Pharmacies share medical data with police without a warrant

Leeea

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Are you driving through a state? Get pulled over?

Arrested for murder? Confused as to why?



Yep, that legal healthcare in one state was not legal in the fly over state your driving through. Tssk Tssk. Up for the death penalty with you. Vicious murderer you. What were you thinking?
 

Fenixgoon

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I thought HIPPA prevented this kind of thing?

Queue up the lawsuits
records can be turned over to law enforcement "if required by law". What satisfies that condition? A simple request? Subpoena? Warrant?

HHS does need to issue guidance that the correct answer to the above question is a warrant, and nothing short of a warrant. The pharmacies can also push back instead of rolling over at every little request

 

[DHT]Osiris

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records can be turned over to law enforcement "if required by law". What satisfies that condition? A simple request? Subpoena? Warrant?

HHS does need to issue guidance that the correct answer to the above question is a warrant, and nothing short of a warrant. The pharmacies can also push back instead of rolling over at every little request

Part of the purpose of a warrant is to prove you're actually law enforcement. What's to stop me from just pretending to be a cop and asking pharmacies for records?
 

HomerJS

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records can be turned over to law enforcement "if required by law". What satisfies that condition? A simple request? Subpoena? Warrant?

HHS does need to issue guidance that the correct answer to the above question is a warrant, and nothing short of a warrant. The pharmacies can also push back instead of rolling over at every little request

Every pharmacy the shared info without a warrant need to be sued by US DOJ
 

Pohemi

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I find it ridiculous that hospitals, clinics, Doctor's offices, etc. can't/won't release patient medical info without a proper warrant or at least a subpoena...but hey your pharmacy down the street can have some inept pharmacy technician offer up your records upon being asked.

Funny that the legislation to change this policy/loophole was introduced by several Democrats, with no GOP co-sponsors. So...who is the party of personal privacy, again? Oh that's right...only privacy for them and theirs. The rest of us have no right to it.
 

interchange

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In my experience pharmacies are very lax about providing information if you identify yourself as a doctor.
 
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dullard

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I find it ridiculous that hospitals, clinics, Doctor's offices, etc. can't/won't release patient medical info without a proper warrant or at least a subpoena...but hey your pharmacy down the street can have some inept pharmacy technician offer up your records upon being asked.
Hospitals, clinics, doctors, and pharmacies all are covered by the same HIPAA requirements. A good summary of HIPAA and law enforcement is here:
Notice how there are 6 possible legal ways to reveal your information to law enforcement and only 1 of the 6 requires a warrant or subpoena.


Covered entities may disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials for law enforcement purposes under the following six circumstances, and subject to specified conditions: (1) as required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests; (2) to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person; (3) in response to a law enforcement official's request for information about a victim or suspected victim of a crime; (4) to alert law enforcement of a person's death, if the covered entity suspects that criminal activity caused the death; (5) when a covered entity believes that protected health information is evidence of a crime that occurred on its premises; and (6) by a covered health care provider in a medical emergency not occurring on its premises, when necessary to inform law enforcement about the commission and nature of a crime, the location of the crime or crime victims, and the perpetrator of the crime.34
 
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Pohemi

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Every other instance where it's okay to give up other's medical record info without a warrant or subpoena relates to criminal involvement or activity. I think even that should require a warrant.

I don't believe that's what the OP article was referring to, though. The study/report was about pharmacies just handing records over when simply asked, and without batting an eye.

And now the prospect of it being weaponized across state lines.
 
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Leeea

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And now the prospect of it being weaponized across state lines.
This.

Using it to determine if a person has had an abortion and then arresting them for it. Regardless of where said medication was purchased.


Also, it is all the pharmacies. The only way to avoid it is to buy your drugs in Mexico.


This could also be used to find transgender people, etc.
 
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ch33zw1z

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In my experience pharmacies are very lax about providing information if you identify yourself as a doctor.

I’m not even sure if you need to be one. Anecdotally, I’ve been checking it at the doctor and can hear the office staff calling a pharmacy and just say “I’m so-and-so with doctor name here’s office” and away they went. It was a quick call, likely pharmacy’s are getting quite a few of these a day
 
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