Petrek's Erroneous Bible Thread

[Lovepig]

Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

 

[dabuddha]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You understand where this will go right?

 

[Smaulz]

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

I like the Bible with the pretty color pictures. Yes, it's abridged, but a picture is worth a thousand words, so it's actually more complete than the King James version.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

Umm... can you cite some specifics? Your statement above is rather ambiguous. The bible I've read doesn't really mention other specific works by other authors (ie. Paul doesn't say, "You should really read what Peter had to say about what happened that day during Pentecost."). There are cases where authors mention their own epistles. I forget the specifics, but Paul wrote 4 letters to a group of believers. The bible only has 2 of those letters. The other two were lost. There are other books/scrolls written during that time period by groups such as the Essenes and Gnostics that were not included in the canon. Some of them were seen as heretical; some could not be verified as authentic. Still others were left out for reasons unknown to me.

Edit for spelling

 

[UNCjigga]

You failed to put 'For Christians ONLY' in your thread title, so I feel like I'm entitled to post something here. Umm, so....where does the Book of Mormon fit into all of this?

 

[Legendary]

Here's a fire extinguisher...a fire blanket...and some sand.
Good luck.
*runs*

 

[Peetoeng]

Lovepig, you're not supposed to read the bible.

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

 

[Netopia]

The bible I've read doesn't really mention other specific works by other authors (ie. Paul doesn't say, "You should really read what Peter had to say about what happened that day during Pentecost.").

No, but Peter does speak of Paul's writings and refers to those writings (letters) as SCRIPTURES.

2 Peter 15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Joe

 

[Novgrod]

If this is a reference to the didache/apocrypha (sp) then it's a non-issue. Catholics say that these books are sure and fine and good and influenced by the holy spirit. My version of the KJV has all those books, only in their own unique place in the back, and prefaced with something about "these books are right and proper and correct and a good guide for good loving, only not deemed to be written by both god and man so they don't really count."

You know, there are all sorts of books that didn't make it into the bible--many gospels that account for jesus' birth burning the hands of his midwife's hands, and one that involves a twelve year old jesus turning clay sparrows into real sparrows on the sabbath, and if memory serves he bumps off some guy who questions him. The answer is that some people say "these books have divine influence and these books don't" but people vary on the didache.

Anyway, who cares?

 

[Broadkipa]

If your into fantasy then try the Lord of the Rings books, much better read and the films better too.

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: Broadkipa
If your into fantasy then try the Lord of the Rings books, much better read and the films better too.

Nice troll...

 

[KC5AV]

Originally posted by: Netopia

The bible I've read doesn't really mention other specific works by other authors (ie. Paul doesn't say, "You should really read what Peter had to say about what happened that day during Pentecost.").

No, but Peter does speak of Paul's writings and refers to those writings (letters) as SCRIPTURES.

2 Peter 15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Just thought I'd mention it.

Joe

Excellent point.
Since lovepig hasn't been back, I'm still not quite sure what the original intent of the post was.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

Wow, I think we have AT's newest troll.

Congratulations

 

[hungrypete]

Originally posted by: Peetoeng
Lovepig, you're not supposed to read the bible.

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

Wow that's a great quote, it really has alot of meaning when applied to this forum

lovepig, this really is a dangerous place to have theological conversation unless you are prepared to defend yourself tooth and nail. There are alot of 'science' minded people here who have trouble with blind faith (raises hand) and then there are just alot of jerks who want to get a reaction out of you. If you are aware of that, then by all means post threads like this, just don't go down the path of the Paltro.

 

[hungrypete]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

Wow, I think we have AT's newest troll.

Congratulations

niks back and hes still a juvenile corncob up the ass!

 

[Netopia]

Wow, I think we have AT's newest troll

Nope, Jeremy's a good guy. I believe he started this thread because petrek just can't keep off the topic in any other thread. Lovepig has been here for a few years.... mainly lurking though. He and I don't see eye to eye on theology, but I'll vouch for his integrity on the forums (I should... I introduced him to them!)

Joe

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: Novgrod
You know, there are all sorts of books that didn't make it into the bible--many gospels that account for jesus' birth burning the hands of his midwife's hands, and one that involves a twelve year old jesus turning clay sparrows into real sparrows on the sabbath, and if memory serves he bumps off some guy who questions him. The answer is that some people say "these books have divine influence and these books don't" but people vary on the didache.

Ahh.... And what stories would these be?

 

[sandorski]

The Book of Revelations(last book in the New Testament) is the only book in the Bible(as I recall) that makes a claim to be worthwhile(those who read it are "blessed")reading. One could likely assume that the Gospels are worthy, since all direct quotes of Jesus and stories of Jesus' life are contained therein. Most of the other books contain matters of interest from a Theologically clarifying kinda view, although there are a couple books that could be discarded without affecting much.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
You understand where this will go right?

straight to hell! lol

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

Wow, I think we have AT's newest troll.

Congratulations

Don't worry. You'll always be the oldest one.

 

[MadRat]

Come on, Lovepig, make some progress here.

 

[Lovepig]

Sorry about taking so long guys!! I don't visit as often as I should and I really didn't think anyone would post here except maybe petrek...

Anyway, if you don't believe the bible then this is of course irrelevant, and yes the Lord of the Rings is a great story... I just saw the two tower today and it's awesome - just like the first one!!!

But if you do believe the bible, what do you make of the important references and scriptures and words of God that we have missing from the bible. A very few we have in some form, just not compiled into thte bible, but most of them we are missing altogether.

Here is a perhaps not complete list;

Book of the Wars of the Lord (numbers 21:14)
Book of Jasher (Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18)
Book of the Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 1:41)
Book of Samuel the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29)
Book of Gad the Seer ( 1 Chronicles 29:29)
Book of Nathan the Prophet (1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29)
Prophecy of Ahija (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Visions if Iddo the Seer (2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22)
Book of Shemaiah (2 Chronicles 12:15)
Book of Jehu (2 Chronicles 20:34)
Sayings of the Seers (2 Chronicles 33:19)
an Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians that precedes our current 1 Corinthians (1 Corinthians 5:9)
an earlier Epistle to the Ephesians (Ephesians 3:3)
an Epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Colosians 4:16)
Prophecies of Enoch (Jude 1:14)
Book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:7)
The manner of the Kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Samuel 10:25)
The Acts of Uzziah, written by Isaiah (2 Chronicles 26:22)


I believe this forces us into a set of choices. First, either we believe the Bible is not complete or we believe it is complete and inerrant. If we believe it is complete then we must believe these books are not needed, which makes me wonder why God would say they are important. And preseve the text saying they are for so long...

In the spirit of full disclosure I'll share my opinion. I believe the Bible. I believe the Bible has problems. I think they basically fall into 3 groups. 1 - Errors in translations. 2 - Errors of omissions due to things being taken out or things being lost. and 3 - Errors in understanding due to regional or cultural differences.

And of course thats before we get to selfish changes in church practice, policy, doctrine, or scripture for personal power. There have been men who mis-used the ancient church for their own benefit...

I don't have any part of the bible in mind that i think i wrong, just in general i think it is harder to understand and piece together than it needs to be (in my nsho!). I think that is the main effect of the errors. Most places where it seems to contradict itself, it really dosen't when you have a more thourough uinderstanding of the gospel principles involved!

I sure wish petrek would come here...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: hungrypete

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: Lovepig
Don't say i never did anything for you. This thread is for you to show why the KJV is the best version of the Bible, or why there is nothing missing from the Bible despite the list of complete Books that are missing I posted earlier. Or discuss translation problems and different versions.

Now there is no need to clutter up other threads and you get your own soapbox...

I'll even get the discussion rolling for you. If there are books that the Bible says are important for us to read and study, including books that seem like they would be giving the Word of God since they are revelations (presumably FROM GOD) as well as seemingly important histories, how do you justify us NOT having them?

There are 2 choices: a) the bible lied and we don't really need those books or b) we do need those books and the Biblle has been messed-up by someone/something! I think most answers will fit into one of these 2 categories. Which one do you believe?

Wow, I think we have AT's newest troll.

Congratulations

niks back and hes still a juvenile corncob up the ass!

Pot? Meet kettle.