Petition to remove Anita Sarkeesian from Mirror's Edge 2 development

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TechBoyJK

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somebody sent me this **REMOVED** on reddit.

This might make you understand why I'm being sensitive about this. What I see here is people completely missing the point of how it is degrading to women, just taking things out of the blue to feel good about themselves. The trouble is the amount of sexualization of women. Men getting killed in the game are not degraded, they are just regular people who get killed. Women are degraded as they are just sex symbols. If you are ONLY a sex symbol, there is no way anyone will ever listen to what you have to say about something else than "would you like a blowjob?". That is very degrading and hurtful. I don't care if the hookers get killed or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47-FMmMLy0



the **REMOVED**?

This doesn't sell me on anything. This is nothing more than a few minutes of whiteknighting.




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DigDog

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Anita may have something to say about representation of female characters in games.
no she doesnt.

or not more than you do or i do. she can open her mouth and make sounds but she does not have any weight in her assertions.
 

SMOGZINN

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The thing is, you may call something distinctly misogynistic, and many do, but it's usually done without a clear justification or even explanation as to how it's actually misogyny. At best, it usually assumes a lot about intent and indirect influence.
I think it is hard to talk about misogyny because it is so deeply rooted in our society and history that it is hard to even see. I don't think that intent is needed, but I'll describe why in the next part.

The definition of misogyny is hatred of women
I think that definition is often not well understood. It is not hatred in the highly emotional sense like you would hate the man that murdered your lover. But more in the concept of actions that are hateful. That is either actions that are inspired by or inspire hate, while hate in this case means hostility or aversion deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury.


A lot of people will insist that it's obvious that someone is singled out for being a woman (and the same people will often deny that anyone is ever singled out for being a man), but I think their perception is colored by a worldview that sees misogyny everywhere, as a basic component of all social structures, and therefore the status quo.
I believe that you could say that one of the most basic tenets of the feminist philosophy is that most people, be they women or men, are unaware of just how much they discriminate against women. Can you deny this is true? There is a lot of good debate on just what is discriminatory, and what amount of discrimination can't be avoided due to physical limitations, but it is hard to argue that such discrimination is not ubiquitous.
 

SMOGZINN

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no she doesnt.

or not more than you do or i do. she can open her mouth and make sounds but she does not have any weight in her assertions.

Are you claiming that both you and Red Hawk have Masters degrees in the subject, or are you claiming that having a Masters does not make one have more weight in their assertions?
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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How is this statement relevant to the subject?

The issue was never how Faith was portrayed in the game - - it was about dumbing down gameplay mechanics. This leads me to believe you've never even played the game. There are no empty shells or female prizes.

I didn't forget about the game, and neither have a lot of other people who would like to see the IP go forward.

How is that relevant to the subject? All you have is a quote out of context and a satire article, but go on about how the integrity of your games have clearly been violated. No one talked about it here until this article *rolleyes* but you'll tell me now how much you cared.
 

PrincessFrosty

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The nonsense about the article is just a distraction.

The point is that she's not a gamer, she's a known liar and manipulator, she basis her arguments on ideology and not rational argument, she doesn't back up any of her assertions with evidence and she uses all the normal feminist rhetoric to get her own way.

Whether she complains about the controls or not is irrelevant, the issue is this is about the worse person you could be consulting with to build a game, a huge segment of the gamers who care about this game don't want her anywhere near that and they have a right to voice that opinion and ask she be removed from the development process.

Everything else is just getting side tracked with petty arguments.

It's got 40k sigs now which is great, that's about what the petition to remove GTA V from Aus Target was at, hopefully we'll see something come of this.
 

BoberFett

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Wasn't it determined that the article was satire? I dislike Anita et al, but come on. Petitions, LOL.
 
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Whether she complains about the controls or not is irrelevant, the issue is this is about the worse person you could be consulting with to build a game, a huge segment of the gamers who care about this game don't want her anywhere near that and they have a right to voice that opinion and ask she be removed from the development process.

The issue is that she was NEVER involved with the development of the game to begin with. You might as well have a petition to stop PrincessFrosty from developing an army of mutant cyborgs to colonize Mars. It's a meaningless petition based on a lie.
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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The issue is that she was NEVER involved with the development of the game to begin with. You might as well have a petition to stop PrincessFrosty from developing an army of mutant cyborgs to colonize Mars. It's a meaningless petition based on a lie.

Holy crap, PrincessFrosty is developing a mutant cyborg army? I'm going to start the petition right now.
 

Stringjam

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Jun 30, 2011
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How is that relevant to the subject? All you have is a quote out of context and a satire article, but go on about how the integrity of your games have clearly been violated. No one talked about it here until this article *rolleyes* but you'll tell me now how much you cared.

Frank Gibeau's comments about making the game more "accessible" to appeal to a wider audience are what have me concerned about the future of the franchise.

As for Anita's involvement, I would agree that there is no direct evidence to support that she has been hired to consult on development.
 

blankslate

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Jun 16, 2008
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Is this a popular cartoon? I'm not familiar with it.

It's Neon Genesis Evangelion

The series was very popular, although the ending episode was confusing as it pretty much took place in the protagonists head. People complained so they gave the audience a bloodier and more downbeat ending.

Within the past 5 years they've put out some new NGE movies...

Some people might be turned off by the rather extreme introversion and dysfunction of the protagonist. Mother is dead (watch for clues) and daddy gave him daddy issues.

It's fairly interesting though.


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SMOGZINN

Lifer
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It's Neon Genesis Evangelion

The series was very popular, although the ending episode was confusing as it pretty much took place in the protagonists head. People complained so they gave the audience a bloodier and more downbeat ending.

Within the past 5 years they've put out some new NGE movies...

Some people might be turned off by the rather extreme introversion and dysfunction of the protagonist. Mother is dead (watch for clues) and daddy gave him daddy issues.

It's fairly interesting though.


....

Thank you for that rundown. I had no idea that was what it was from. It is one of those shows I have always intended to watch but have never gotten around to.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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No, probably just people with their own personal opinions ... and NOT yours.

Sorry, the comment in that post was not 'just a personal opinion'.

So your apologizing and excusing for such a post about wanting to kill someone is wrong.
 

werepossum

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tential

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I have to agree with Craig here - "She should be removed from the planet" is effectively saying she should be killed, for we have no other habitable place. Surely we're beyond wishing people killed over video games.

They could mean that they want her to live on a space station?
 

dud

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Feb 18, 2001
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Sorry, the comment in that post was not 'just a personal opinion'.

So your apologizing and excusing for such a post about wanting to kill someone is wrong.



Killing is wrong in all cases ... but legal in many. I just take exception to those of us who try to shut other opinions ... because it does not agree with their own.

I know very little of this Anita person other than everyone who opposes her seems to be falling into the same trap ... that she enjoys the attention (especially the negative type). It makes her more relevant. Ignore her and she will wither away ... that is if she is indeed wrong.
 

dud

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Feb 18, 2001
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I have to agree with Craig here - "She should be removed from the planet" is effectively saying she should be killed, for we have no other habitable place. Surely we're beyond wishing people killed over video games.



Funny but I appear to have ignored that comment as being a simple joke. Does it not appear to be one? I did not take it as a call to murder this person.

I've been enjoying video games since the early 80s and take them as seriously as I did yard and board games that I played in the 60s and 70s ... i.e. not very seriously. A game in and of itself should never be taken too seriously as it is/should be simple fun. No?
 

PrincessFrosty

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Wasn't it determined that the article was satire? I dislike Anita et al, but come on. Petitions, LOL.

an internet petition? really?

what the poop is this, Myspace?

This kind of attitude doesn't really help.

Feminists just like Anita Sarkeesian have just had GTA 5 removed from Target a major retailer in Aus because they claimed it promotes rape against women, the petition size when they did this was lower than the votes that the petition against Anita has now.

However dumb you think they are, they are effective, they're used in both the US and the UK to vote ideas to go in front of politicians, and they've been used effectively in gaming for many years to petition all sorts of changes, the release of developer/modding tools to the Thief fans, to fix the Deus Ex:HR port on the PC are just a few that immediately spring to mind.
 
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BoberFett

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This kind of attitude doesn't really help.

Feminists just like Anita Sarkeesian have just had GTA 5 removed from Target a major retailer in Aus because they claimed it promotes rape against women, the petition size when they did this was lower than the votes that the petition against Anita has now.

However dumb you think they are, they are effective, they're used in both the US and the UK to vote ideas to go in front of politicians, and they've been used effectively in gaming for many years to petition all sorts of changes, the release of developer/modding tools to the Thief fans, to fix the Deus Ex:HR port on the PC are just a few that immediately spring to mind.

It's a fake article for !@#$ sake. How is a petition going to have someone removed that isn't even involved?

Edit: Forgot, can't curse in here... My bad...
 
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