Pffft! Who needs Pfizer vaccine? Moderna's has ~95% effectiveness and doesn't need dry ice to stay fresh

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Muse

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lots of new science starts with accidental something. The other vaccination producers are surely trying the same right now... imagine 95 going to 99.
Yeah, I'll take 99. I've heard of N99 masks, but I only have N95 that at low densities, they aren't as efficient at conquering their hosts. 99 1/2 just won't do:
 
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lots of new science starts with accidental something. The other vaccination producers are surely trying the same right now... imagine 95 going to 99.
Without the data and the potentially small sample size of the mistaken dosage group, I think people are jumping the gun on the meaning of the AZ results.
 

cytg111

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Without the data and the potentially small sample size of the mistaken dosage group, I think people are jumping the gun on the meaning of the AZ results.
I think jumping the gun would be to shoot up... now they are verifying the finding..... right? right?
 
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I think jumping the gun would be to shoot up... now they are verifying the finding..... right? right?
(I apologize in advance if this sounds a little rambling. I'm still waking up, lol)

It really only sounds like they released a very, very top-line summary of some first interpret-able results. It's really nothing to write home about or draw sweeping conclusions because we simply have nothing to look at. Let's calm down and wait for the full data to come out publicly. These trials generate loads of data that need to be analyzed by statisticians, while they also package the data for regulatory submission.

At the end of the day, the main pieces of data to look at will be the primary endpoint within the entire population, then look at how efficacy might have varied across stratification groups (they'll often stratify the trial by geographic region and one or two other factors, to look for consistency in these key groups), then look at safety across the trial. These subgroup analyses, which is effectively what this half-dose group is, are just interesting hypothesis-generating items or confirmatory for the primary endpoint. These trials are likely not powered to draw statistically meaningful conclusions from small subgroups. And we definitely cannot draw any meaningful conclusions from post hoc analyses of clinical trial data (as that really amounts to statistical fishing).
 

cytg111

Lifer
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(I apologize in advance if this sounds a little rambling. I'm still waking up, lol)

It really only sounds like they released a very, very top-line summary of some first interpret-able results. It's really nothing to write home about or draw sweeping conclusions because we simply have nothing to look at. Let's calm down and wait for the full data to come out publicly. These trials generate loads of data that need to be analyzed by statisticians, while they also package the data for regulatory submission.

At the end of the day, the main pieces of data to look at will be the primary endpoint within the entire population, then look at how efficacy might have varied across stratification groups (they'll often stratify the trial by geographic region and one or two other factors, to look for consistency in these key groups), then look at safety across the trial. These subgroup analyses, which is effectively what this half-dose group is, are just interesting hypothesis-generating items or confirmatory for the primary endpoint. These trials are likely not powered to draw statistically meaningful conclusions from small subgroups. And we definitely cannot draw any meaningful conclusions from post hoc analyses of clinical trial data (as that really amounts to statistical fishing).
Of course not, at least, as a layman, i’d expect them to go through phase 3 again.
 
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Of course not, at least, as a layman, i’d expect them to go through phase 3 again.
They probably won't have to run another Phase 3 trial, unless they wanted to explore any new hypotheses, like half dose + full dose vs 2x full dose. I would bet they have enough data to carry them through regulatory approval at the original proposed dose schedule.
 
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K1052

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They probably won't have to run another Phase 3 trial, unless they wanted to explore any new hypotheses, like half dose + full dose vs 2x full dose. I would bet they have enough data to carry them through regulatory approval at the original proposed dose schedule.

Yea the UK is going to approve off this trial data. Doubt the US will until AZ's trial here shows results.
 

Entangled

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Estimated 1 billion doses possibly available in 2021. Heard about it today on NPR. Their trial had 90 cases in the placebo group and 5 that got the vaccine, translates to almost 95% effective. Said to be especially effective for the elderly.


Stays fresh without intense refrigeration unlike the Pfizer vaccine.
Vaccine for what? Creating autism?

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award - CBS News

Number of completed long term tests

Zero
 

Amused

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This is a troll who just joined today, made two posts in the motherboards and windows forums that shows he is obviously not a computer enthusiast then came directly to the politics and news forum to shitpost mindless pro-trump conspiracy and anti-vax garbage.

Well said, I came here to post this
 
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Zorba

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lots of new science starts with accidental something. The other vaccination producers are surely trying the same right now... imagine 95 going to 99.
From what I've read, the leading hypothesis on the Oxford vaccine is that because it is a viral vector vaccine, the body produces a stronger response to the vector with the larger first dose and then neutralizes the booster shot without getting a benefit from it. I don't think mRNA would have the same mechanism at all.

It seems like all the leading viral vector vaccines are have issues with the immune system hitting the vector.
 
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