Pharmacist who killed robber guilty of murder

[frostedflakes]

People are so quick to pull the race card... It probably had more to do with the fact that the pharmacy had already been robbed like half a dozen times before and he was sick of it. Doesn't justify what he did, but just saying I doubt it's a race thing.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

He should have destroyed the video tapes.

 

[alkemyst]

Wow because he was black?

 

[Binarycow]

To all the legal experts in here, you guys need to keep one thing in mind: to you all it's just a far-removed case of robbery went wrong however that means. To people like me who live not far off that place it is one less criminal to worry about. Legality, one way or another, won't help me if a robber is pointing a gun at my face or is wanting to harm my family. What the pharmacist did was illegal. However, from a more pragmatic point of view, it probably improved the odds of less likely being robbed in that area.

Legality/sovereignty didn't stop us from going into Pakistan to kill Osama. The only reason no body could do a damn thing to us for what is deemed illegal (but necessary) is because we have more guns than everyone else. In the end, laws and rules only mean so much it's what's necessary and who has more guns that dictates the end. That pharmacist simply did not have enough "guns".

 

[Macamus Prime]

It probably had more to do with the fact that the pharmacy had already been robbed like half a dozen times before and he was sick of it.

Did he shoot the previous robbers in the head as well, but they ended up getting away?

Because the only thing that would justify him shooting an already downed robber, according to your logic, is that the past robberies resulted in him shooting them in the head,... and they still get away. So, this time, he had to make sure they were dead.

I agree with defending yourself. I don't agree with taking it into your own hands to dish out punishment, well after the fact you stopped a criminal and defended yourself. There was no reason to shoot the criminal, who was already shot in the head, 5 more times.

It was emotional, but it was hate. He knew what he was doing. He let his hate get the best of him and he showed he was just looking to end a young black man's life.

 

[Modelworks]

Once you are no longer in imminent danger you cannot use lethal force, no matter how mad you are that someone is robbing you. This wasn't about defense it was about vengeance .

 

[PaperclipGod]

Once you are no longer in imminent danger you cannot use lethal force, no matter how mad you are that someone is robbing you. This wasn't about defense it was about vengeance .

And if we weren't a country of pussies we'd congratulate that man for seeking vengeance in such a way that no punk will try to rob him again.

 

[ichy]

I would've acquitted the guy in question, but putting five bullets into someone who was already down was idiotic.

 

[NetWareHead]

To all the legal experts in here, you guys need to keep one thing in mind: to you all it's just a far-removed case of robbery went wrong however that means. To people like me who live not far off that place it is one less criminal to worry about. Legality, one way or another, won't help me if a robber is pointing a gun at my face or is wanting to harm my family. What the pharmacist did was illegal. However, from a more pragmatic point of view, it probably improved the odds of less likely being robbed in that area.

Legality/sovereignty didn't stop us from going into Pakistan to kill Osama. The only reason no body could do a damn thing to us for what is deemed illegal (but necessary) is because we have more guns than everyone else. In the end, laws and rules only mean so much it's what's necessary and who has more guns that dictates the end. That pharmacist simply did not have enough "guns".

Pretty much agree with this. Like I said in previous post, there is more utility and common good in the criminal dying than living.

 

[classy]

Pretty much agree with this. Like I said in previous post, there is more utility and common good in the criminal dying than living.

LOL
Boy you guys really don't go out in the real world. The dude is going to jail he won't be there. Based on what happened that drugstore now is more likely to be hit.

 

[classy]

To all the legal experts in here, you guys need to keep one thing in mind: to you all it's just a far-removed case of robbery went wrong however that means. To people like me who live not far off that place it is one less criminal to worry about. Legality, one way or another, won't help me if a robber is pointing a gun at my face or is wanting to harm my family. What the pharmacist did was illegal. However, from a more pragmatic point of view, it probably improved the odds of less likely being robbed in that area.

Legality/sovereignty didn't stop us from going into Pakistan to kill Osama. The only reason no body could do a damn thing to us for what is deemed illegal (but necessary) is because we have more guns than everyone else. In the end, laws and rules only mean so much it's what's necessary and who has more guns that dictates the end. That pharmacist simply did not have enough "guns".

This is totally idiotic. We need folks who will abide by laws even under extreme stress out in the public.

 

[NetWareHead]

LOL
Boy you guys really don't go out in the real world. The dude is going to jail he won't be there. Based on what happened that drugstore now is more likely to be hit.

Yes because the courts sent the wrong guy to prison. If that pharmacist continued to work there, there is a pretty good chance he is going to be armed. If I were a criminal, I'd be stupid to rob a store where armed employees worked. I'd go after the easier target. Unless someone has a personal vendetta against the pharmacist, I'd suspect the store would be safe.

 

[Scotteq]

For the armchair lawyers: Provocation does not necessarily absolve one of responsibility.

AND :

When the threat stops, the right to 'self defense' goes with it.

What this means in this case is:

- If he turns and runs, you can't shoot.

- If he's already incapacitated, you can't shoot him (again).


To do otherwise means prison time for Manslaughter or (2nd degree) Murder, as demonstrated in this case.

 

[ibex333]

I cant believe anyone here defends the teenagers... Those bastards deserved to die. Who gives a shit that they are 14 or whatever? They are old enough to realize what the hell they are doing. Doesn't matter that the "boy" was unarmed. That "animal" came in with his friend to rob a store! To do harm to people.

I'd shoot him 5 times too if I was under "affect". It's like.. "Shit, you little bastard... I cant believe you tried to rob and kill me!!" "Die, fucking die, die, die, die!"

Why is it that when I was 14 I never had the idea to rob a store or to associate myself with anyone wielding a gun? Oh wait... He was probably a poor kid from the ghetto, his mother was a druggie, his dad left... God when will this shit stop? When will we stop feeling guilty and sorry for these people? It's nobody's fault they end up like this except their own.

 

[NetWareHead]

Why is it that when I was 14 I never had the idea to rob a store or to associate myself with anyone wielding a gun? Oh wait... He was probably a poor kid from the ghetto, his mother was a druggie, his dad left... God when will this shit stop? When will we stop feeling guilty and sorry for these people? It's nobody's fault they end up like this except their own.

<sarcasm>
Fail. You forgot to play the race card
</sarcasm>

 

[Mide]

He should get a lower sentence like 5 years. The kids were waving around guns so the whole situation was their fault. The pharmacist went overboard with the 5 "extra" rounds so he should get 1 year per round of excess.

 

[Zebo]

To all the legal experts in here, you guys need to keep one thing in mind: to you all it's just a far-removed case of robbery went wrong however that means. To people like me who live not far off that place it is one less criminal to worry about. Legality, one way or another, won't help me if a robber is pointing a gun at my face or is wanting to harm my family. What the pharmacist did was illegal. However, from a more pragmatic point of view, it probably improved the odds of less likely being robbed in that area.

Legality/sovereignty didn't stop us from going into Pakistan to kill Osama. The only reason no body could do a damn thing to us for what is deemed illegal (but necessary) is because we have more guns than everyone else. In the end, laws and rules only mean so much it's what's necessary and who has more guns that dictates the end. That pharmacist simply did not have enough "guns".

LOL @ comparing the sovereign to a pharmacist.

 

[actuarial]

Why is it that when I was 14 I never had the idea to rob a store or to associate myself with anyone wielding a gun? Oh wait... He was probably a poor kid from the ghetto, his mother was a druggie, his dad left... God when will this shit stop? When will we stop feeling guilty and sorry for these people? It's nobody's fault they end up like this except their own.

I agree we shouldn't absolve personal responsibility, but are you saying it's just a coincidence that upper class kids are less likely to commit crimes than lower class ones?

If it doesn't affect a child's development, why would child services take a kid away from drug addicts?

Everyone needs to take a share of the blame for their own actions, but if your plan is to ignore the circumstances you're not going to get very far at stopping the problem in the future.

 

[Ns1]

And if we weren't a country of pussies we'd congratulate that man for seeking vengeance in such a way that no punk will try to rob him again.

:bigthumb:

 

[soulcougher73]

Did he shoot the previous robbers in the head as well, but they ended up getting away?

Because the only thing that would justify him shooting an already downed robber, according to your logic, is that the past robberies resulted in him shooting them in the head,... and they still get away. So, this time, he had to make sure they were dead.

I agree with defending yourself. I don't agree with taking it into your own hands to dish out punishment, well after the fact you stopped a criminal and defended yourself. There was no reason to shoot the criminal, who was already shot in the head, 5 more times.

It was emotional, but it was hate. He knew what he was doing. He let his hate get the best of him and he showed he was just looking to end a young black man's life.

I am fine with vigilante justice. I dont care what his motives were. He was put into a situation he did not ask for. He dealt with it how he saw fit. He dished out the punishment he saw fit and now our justice system will dish out punishment on him how they see fit.

Basic moral of the story is: If you want to live, dont commit crimes.

P.S. Way to bring the race card into the game. Always one of you. I highly doubt the pharmasist cared what color the armed robbers were.

 

[dpodblood]

I have no problem with the pharmacist shooting the boy in the head, nor chasing the other out of the store. He did that to defend himself and the employees in the store. But coming back, getting another gun, and calmly putting 5 rounds into the downed perp is not cool. He was already down, and clearly not a threat anymore. The law allows you self defense. It does not allow you to declare yourself judge and executioner.

The really pathetic thing is that the first head shot probably would have killed the perp anyway, and he would have gotten away unscathed, or gotten manslaughter at worse. Instead he chose to come back shoot 5 more times, and then was even stupid enough to lie about the events to the police and the courts.

Plain and simple. The threat was eliminated and he came back to finish the job. That's murder.

 

[amdhunter]

People are so quick to pull the race card... It probably had more to do with the fact that the pharmacy had already been robbed like half a dozen times before and he was sick of it. Doesn't justify what he did, but just saying I doubt it's a race thing.

I pull the race card more than anyone else. Shit, with all the cashback I get from the race card, I could make my own NAACP.

That said.

I hope that jackass was alive when he got hit in the head. I hope then and there he thought the worst was over, and the owner would leave him alone.

I hope he felt fear when the owner came back, and he felt every single one of the extra bullets being pumped in him. Kid was a piece of shit and deserved to die.

Every single person here saying it was wrong - if it was your business or home, you'd do the same exact thing.

Fuck that kid. I hope he suffered through every bullet.

 

[dpodblood]

Every single person here saying it was wrong - if it was your business or home, you'd do the same exact thing.

That's a terrible assumption. I would have no qualms about pulling the trigger the 1st time, but I sure as shit wouldn't come back and pump in 5 more rounds. That's just idiotic. Just as the kid's took their lives into their hands by choosing to commit armed robbery, the pharmacist took his life into his own hands by administering vigilante justice.

 

[Ns1]

That's a terrible assumption. I would have no qualms about pulling the trigger the 1st time, but I sure as shit wouldn't come back and pump in 5 more rounds.

I wouldn't either - but only cuz I'd go on trial for murder.

 

[SandEagle]

I pull the race card more than anyone else. Shit, with all the cashback I get from the race card, I could make my own NAACP.

That said.

I hope that jackass was alive when he got hit in the head. I hope then and there he thought the worst was over, and the owner would leave him alone.

I hope he felt fear when the owner came back, and he felt every single one of the extra bullets being pumped in him. Kid was a piece of shit and deserved to die.

Every single person here saying it was wrong - if it was your business or home, you'd do the same exact thing.

Fuck that kid. I hope he suffered through every bullet.

lol u mad?

it was a 14 yr old kid. its possible that he didnt understand the severity of his actions. he may have very well been coaxed into it. i hope he died a quick and painless death from the 1st shot. what joy can u get from seeing a 14 yr old suffer?