PhasmatisNox's leet skills hold up a plane for an hour

TitanDiddly

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I was flying from LAX to Boston yesterday, with a stop in Phoenix. My laptop's battery doesn't last too long, so I have it set up with an auto adapter and a 12v SLA battery. It looks ghetto, but works great. I have pics on my desktop, but none here. There is one wire that's red and black as opposed to the usual commerical straight black, and the battery itself doesn't look like anything a non-tech-savvy person would recognize. It looked kind of like this:
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Anyway, the check-on at LAX was smooth enough, I was pulled aside as expected, it was inspected and they gave me the green light to get on the plane. I did so, and enjoyed the short flight to Phoenix. There was an hour or so between landing and departure so I got off the plane and went to a Burger King to grab something to eat. When I returned, I waited about 20 minutes, when I saw a police officer ride up on a bike and stop at my gate. He talked to the desk guy then went down the jetway. I suspect that they got upset at my bag, so I walk up the desk guy and tell him that if they have a suspicious item, it's probably mine. The guy asked for my last name, I tell him, and he laughs. I give him my seat number and short description of the battery. He hurries down the jetway.

Shortly thereafter, a police officer askes me how my mother is doing and pulls me aside for a chat, where she asks me for some ID. I give it to her. She takes down my info, and then asks about my bag. I told her that it's completely safe, I just hooked up an auto adapter to a sealed battery so I could use my laptop on the long flight. She tells me that she's happy with my explanation and releases me.

I lean on my concrete column for a bit longer. A bomb-sniffing dog arrives. Another officer comes up and repeats pretty much the same procedure as the last one, and tells me that a Bomb Assessment Specialist is inspecting my bag. Some more technicians and officers arrive. There's an announcement over the loudspeaker that a suspicious item was found on the plane, that it's not a bomb, and that it's being inspected. I saw at least 10 guys go in and out of the plane that looked like normal flight attendants, rolling nondescript luggage- I think they were carrying in test equipment, only it had been packed into normal luggage so as not to draw attention to it.

I've seen this tall guy walking up and down the jetway and talking to technicians for a while, and seeming to be in charge. Before long, he walks up to me and asks me to come speak with him. We go to an unoccupied gate where a more serious 'chat' is had- he gets all my ID info, my SS, my destination and where I expect to be for the next 6 months. He then has a guy take notes as he questions me about my battery dealie. He said I 'jury rigged it together', which I objected to, as think I did a pretty good job, safety-wise. It's a very simple device, anyway- only two connections to make. After asking me about the inspection precedure at LAX, he dismisses me and goes back on the plane.

After another 20 minutes or so, an important-looking guy tells me that my battery is wet cell, and that I'm not allowed to have wet-cell batteries on the plane. I'm sure that the battery isn't wet cell, and I tell him as such- he assures me that I'm wrong, and that the battery is being restowed in the cargo bay in a battery box. I ask him what sort of batteries I'm allows to have on the plane, and again he doesn't acknowlege that I've said anything.

About this time, it's 45 minutes after the schedule departure, and another announcement is made regarding how safe the aircraft is, nobody needs to be worried, etc. They say that we can board the plane as soon as all the technicians have left.

During this time, I ask the important looking guy about what sort of batteries I'm allowed to bring, and he just tells me not to bring anything, and reprimands me for wasting resources and scaring everyone. Now, I checked out my setup at LAX, and I called ahead with my airline and the TSA clerk first- they all said it was alright, they even personally inspected the exact battery I was using and told me is way A-OK. I even flew out to LAX from Boston with the same exact setup. No problems.

I don't think that the delay was my fault- If TSA at one airport is going to have a problem with a particular type of battery, then TSA at another airport shouldn't allow it. That kind of thing needs to be standardized. I know it's no hazard to the plane or its occupants. I think that the TSA people went a little overboard with it. Overkill is safety is a good thing- but they could have ascertained that it was safe if they just had a few trained guys down there and gotten me to operate it for them- and it would have taken much less time, and not disturbed anybody's flight plans.

I'm not proud of delaying the plane, and I'm sorry to everybody that I inconvenienced. I do know that there is at least one person who is happy though, his plane came in late and he booked it all the way down from another terminal, suprised to find the plane still here.

Cliffs:
Made battery setup to keep my laptop going on cross-country flights
Flew across country with it once, TSA inspected
Flew back, TSA freaked out when the plane stopped
Bomb dogs and technicians come
Plane held up an hour
TSA people hadn't harassed anyone recently, they were PMSing
146 travellers inconvenienced because the TSA can't standardize


UPDATE 9/19/05
I heard from home today that a stern warning arrived for me via certified mail. These guys really have no idea what is going on.
 

cjgallen

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IF this is true:

1. Get a better laptop.
2. You KNEW it was gonna cause problems, "I was pulled aside as expected," so why'd you even bring it? Read a book or something!
3. No normal person jury rigs an external battery to a laptop, I'd be suspicious as well.

Fvcking terrorist
 

imported_goku

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LOL, I was thinking of something similar. I was going to bring my APC unit onto a plane and hook my laptop to it so that I could have longer battery life, maybe I should think twice?
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: goku2100
LOL, I was thinking of something similar. I was going to bring my APC unit onto a plane and hook my laptop to it so that I could have longer battery life, maybe I should think twice?

try thinking the first time
 

david46675

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
ouch. good for you, now you're on a terrorist watch list

i'm already on there, its no biggie, just can't do self check-in at the airport
 

TitanDiddly

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Originally posted by: cjgallen
IF this is true:

1. Get a better laptop.
2. You KNEW it was gonna cause problems, "I was pulled aside as expected," so why'd you even bring it? Read a book or something!
3. No normal person jury rigs an external battery to a laptop, I'd be suspicious as well.

Fvcking terrorist

I expect to be pulled aside at check-in because I'm carrying an unusual item. People carry unusual items all the time. However, just because it's unusual doesn't mean I'm going to use it to blow up the plane. The guy next to me was wearing purple tinted 'John Lennon' glasses. Pretty unusual, but the TSA didn't ground the plane because of him. My battery is about as threatening as his glasses.

Originally posted by: goku2100
LOL, I was thinking of something similar. I was going to bring my APC unit onto a plane and hook my laptop to it so that I could have longer battery life, maybe I should think twice?

You'll be fine. I mean, the Boston people didn't have a problem with mine- and it looked bad. A closed unit with a plug in the back won't have any sort of problems, but expect to be pulled aside at check-in, because the batteries inside are a solid image on X-ray machines. Tell them that the batteries inside are sealed gel-cells. The TSA handbook says they're allowed. And dont leave it in a bag with all your wires hanging out, on the floor in front of your seat while you grab a hamburger. <- Restrospect

However, the APC may not work- it expects to be grounded to earth(still plugged in), simply with no power through the prongs. It may not operate if not grounded- and sure as hell don't try to ground it to the airframe. They'll shoot you in the head if they see you trying to clip alligator clips onto bare metal. Try using it unplugged at home first- if it works, great. However, it still carries the risks of operating without a ground- if something goes awry in your power supply and it wants to dump excess current or a surge into the ground, it won't be there.
 

Injury

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THE HELL.

I MISSED MY CONNECTING FLIGHT HOME AND HAD TO SPEND THE NIGHT IN BOSTON BECAUSE OF YOU.

 

NoToRiOuS1

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Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Do you think there was an element of racial profiling?


lol c'mon sheepathon thats like asking do you think the KKK have some sort of a vandetta against blacks?

edit: btw i know the OP is a white guy by his name(ned funnel). but there IS racial profiling at the airport. there has not been a single time i haven't been pulled over and so has everyone who looked 'middle-eastern' (even if those people are indian or pakistani or anything else for that matter).
 

TitanDiddly

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Do you think there was an element of racial profiling?

IIRC, PhasmatisNox is a big white guy, so I wouldn't think so.

Correct, I'm about as white as it gets. Although I did have a slight tan from the mountains.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: faboloso112
Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Do you think there was an element of racial profiling?


lol c'mon sheepathon thats like asking do you think the KKK have some sort of a vandetta against blacks?

edit: btw i know the OP is a white guy by his name(ned funnel). but there IS racial profiling at the airport. there has not been a single time i haven't been pulled over and so has everyone who looked 'middle-eastern' (even if those people are indian or pakistani or anything else for that matter).

Uh...so this is more of a general gripe then, yes?

Because I'm still looking for the connection to his story
 

kranky

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It's a shame, but the reality of today's situation is that anything suspicious is going to be investigated like crazy. Nobody wants to be the person who lets something go and it turns out to be a bad decision.

I know you tried to make sure it wasn't going to be a problem, but the guy on the phone who tells you it's OK isn't the same person who is going to be standing there when you bring it to the airport.

Last trip I made I was told that I'm on a watch list because my name is similar (not identical) to someone they are looking for. So for the next who knows how many months I can't do online check-in, self-service check-in or check baggage at curbside.
 
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