Pharmacist Resists Illinois Rule on Contraceptives

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CHICAGO ? An Illinois pharmacist says he's being pressured by the state to sell a certain kind of oral contraceptive despite his objection to it for moral reasons.
A new rule in Illinois ? the first of its kind in the United States ? tells pharmacists that if they're in the business of selling contraceptives, they must fill all contraceptive prescriptions, including those for so-called "morning-after" birth-control pills.

Luke Vander Bleek (search) owns four pharmacies in suburban Chicago and is one of several pharmacists suing Gov. Rod Blagojevich (search) over the administrative rule, which was approved by a rule-making panel of the Illinois Legislature last week.

Vander Bleek said he sells regular oral contraceptives, but is not willing to sell the "morning-after" pill known as Plan B (search).

He considers it tantamount to abortion, since it is taken after sexual intercourse and can prevent the implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus.

Plan B should not be confused with the "abortion pill," Mifeprex (search) or RU-486 (search), which induces miscarriage at up to three months.

"We believe that the governor is attempting to create a situation where he's defining my morality for me," said Vander Bleek. "He's saying that, 'Mr. Vander Bleek, if you are going to stock emergency contraceptives and you morally accept contraceptives' ? which we do ? 'then you morally accept this emergency contraceptive or Plan B.'"

Blagojevich, a Democrat elected in 2002, says pharmacists who deny customers any form of legal birth control could lose their licenses.

One of those indicators is the number of states that have introduced legislation on the issue.

Since 1997, lawmakers in 28 states have introduced bills to protect a pharmacist's right to say no, and four states now permit pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions based on their personal beliefs.



Why don't the Democrats go find another pharmacy rather than bash up on this small business and forcing him to carry a product?


And an update to the OP: A couple news stories say that Mr. Vander Bleek has stopped selling all forms on contraception in his stores.

Way to go Illinois and the radical feminist movement! :thumbsup:

 

dullard

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Originally posted by: zendari
Why don't the Democrats go find another pharmacy rather than bash up on this small business and forcing him to carry a product?
He isn't forced to carry any product. He can simply drop the other contraceptives and be perfectly legal. I don't agree with the law, but I'm just stating that it isn't a very difficult law to deal with.
 

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Blagojevich, a Democrat elected in 2002, says pharmacists who deny customers any form of legal birth control could lose their licenses.

sigh; Only one more year of this fool.

If Ryan wasn't so dammed crooked and smug about it we wouldn't be in this position.
 

Genx87

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It is all about control. I find it fascinating the govt is in the business of dictating what can and cant be sold by a private business.
 

ZeGermans

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I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Genx87
It is all about control. I find it fascinating the govt is in the business of dictating what can and cant be sold by a private business.

That private business only exists through a federal system of healthcare and drug distribution (DEA/FDA). If you don't like the rules . . . don't open a pharmacy. You can certainly chose NOT to carry certain products. At which point you will be labeled an "inadequate" pharmacy, so doctors will not forward 'scripts and patients won't bother with your business.

I kind of agree with the tool pharmacist. He should be allowed to carry drugs that meet his ignorant inclinations. In response, the government (IL and national) should publish a list of "substandard" pharmacies.

He cannot sell L-tryptophan but it's arguably as safe as water and safer than salt. He cannot sell medical MJ, he cannot sell ephedra (and needs a special license to sell ephedrine) . . . do you really believe private enterprise should not beholden to federal or state regulation when it comes to drugs?
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.

That would be his choice. Though I think his problem was promoting abortion, not promiscuity. Or can we force him to sell plasma TVs as well?

If his pharmacy is inadequate it will lose business to other pharmacies.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Genx87
It is all about control. I find it fascinating the govt is in the business of dictating what can and cant be sold by a private business.

That private business only exists through a federal system of healthcare and drug distribution (DEA/FDA). If you don't like the rules . . . don't open a pharmacy. You can certainly chose NOT to carry certain products. At which point you will be labeled an "inadequate" pharmacy, so doctors will not forward 'scripts and patients won't bother with your business.

I kind of agree with the tool pharmacist. He should be allowed to carry drugs that meet his ignorant inclinations. In response, the government (IL and national) should publish a list of "substandard" pharmacies.

He cannot sell L-tryptophan but it's arguably as safe as water and safer than salt. He cannot sell medical MJ, he cannot sell ephedra (and needs a special license to sell ephedrine) . . . do you really believe private enterprise should not beholden to federal or state regulation when it comes to drugs?


Is he going to be selling illegal drugs in the pharmecy?
 

BaliBabyDoc

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According to you, it doesn't matter . . .

It is all about control. I find it fascinating the govt is in the business of dictating what can and cant be sold by a private business.

Trust me . . . I have minimal faith in our government's process of determining what is legal and what is "ilicit." But they make the rules and if you want to participate in the drug distribution enterprise . . . you must follow all the rules . . . not just the ones that don't clash with your sensitive morals.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.

That would be his choice. Though I think his problem was promoting abortion, not promiscuity. Or can we force him to sell plasma TVs as well?

If his pharmacy is inadequate it will lose business to other pharmacies.

What a stupid argument! When it comes to public health issues there are all kinds of rules and regulations. There are no health reprecussions from selling or not selling plasma TVs. Christ, now I know why I stopped responding to your idiotic posts around here.

Even stupider is your assessment that somehow Plan B is the equivalent of abortion. It's clearly not.
 

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If the guy isn't willing to perform all the functions of his job because of moral reasons, perhaps he should have planned for a different job.

He's not a physician so he has no right to deny someone their prescription IMO.

"A new rule in Illinois ? the first of its kind in the United States ? tells pharmacists that if they're in the business of selling contraceptives, they must fill all contraceptive prescriptions"

Sounds pretty damn logical to me.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.

 

zendari

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.

QFT. This is another liberal enforcement law meant to pile on excessive rules and regulations for the agenda to limit our freedoms.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
According to you, it doesn't matter . . .

It is all about control. I find it fascinating the govt is in the business of dictating what can and cant be sold by a private business.

Trust me . . . I have minimal faith in our government's process of determining what is legal and what is "ilicit." But they make the rules and if you want to participate in the drug distribution enterprise . . . you must follow all the rules . . . not just the ones that don't clash with your sensitive morals.

Um where did I say it doesnt matter? You are the one making the claim that since they are regulated they should have to adhere to govt standards or we are all doomed.

I am simply asking you if you think this guy will sell illegal unsafe drugs?

Try answering the question.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.

What health implications? Cant the person simply go to another drug store????
Should we be going after grocery stores that dont carry Tylenol or Aspirin? Think of the health implications!

An abortion drug is an elective drug and thus should be an elective product to sell.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.

LOL. What would dave title this post? I suggest "Illinois officially named a Communist state!"
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I am simply asking you if you think this guy will sell illegal unsafe drugs?

What if there was a drug developed to "promote belief in christ?" Afterall, we know that religious types have more frequent higher temporal lobe seizures than non-religious types. In fact, i dont doubt that this is the SOURCE of religion. What if atheist pharmicists denied acess to drugs that induceded temporal lobe seizures?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.

What health implications? Cant the person simply go to another drug store????
Should we be going after grocery stores that dont carry Tylenol or Aspirin? Think of the health implications!

An abortion drug is an elective drug and thus should be an elective product to sell.

For the millionth time, Plan B is not an abortion drug, it's a contraceptive. Are you not paying attention or what?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.

What health implications? Cant the person simply go to another drug store????
Should we be going after grocery stores that dont carry Tylenol or Aspirin? Think of the health implications!

An abortion drug is an elective drug and thus should be an elective product to sell.

For the millionth time, Plan B is not an abortion drug, it's a contraceptive. Are you not paying attention or what?

What health implications for the drug? Are you paying attention?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.

What health implications? Cant the person simply go to another drug store????
Should we be going after grocery stores that dont carry Tylenol or Aspirin? Think of the health implications!

An abortion drug is an elective drug and thus should be an elective product to sell.

For the millionth time, Plan B is not an abortion drug, it's a contraceptive. Are you not paying attention or what?

What health implications for the drug? Are you paying attention?

So I need to spell it out for you? A woman could get pregnant as a result of being denied Plan B. Are you trying to claim that's not a health implication? Are you really trying to compare getting pregnant (or not) with taking advil for a headache?

Christ, you're really stretching here aren't you?
 

DealMonkey

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A PSA for pharmacists everywhere: Make with the pills buddy, make it snappy, and STFU about your personal beliefs.

The more you know.

(Queue NBC shooting star graphic and piano score)
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
I hope he doesn't sell viagra and cialis, because that promotes promiscuity, too... Oh wait, forgot. It's a one-lane street for these hypocrits.
I dont care if he's a hyprocrit, I'm more concerned about a persons freedoms to conduct thier business as they please.

A govt telling a store owner which products to sell..... sounds like Communist Russia.
Hmmmm, another person ignoring the obvious health implications from denying legal prescriptions from being filled. Do I really need to reiterate the fact that public health concerns trump personal freedoms in this case. It happens all the time -- just two quick examples: motorcycle helmet laws and seatbelt laws for automobile drivers.

What health implications? Cant the person simply go to another drug store????
Should we be going after grocery stores that dont carry Tylenol or Aspirin? Think of the health implications!

An abortion drug is an elective drug and thus should be an elective product to sell.

For the millionth time, Plan B is not an abortion drug, it's a contraceptive. Are you not paying attention or what?

What health implications for the drug? Are you paying attention?

So I need to spell it out for you? A woman could get pregnant as a result of being denied Plan B. Are you trying to claim that's not a health implication? Are you really trying to compare getting pregnant (or not) with taking advil for a headache?

Christ, you're really stretching here aren't you?

lmao "could" get pregnant? This is a major concern for the state? I would have thought it was preventing cancer or something.

lmao here is an easier than sin solution. Goto another pharmacist or close your legs.

I am sorry but I really find that comical that this is a "major" health problem that warrants the state to force a private owner to adhere to.

 

DealMonkey

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Merely your ignorant opinion. Pregnancy is a huge health concern with major economic implications for the state.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Merely your ignorant opinion. Pregnancy is a huge health concern with major economic implications for the state.

Oh really? If they are so worried why not simply sterilize people?

I mean since being pregnant is such a major health issue why not cut it off at the pass?
 
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