos smeared fingers drilling a mountain dew down their gullet while dual boxing wow characters.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say.

I'm a gamer.

I'm also a father.
And an IT manager of a rapidly growing health and human services company making a respectable six figure income.
I'm a motorcyclist.
I'm a traveler and I'm spending next week on Sanibel Island with my girlfriend.

So what are you? I'd guess that you're much closer to the Mt Dew swilling Dorito stained idiot than I am. You're a closed minded fool who believes labels have one and only one meaning. And you're probably far more misogynistic than most self labeled gamers.

 

[BoberFett]

I can think of quite a few gamer stereotypes. I'd personally define it as "if you have some spare time, you're likely to spend it playing computer games".

Unfortunately these days it might also carry a misogynistic association.

If gamer has any connotation other than someone who plays games, it's because of ignorant fools like you.

If gamer = misogynist then feminist = misandrist. Somehow feminists (and their white knight fools like you) don't seem to understand that you can't fight bigotry with bigotry.

 

[datalink7]

Anyone who self identifies as a "gamer" is probably a high schooler. Gamer is practically a parody label at this point. Doritos smeared fingers drilling a mountain dew down their gullet while dual boxing wow characters.

This is the old stereotype. There are a multitude of gamers out there who don't fit this mold.

For instance, I'm a gamer. I'm also a Captain in the US Army, I teach Philosophy at the US Military Academy at West Point, and I enjoy participating in Mixed Martial Arts.

 

[Red Hawk]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is something her and her crew manufactured themselves to keep her name relevant. Without internet drama around her she is an unknown figure. Her whole narrative and awareness of her are based around drumming up drama on the internet.

My bets are people were tired and losing interest in the gamergate/misogyny in gaming conspiracy she created surrounding her and they drummed up this nonsense to try and stay in the content of internet hit pieces and nonsense blogs.

You wouldn't be surprised if she was making something like this up? Why on Earth would she? People who claim things like Anita makes up the threats or harassment about her just show their own paranoia and bias against people they don't like.

Keep in mind that Anita had nothing to do with "Gamergate" when it started. She's been around for a couple years already talking about games. She got dragged into it because hey, it's a woman talking about misogyny and sexism in games that people seem to hate for some reason.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

still crying about a satirical article?
....

Are you still beating your wife?

Anyone who self identifies as a "gamer" is probably a high schooler.

I've identified as a gamer as core part (but not entirety) of my identity, for about 20 years now, the average age of gamers is over 30 years old, if you think self identified gamers are probably high school aged people then you really don't know what you're talking about.

This is the same kind of rhetoric that feminists push, they like to draw mental picture of the army of neckbearded misogynists who are some kind of stain on humanity, when in reality a lot of gamers are just regular people who often turn out to be really decent people.

How mad people are in this thread shows that we're hitting a nerve by fighting back against dishonest liars like Anita and is good encouragement to keep doing so.







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[cytg111]

Some of you may have heard the rumour that Anita Sarkeesian is consulting on Mirror's Edge 2 for EA, she's already suggested that women need a whole new set of simplified controls because its too hard for her to play.

Now there's a petition to have her removed from development, it already has over 30,000 signatures, if you want to have a voice on the matter I suggest you sign the petition and then pass the link to anyone else you think might want to sign it.

https://www.change.org/p/ea-games-remove-anita-sarkeesian-from-mirror-s-edge-2-game-development

Remember that Anita is a liar and a con artist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6a57MjmpoI

I dont see the problem. It is not per se a "girl" problem is it? By adding choice for easier controls they cover a bigger demographic == more money. (bigger demographic of any age gender whatever).

 

[Grooveriding]

You wouldn't be surprised if she was making something like this up? Why on Earth would she? People who claim things like Anita makes up the threats or harassment about her just show their own paranoia and bias against people they don't like.

Keep in mind that Anita had nothing to do with "Gamergate" when it started. She's been around for a couple years already talking about games. She got dragged into it because hey, it's a woman talking about misogyny and sexism in games that people seem to hate for some reason.

Nope, not surprised at all. She's made a career out of drama and a fictitious narrative tale about high order misogyny in gaming. The threats and this are apples and oranges.

If not for drumming up drama via social media no one would have a clue who she is. She has no credentials, no relevant experience. She's just a parrot cawing from the shoulder of a pile of inflammatory rhetoric.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

We do not allow those types of attacks in PC Gaming. P&N may allow that, but it is completely inappropriate in this forum.

Please refrain from attacking other posters in this manner; attack the argument, not the poster.

Thank you.

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KeithTalent

Ugh *rolleyes*

OK I guess I'll have to spell this out.

Asking someone if they're still beating their wife is a rhetorical device to point out that a logical fallacy has been used, it's the most common example of what is known as a loaded question or sometimes a complex question fallacy.

You can see that it's the exact word for word example that's used in the wikipedia article on this topic, here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

When he said "still crying about a satirical article?" the answer is a loaded question to which any yes or no answer implies that I was "crying" when in fact I was doing no such thing.

I find it amusing but slightly sad that personal attacks such as his are allowed, yet rebuttals of them pointing out the logical fallacy used in the language aren't allowed.

Sigh...

 

[taserbro]

This is the old stereotype. There are a multitude of gamers out there who don't fit this mold.

For instance, I'm a gamer. I'm also a Captain in the US Army, I teach Philosophy at the US Military Academy at West Point, and I enjoy participating in Mixed Martial Arts.

Thanks to you and BoberFett for sharing.
I identify as a gamer as well.

I'm an engineer, animator, kravmaga punching-bag and gun accessory nutjob. I've lived in 3 different continents for more than 6 years each and I've met some of my best friends in life through video games, a lot of them previously or currently in the US army and air force. These are people with whom I can't ever see myself even agreeing on a beer brand but I'd gladly take a bullet for.

I cringe when I see people obliviously defending these awful editors circling the wagon because the rest of the world has started to realize that they have made themselves comfortable parasiting off the very nerd culture that allows them to have a job and hope to get away with their crass contempt for criticism by deflecting with the most obvious specimen of red herring I've seen professionals ever blatantly use, 'misogyny.'

Video games are finally getting a tiny bit of respect as an art form and people at large are starting to realize that despite being one of the most flourishing and profitable medium this decade (surpassing motion pictures by a good margin), it's still the only field where outright frauds can get away by hiding behind the pretense of moral outrage and intellectual dishonesty. These people fear scrutiny and that's exactly why, even though I never really gave two shits about her before, taking a stand against people like Sarkeesian is important to me now.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Ehh, my fiancee likes Skyrim, but its too complicated for her to learn the controls.


Its not because shes woman, its because she simply hasnt been doing PC games her whole life, she likes Nintendo with its up down left right a b start and select.

Maybe they are trying to cater to more causal gamer types who get confused trying to remember keyboard mappings?

 

[Subyman]

I think you guys missed my point or I didn't make it clear enough. The label "gamer" is tainted at this point. It was requisitioned by dudes selling Halo Mountain Dew and tacos. Nothing wrong with being 30+ and playing games daily. Nothing at all. No judgement on my part, I'm not 30 quite yet but getting close and love games. I don't identify as a "gamer" because I don't identify with that goes with it these days. Its a tainted label.

Its like being called a trekkie. You may have watched all the Star Trek episodes and like the show, but immediately when you put the label of "Trekkie" on someone they are practically getting married in Captain Kirk's uniform or going on Trekkie cruises. Its a parody title. Although with "gamer", a lot of people have even dragged it through the mud.

You are a person that plays games, but probably not a modern "gamer." Hope that makes sense. Pretty much, there are a lot of associations that go with that title these days that you probably don't want to be attached to.

 

[Subyman]

Are you still beating your wife?



I've identified as a gamer as core part (but not entirety) of my identity, for about 20 years now, the average age of gamers is over 30 years old, if you think self identified gamers are probably high school aged people then you really don't know what you're talking about.

This is the same kind of rhetoric that feminists push, they like to draw mental picture of the army of neckbearded misogynists who are some kind of stain on humanity, when in reality a lot of gamers are just regular people who often turn out to be really decent people.

How mad people are in this thread shows that we're hitting a nerve by fighting back against dishonest liars like Anita and is good encouragement to keep doing so.

Then you probably aren't a "gamer." If you told someone you are then they'd get the wrong impression of you.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

When he said "still crying about a satirical article?" the answer is a loaded question to which any yes or no answer implies that I was "crying" when in fact I was doing no such thing.

I agree; it's completely unfair to paint you as doing something that you were never doing. Now tell us more about this petition to stop this woman from doing something that she was never doing...

 

[blankslate]

When he said "still crying about a satirical article?" the answer is a loaded question to which any yes or no answer implies that I was "crying" when in fact I was doing no such thing.

Fair enough "crying" could have been interpreted as weeping instead of

to call loudly; shout; yell (sometimes followed by out).

however, this still applies to your loud protestations about a satirical article.

 

[BoberFett]

I think you guys missed my point or I didn't make it clear enough. The label "gamer" is tainted at this point. It was requisitioned by dudes selling Halo Mountain Dew and tacos. Nothing wrong with being 30+ and playing games daily. Nothing at all. No judgement on my part, I'm not 30 quite yet but getting close and love games. I don't identify as a "gamer" because I don't identify with that goes with it these days. Its a tainted label.

Its like being called a trekkie. You may have watched all the Star Trek episodes and like the show, but immediately when you put the label of "Trekkie" on someone they are practically getting married in Captain Kirk's uniform or going on Trekkie cruises. Its a parody title. Although with "gamer", a lot of people have even dragged it through the mud.

You are a person that plays games, but probably not a modern "gamer." Hope that makes sense. Pretty much, there are a lot of associations that go with that title these days that you probably don't want to be attached to.

And as I pointed out then, if a subset of a group is able to co-opt a label, then the shrill man-haters of the world have taken over the word feminists. I'm all for equality. I think men and women should have the same opportunities and be paid the same for the same job. And nobody of any sex, race, or creed should have to worry about their personal safety just because some don't like their opinion. But if "gamers" are terrible people who now belong to this inescapable stereotype because a couple of trolls wrote mean things on Twitter then feminists are terrible people because of opportunists like Anita Sarkeesian and Leigh Alexander who only exist to profit off of the very social strife they themselves create.

 

[dguy6789]

This is not about games, this is about politics.

<- P&N is that way.